boodecarlo
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Hmmmm good question.
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viking23
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I have been told that some top tier rehabs offer hrt/trt while in the facility. One of the dudes I know said that test made him mentally stronger and felt that he was able to stop easier as he just didn't crave as much. Granted he hasn't stop but he said straight up he has no interest in quitting . I am just curious if anyone has ever tried it.
However this guy seems like a total nut bag so I rather gear someone elses testimony
However this guy seems like a total nut bag so I rather gear someone elses testimony
Well this isn't exactly an answer to your question, but it is related. Long term opiate use will shut down your htpa as hard as any cycle. Most addicts are completely hypogonadal. Maybe that's why some clinics offer trt? That said, when most addicts come off, test production resumes almost immediately.
viking23
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Thanks for posting. I was just curious as I just saw this thread and remembered hearing about hrt and that facility.
A close friend is trying to get off subs and he does lift and he was thinking of doing his first cycle and I told him wait till he is clean but I just wanted to make sure I gave good advice. I also had gone through this awful ringer but he's facing a whole other beast with subs IMO.
A close friend is trying to get off subs and he does lift and he was thinking of doing his first cycle and I told him wait till he is clean but I just wanted to make sure I gave good advice. I also had gone through this awful ringer but he's facing a whole other beast with subs IMO.
nophat
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You should be clean before doing any other substence.
give you body a break and give it 6-9 months let shit get back to normal.
30 days you get clear headed and want everthing now.
up to 3 months you start to see things diff and feel good about yourself.
6-9 months you body has a chance to have a clear head,straiten prioritys out.
and your body thanks you for that.
most people who get short term sobriety and use another substence go back to square 1
give you body a break and give it 6-9 months let shit get back to normal.
30 days you get clear headed and want everthing now.
up to 3 months you start to see things diff and feel good about yourself.
6-9 months you body has a chance to have a clear head,straiten prioritys out.
and your body thanks you for that.
most people who get short term sobriety and use another substence go back to square 1
^^^amen
It's called substituting, and us alcoholics/addicts must be very careful not to do it. Personally I have 3 yrs sober but didn't start back on gear til this last year. I will say it's working out well for me, but I put in 2 yrs of just weightlifting and sobriety before I began running gear again. My suggestion is to have at least 1 yr clean time before running any gear. Also hit 12 step meetings if you think you have a problem. I did and it has changed my life. Best 3 yrs of my life and only getting better.
hammerfist2
Member
I am using prop along with other aids to kick Kratom...I think test is gonna help me beat it.
Already I am feeling the pump from prop and it gives me a bit of fuck you maeng da I am not your bitch attitude. Still weening from kratom and not at day 1 without it yet... thats 2 wks out still.
I highly recommend those of you who are new to kratom and dont respect it correctly to take my advice...
I have used many drugs over the yrs and kratom is the first one that caught my ass by surprise. It will hook you.
Dont use daily !!! Unless your using it for breaking pharmaceutical addiction or in withdrawal from them...
I keep posting my experience because it is real and I dont wish these feelings on anyone, especially my brothers from a community I am part of...
What starts out as a slight euphoric buzz will need higher doses quickly.
You will eventually need to dose to feel normal, no more buzzing or euphoria, just normal. That sucks !! BEWARE
Already I am feeling the pump from prop and it gives me a bit of fuck you maeng da I am not your bitch attitude. Still weening from kratom and not at day 1 without it yet... thats 2 wks out still.
I highly recommend those of you who are new to kratom and dont respect it correctly to take my advice...
I have used many drugs over the yrs and kratom is the first one that caught my ass by surprise. It will hook you.
Dont use daily !!! Unless your using it for breaking pharmaceutical addiction or in withdrawal from them...
I keep posting my experience because it is real and I dont wish these feelings on anyone, especially my brothers from a community I am part of...
What starts out as a slight euphoric buzz will need higher doses quickly.
You will eventually need to dose to feel normal, no more buzzing or euphoria, just normal. That sucks !! BEWARE
How many grams are u taking a day now?
I think its more of the physical withdraw you have to worry about.
hammerfist2
Member
Good question. .. I dont actually know the dosage but go by this teaspoon I use. I did 6 full teaspoons daily. Now im down to 3 per day.
It definitely is physical for the first few days. Rls, flu-ish, body aches but also anxiety, depression, insomnia, confusion, you name it. I have a bit of all that just from cutting down. Its just too easy to say fuck it and dose again and make it all go away. Thats what makes it such a fucker to stop.
What makes it worse for me is I already am dealing with other mental issues from military so this just exasperates the whole ordeal. I feel like I am on tren minus the awesomeness of it..lol
It definitely is physical for the first few days. Rls, flu-ish, body aches but also anxiety, depression, insomnia, confusion, you name it. I have a bit of all that just from cutting down. Its just too easy to say fuck it and dose again and make it all go away. Thats what makes it such a fucker to stop.
What makes it worse for me is I already am dealing with other mental issues from military so this just exasperates the whole ordeal. I feel like I am on tren minus the awesomeness of it..lol
I know what u mean when u got ounces sitting there and the easiness of just placing an order online makes it that much harder.
But your taking the right step by tapering and if u need some support, Google quit kratom on reddit. It's a special section of forum on kratom where people is sharing their story on quitting or in the process of quitting kratom. It'll give u some motivation. That's what I'm doing now, I used to take 6 tablespoon a day, now down to 3. It's gonna take some hard fighting but you'll get there. Good luck on that
But your taking the right step by tapering and if u need some support, Google quit kratom on reddit. It's a special section of forum on kratom where people is sharing their story on quitting or in the process of quitting kratom. It'll give u some motivation. That's what I'm doing now, I used to take 6 tablespoon a day, now down to 3. It's gonna take some hard fighting but you'll get there. Good luck on that
hammerfist2
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Thanks for info @sable. Yeah I have been doing some reading through the different forums. I keep looking for the easiest way to get off kratom but realize I will just have to jump once dosing is a bit lower.
The plan is to get down to single dose in evening and ride that for a week before doing the final step. Sleep is the most difficult part. I can push through the days but man the nights...ugh not ready for that one. Kava seems to help though.
Curious, are you trying to get off it completely or just manage it with less amounts ? I want off completely. ...
The plan is to get down to single dose in evening and ride that for a week before doing the final step. Sleep is the most difficult part. I can push through the days but man the nights...ugh not ready for that one. Kava seems to help though.
Curious, are you trying to get off it completely or just manage it with less amounts ? I want off completely. ...
To be quite frank, I'm having a hard time as well. I don't think there's a in between with Kratom. Either u stop completely or ur in knee deep.
I would be lying to myself thinking I can just cut it down and do it sparingly.
Its just not possible. Shit is sitting there... and once I feel any uneasiness I'm gonna take a heap spoonful of it. Unlike people that never took it to get off synthetic opiates...they can get away taking it recreationally. We cant ...or at least I can't. So yeah why waste hard work and do half stepping instead of just stop completely and just get the monkey off our back once and for all. Imo..
I would be lying to myself thinking I can just cut it down and do it sparingly.
Its just not possible. Shit is sitting there... and once I feel any uneasiness I'm gonna take a heap spoonful of it. Unlike people that never took it to get off synthetic opiates...they can get away taking it recreationally. We cant ...or at least I can't. So yeah why waste hard work and do half stepping instead of just stop completely and just get the monkey off our back once and for all. Imo..
ThatLittleMonster
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What you're referring to is called PAWS, and while HRT for those suffering isn't very well researched or accepted at the moment, it has shown promise for a few. Long term opiate abuse effects many different internal systems, and we're just now learning about how things like hormone replacement and vitamin deficiencies play a role in potential recovery.
This is generally good advice for most, but there are many people who have used kratom for a long time that haven't had issues with increased doses, extracts (which can cause very real and severe addictions for some), or other problems commonly associated with addictions. Kratom has pretty unique chemistry, and tends to be loaded with both opiate receptor agonists and antagonists. This means that for most people, escalating doses will result in severe nausea and general malaise well before the doses can get too big. This of course varies by the person, strain, any extracts used (extracts are often mostly just agonists, hence why they can lead to addiction and other problems much faster than plain leaf), and many more variables.
That thread on PM and that douchebag fuckstick selling it over there pissed me right the fuck off. My first interaction with kratom was over 10 years ago. I have known many people over the years who have used kartom either to help kick opiate addiction, or were able to take care of things like post-surgical pain or even chronic pain using kratom, and not having to risk getting addicted to pain pills again just because life took a sudden shit on a recovering addict. The headshops selling this to kids put all of those people in danger. This circulating on bodybuilding boards puts all of those people at risk. This material has been around for a long time, and it's only stayed as legal as it has for so long by people in the know keeping relatively quiet and playing it close to their chest.
And to any recovering addict who is thinking about trying kratom, be very careful. Most of the people I've known over the years who became addicted to kratom were recovering addicts of heavier opiates first. People who use kratom as their first opiate can still get addicted, of course, but it does seem like it's far more common for it to be an addicts' accidental stepping stone back to their former drug of choice.
hammerfist2
Member
Update: I am finally kratom free. Still feel like shit in waves throughout the day and the days seem to be so fucking long. Anyways its been 1 week and I did not taper down but just jumped. Tapering doesnt work for me. I just kept saying fuck it and re dosing again because hell I was feeling pretty good so why not just a bit more.
Anyways, as much as I would like to do it again occasionally Ive been told never to return or Ill relapse for sure. So thats enough to keep it far from me now. Fuck that !!! These withdrawals were no cakewalk. I think because I have other mental issues it just blew them up 1000%
So ill just say again to any brothers who are thinking about it or just started to make sure its not a daily dose because it sneaks up quickly to my stupid $150 wk habit. Not too bad compared to other things but fuck who wants a $150 albatross and then possibly face some serious withdrawals?
Anyways, as much as I would like to do it again occasionally Ive been told never to return or Ill relapse for sure. So thats enough to keep it far from me now. Fuck that !!! These withdrawals were no cakewalk. I think because I have other mental issues it just blew them up 1000%
So ill just say again to any brothers who are thinking about it or just started to make sure its not a daily dose because it sneaks up quickly to my stupid $150 wk habit. Not too bad compared to other things but fuck who wants a $150 albatross and then possibly face some serious withdrawals?
MANWHORE
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I use it sometimes but I get it free..
I have not touched an illegal drug since 2010..
I have not drank even a sip of beer since 2012..
Caffeine makes my friend want to use blues
Kratom makes him want to use Blues..
Water makes him want to use Blues..
Some people will use any excuse to use Blues lol
Kratom is like a Caffeine, Tren, Mast stack
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I have not touched an illegal drug since 2010..
I have not drank even a sip of beer since 2012..
Caffeine makes my friend want to use blues
Kratom makes him want to use Blues..
Water makes him want to use Blues..
Some people will use any excuse to use Blues lol
Kratom is like a Caffeine, Tren, Mast stack
M
MANWHORE
Subscriber
Kratom cost $3 a gram for the extract
and $40 a Kilo for regular..
3 grams of extract is a nice energy high
but not like Dope.. It's more like a cleaner Methadone high..
It cost as much as a bag of Dope.. 3 grams $9... but you
will be able to get out of bed without puking the next day with Kratom..
Addicts probably should not fuck with it
unless they are trying to get off Opiates, which it's great for..
M
and $40 a Kilo for regular..
3 grams of extract is a nice energy high
but not like Dope.. It's more like a cleaner Methadone high..
It cost as much as a bag of Dope.. 3 grams $9... but you
will be able to get out of bed without puking the next day with Kratom..
Addicts probably should not fuck with it
unless they are trying to get off Opiates, which it's great for..
M
hotdog23
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No offense man but I say this too help. ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD.
I shot heroin and oxy/roxi/ms contin/opana and meth for three years. Been drug free for awhile. Got on kratom for about 2 months ED and came off expecting withdrawals AND nothing. Trust me I am an experienced opiate user and I mean nothing. These post acute withdrawal symptoms are psychosomatic, your brain is telling your body to feel them but they are not really there.
Keep up what you are doing. Soon you will feel fine. Best of luck. It will only get better each day
