In the beginning I started with the Norma's and after a few weeks I switched to his line. I ran the pharmacom tbol for about 5 weeks and while on the test and tbol I went from 176 lbs to 195. I have been on the Norma's for the last three weeks, my gains have definitely slowed substantially as I've only climbed to 200lbs since then (thank god, so many people were asking me if I was on steroids, I told them I was on a legal pro-hormone) but my strength keeps climbing which is what I'm after. I can't say I've noticed a ton between the two lines other than the Norma's seem to make my body run hot.