Candyskull
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Yeah, that was totally wrong on my part. Apologies.
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LABS toward end of Torem PCT, help!!
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Yeah, that was totally wrong on my part. Apologies.
overhandright
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I'm using torem for pct now also. It's been 2 weeks and I haven't lost any weight. But I'm really happy with my pct because I have gained a little strength and lost a little body fat. Very little on both but i'll take what I can get because I have always lost a lot on pct. I've been using torem at 100mg (50 am/ 50 pm) and 50mg GW501516 every am. Libido is low but sleep and focus in the gym are still good. Bloods at the end of pct will be the final judge.
Jimmyinkedup
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While we are at it lets add this gem to your totally wrong on your part list:
Yet still when I pointed out via pm to you that just 20mgs of tamoxifen increases serum T levels 142% in 10 days and that it takes 150mgs of clomid to accomplish the same increase (Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen... [Fertil Steril. 1978] - PubMed - NCBI) you STILL had to try to argue and justify why the misinformation you posted was in fact correct. Sometimes if you don't know something - you should just not post it instead of making up rash inaccurate generalizations or regurgitating some stuff you read somewhere and taking it as fact when the reality is you just dont know. Stop acting like you understand serms and how they work and which work best for what, when it is in fact obvious you dont. I dont know it all, but I know what I know,and thats what I post. You dont know much at all, but try to post like you do. Thats dangerous - not helpful. Now stop sending me passive/ aggressive PM's and stop giving advice on things where you obviously are not qualified to do so. For the good of the board and everyone that might be unfortunate enough to read your posts and believe them.
Candyskull
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No problem.
No worries brotha.
Suistyle13
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So does this basically mean that the Research Co. in question is not gtg or could it be that this specific batch isn't dosed properly?? Just wondering as I'm close to starting PCT and I have their stane, torem, and nolva which if that's the case I'm going to have to get something asap. Thanks
raysugar1234
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There is no way to know for sure... I wonder if the bottles themselves can be tested, anyone know? I'm sitting on some too bro so don't feel bad....
johnnyBALLZ
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It's my understanding that ralox and torem are more expensive compounds than clomid and nolva.... As I said, I had a good experience with their clomid and nolva.
UGL's are infamous for making the more expensive products bunk or underdosed, why would it be any different for chems?
If there's anything to this theory it doesn't bode well for your stane..
Suistyle13
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Damn, I've always had a good experience with their products. Thanks for the replies, I better just get some from somewhere else just in case...only thing is I've only used 2 other places and their stuff sucked. I remember seeing an RC company post awhile back and there were a few vets who were gonna run them. Time to go searching.
Jimmyinkedup
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Johnny I use their stane- clomid -nolva and prami regularly. Pretty much standards on all my cycles (except no prami when i dont run 19 nors- which is rare cause I always run deca) and have never had an issue. The only thing with the stane is that you have to shake it every time you use it as it seems its a suspension not a solution.
raysugar1234
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Well it def seems like the only complaints thus far have been the torem.... So hopefully that's the only bad product... Of course that's still pretty damn crappy....
raysugar1234
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That def sucks cuz They were who I was using as well.... Krazy when your totally confident in a source and they prove you wrong... I'm never recommending anywhere ever again to anyone... Selective scamming is far too common in this game......
Honestly I think their Clomid is way underdosed, I am running 100mg ED with no emotional sides (that I usually get). Iron Dragon's Clomid did more at 50mg ED.I started running Nolva at 20mg ED with 100mg ED Clomid, since I seriously believe the Clomid is underdosed. I believe the Adex is underdosed or maybe even bunk, and someone else I know who has been using their adex has said the same. I am probably never going to use them again and I would recommend people avoid them. Only thing I might have got that was legit from them is the Nolvadex.
MKnight
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I'm two weeks past my PCT with CEM. Used Clomid and Nolva...50mg of their Clomid was brutal. Used their Stane on cycle to control gyno flare ups and Cialis during PCT. All seemed legit.
raysugar1234
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But it's not for human consumption.... I'm not taking any chances with them from now on I know that much.... I've heard enough....
Jimmyinkedup
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Odd dosing cems clomid at 100mgs.
I dont dose it that way. Ive used them for year with great success and successful blood work to prove it. I dont think they are "selective scammers" I do think they are human. The fact is they are the biggest rc company around. If they were scamming selling all bogus torem it would be EVERYWHERE, and it isnt. Are they human and is their possibly a batch issue occasionally or a couple bottles got stored wrong or fucked up. Yeah I could see that but selective scammers? No way man they are the biggest, oldest rc company in the game. They outsell prob all other rc companies combined. There would be an uproar. I also think it weird that one person points out an issue then the bandwagon jumpers come on board, many with other names of rc companies the use that are gtg. Hmmmm ironic how that works. Yet not one of them ever posted about their own problem with cem. Look I think johnny is straight up, in fact I know he is a good guy and I trust him, but I think there is much BS in this thread (even excluding the obvious ignorance and lack of knowledge displayed by candyskull). I always take these treads with a grain of salt, so many shills with hidden agendas etc. Its like the one opportunity people have to jump on CEM cause they never fuck up so every competitor in the word has their nuthuggeers and shills all over these types of threads. Im sorry Johnny had an issue , man it blows, but so far cem has done right by me for years and I have a list of RC companies that didnt man. Really fucking didnt, so until I experience otherwise im sticking with them and what I have used from them that has worked for me for years. I use their stane,tamox and clom every cycle, Prami damn near every cycle and I used to use their dex all the time before I switched to stane. Never a single issue. Always consistent blood work showing very effective chems. Until that changes for me personally Im not changing anything. F tht ffinding a good rc company it took me years to find a good one-CEM, and they havent fucked me yet. Fucking MP stane got me gyno when I tired to save a few buck and use their grabage. Purity Shitlutions sold me shit for clen and t3. Extreme sucks, Purchase changes their fing names every 3 months or so - shady as hell and they buy their shit in gallon jugs and just rebottles it. The owner there outright said yeah we get a bad jug sometimes , so what it happens. Phil Hernon outright was proven by mass spetrometry at PM to be selling bunk shit and when asked if he was gonna stop selling it he said no way. What a joke. No fucking way im playing that game until im forced too.
I dont dose it that way. Ive used them for year with great success and successful blood work to prove it. I dont think they are "selective scammers" I do think they are human. The fact is they are the biggest rc company around. If they were scamming selling all bogus torem it would be EVERYWHERE, and it isnt. Are they human and is their possibly a batch issue occasionally or a couple bottles got stored wrong or fucked up. Yeah I could see that but selective scammers? No way man they are the biggest, oldest rc company in the game. They outsell prob all other rc companies combined. There would be an uproar. I also think it weird that one person points out an issue then the bandwagon jumpers come on board, many with other names of rc companies the use that are gtg. Hmmmm ironic how that works. Yet not one of them ever posted about their own problem with cem. Look I think johnny is straight up, in fact I know he is a good guy and I trust him, but I think there is much BS in this thread (even excluding the obvious ignorance and lack of knowledge displayed by candyskull). I always take these treads with a grain of salt, so many shills with hidden agendas etc. Its like the one opportunity people have to jump on CEM cause they never fuck up so every competitor in the word has their nuthuggeers and shills all over these types of threads. Im sorry Johnny had an issue , man it blows, but so far cem has done right by me for years and I have a list of RC companies that didnt man. Really fucking didnt, so until I experience otherwise im sticking with them and what I have used from them that has worked for me for years. I use their stane,tamox and clom every cycle, Prami damn near every cycle and I used to use their dex all the time before I switched to stane. Never a single issue. Always consistent blood work showing very effective chems. Until that changes for me personally Im not changing anything. F tht ffinding a good rc company it took me years to find a good one-CEM, and they havent fucked me yet. Fucking MP stane got me gyno when I tired to save a few buck and use their grabage. Purity Shitlutions sold me shit for clen and t3. Extreme sucks, Purchase changes their fing names every 3 months or so - shady as hell and they buy their shit in gallon jugs and just rebottles it. The owner there outright said yeah we get a bad jug sometimes , so what it happens. Phil Hernon outright was proven by mass spetrometry at PM to be selling bunk shit and when asked if he was gonna stop selling it he said no way. What a joke. No fucking way im playing that game until im forced too.
Odd dosing CEMs Clomid at 100mg? I guess I should have said 105 mg (3mL). I know their Adex is shit and did not control my Estradiol levels even when I bumped up the dose. I usually don't run an AI unless I have too. In this case I was running Test about 200mg higher a week and had estrogen related sides and still had them despite running their Adex. The shit had blue flakes floating at the top and settling at the bottom and does not mix with shaking or running under hot water. Their Clomid is suspect as I have ran other research Clomid and got the same side effects at 105mg of CEMS Clomid at 50mg of another companies. This would lead me to believe that their Clomid is underdosed or the other companies Clomid is overdosed. The only thing I can say that may be decent is their Nolvadex. But then again I have only ever ran their Nolvadex. Their Clomid seemed so weak that I ended up throwing in 20mg of Nolvadex ED with it.
There has been complaints about CEMs research chems in the past (Liquidex seems like the biggest loser):
CEM products Liquidex concern
CEM Liquidex, I'm done with research chems
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134293935
cemproducts.com reviews. Is cemproducts.com scam, fake or legit steroid source?
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Jimmyinkedup
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You found 4 threads on the largest RC company there is. 4 threads. Like I said I can see a batch prob or an odd bottle here and there, it can def happen, but consistently undersdosed or consistantly bunk and selective scammers....bullshit. Millard is the most plugged in guy in this entire subculture. Do you really think he would have a selective scammer or shitty source as the main sponsor of his board knowing all the inside information he knows? Lets be for real.
