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Lantus insulin protocol? Advice?
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AlexDavis43
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Glycogen stores are easily replenished either way. You don't need to inject insulin for that.
dick_starbuck
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I used lantus this past off season for the first time. I think I got some benefit from it, but it definitely wasn't needed. I'm not "advanced" enough to need it, but I did want to try it out. That being said I am very dialed in and meticulous with my diet and training etc.
I used it 1iu of lantus per 20g of carbs for the day, taken one shot in the morning before my first meal. Only on my training days which are all higher carb, with only trace fats all day. My non training days were basically RFL days, all protein with minimal carbs and fats. This kept me insulin sensitive and pretty lean.
I added some good lean tissue and didn't gain any bodyfat more so than I would have otherwise. I actually stayed pretty lean the whole time while growing. Overall it was a positive experience. Bloodwork showed no insulin resistance or higher A1C etc. I'd do it again most likely.
I used it 1iu of lantus per 20g of carbs for the day, taken one shot in the morning before my first meal. Only on my training days which are all higher carb, with only trace fats all day. My non training days were basically RFL days, all protein with minimal carbs and fats. This kept me insulin sensitive and pretty lean.
I added some good lean tissue and didn't gain any bodyfat more so than I would have otherwise. I actually stayed pretty lean the whole time while growing. Overall it was a positive experience. Bloodwork showed no insulin resistance or higher A1C etc. I'd do it again most likely.
Cereal masturbator
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I’m not mate no, I just like using it on occasion to see how big I can get haha
DugPrime
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It's not a waste, it remains anabolic as fuck.
Theunknown
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But aren’t the roids keeping you anabolic? It seems people use it to push their weight beyond what they normally can. Is that the main reason? I get that it allows higher nutrient uptake and basically shuttling everything to the muscles so I guess using on off days would be to provide your muscles with the most idealistic environment to recover in (assuming nutrition is already locked down), right?
I’m not anywhere near a point I’d consider it (225, 5’9, 28) and plus I do powerlifting so need to stay in weight class, just interesting outside of the normal. I’m still reading about it.
AlexDavis43
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Lotta bodybuilders here trying to pack on muscle.
TRT
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You would think so but no.
DugPrime
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Calories in/out is what matters, you won't gain more fat because you eat fat, but because your surplus is too high. This is another very widespread myth about insulin usage in bodybuilding.
Cereal masturbator
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I don’t think that’s why he’s limiting fats mate, they slow down the absorption of carbs and increases insulin resistance, not a calorie issue as I’m assuming if he’s taking slin it’s to gain size anyway not restrict calories
Palifter
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Im not sure how to respond to this because I never claimed otherwise lol
DugPrime
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Alright, my bad. I thought that you were referring to the "eating fat on insulin will make you fat" myth.
Sure, but wouldn't having fats during the insulin use window make it more likely that said fats would be readily stored as body fat?
But then again I know who worked with John meadows say that he used to add fats to their pre and post, something like 10g.
DugPrime
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No, this is actually the myth I was talking about. Your body already secretes hundreds of units of insulin a day, but that doesn’t mean eating fat will make you fat. Exogenous insulin works like endogenous insulin, so no, it won’t make you fat. What makes you fat is purely the calories. Sometimes, I eat very fatty cheat meals and use insulin—it doesn’t make me fatter; in fact, it’s the opposite. I use more energy for carbs and gain more muscle, which leads to less energy being stored as fat.
I'm not arguing against this point, as I am of the same opinion. That said, doesn't exogenous insulin has a much stronger binding affinity than that of endogenous insulin? Hence why it causes a much greater IGF-1 response; something like x5 stronger for humalog.
AlwaysHungry
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Lantus was always what I’ve used , I haven’t seen any BG problems I was hesitant to try it at first because of this but ime experience is bullshit science support it’s bullshit too. It’s generally very safe and effective I haven’t gone overboard with it 30-60iu with 600-800g carbs along with GH 8iu , personally I have a fast metabolism so on gear plus good GH I can’t add fat even if you payed me to.
Of course I cannot eat so much carbs and protein without fat my fat intake is anywhere from 100-180g fats I would say with insulin and my standard diet I didn’t get more fat I just got more full however when I was “cheating” I could clearly see some bloat and maybe some minuscule amount of bf increase, but as long as I stopped the Insulin and switch to cut protocol it would vanish in no time. Lantus is best for amateurs
Of course I cannot eat so much carbs and protein without fat my fat intake is anywhere from 100-180g fats I would say with insulin and my standard diet I didn’t get more fat I just got more full however when I was “cheating” I could clearly see some bloat and maybe some minuscule amount of bf increase, but as long as I stopped the Insulin and switch to cut protocol it would vanish in no time. Lantus is best for amateurs
NightBeast666
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The use of insulin just to get huge has ruined many great physiques in the past.
Use it to give your pancreas a much deserved rest on your workout days during a bulk and 10 years down the line, you'd have better insulin sensitivity than those that never "felt" they had a need to use it. It's a known fact that Type-2 diabetes is a slowly progressing disease, sometimes taking as long as 10-15 years before the symptoms are evident.
From that perspective, it's very much healthy to incorporate insulin use (alongwith metformin, berberine, cardio and sauna 2x a week), tailored to your carbs intake and A1CT levels, whether or not you use steroids.
Insulin sensitivity management in my opinion should be as much promoted as cardio is. Alas the medical community doesn't, cause hey, there's great amount of money to be made if you get diabetes.
Lantus is pretty safe to use, no doubt about it. I've used it personally and have got pretty good results everytime I used it.
A non diabetic's body can shuttle 10 grams of carbs per 1 IU of insulin. Based on that, here's the equation you'd need to gauge how much your doses should be. Again, this is from the perspective of improving A1CT levels, not just getting as much anabolism as possible-
Total daily carbs (in grams)/10/2. So if you're consuling 600 grams of carbs, you'd need 600/10/2 = 30 IUs of exogenous insulin. This way, you are reducing 50% of your pancreatic load.
Lantus's effects wears off at around 18 hours. So, pin 2x a day, 15 IUs each, with one being before lunch and the other being before bed.
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