Hey man I tried. I am just trying to help you. As a competitor myself and as someone who has prepped other people I have seen this first hand. I also have many friends who are competitors and pro-level competitors who all say the same on this subject.
If you really doubt me that is fine I would suggest you conduct your own experiment. What I mean by that is changed absolutely nothing other than the growth hormone and your cardio. Do the same amount of cardio and growth hormone but do them both fasted and see if you notice a difference
I don't doubt you, but the question is HOW advantageous it is? Is it GAME-CHANING? Probably not.
I also just re-read TypeIIx's entire thread before coming back to this one: his logic, supported by data, makes even more sense, as PEAK GH levels correlate directly with peak lipolysis. So even if you did fasted cardio in the am, say 30 mins after your shot, your GH levels aren't peaked yet, and aren't even getting the MAX fat mobilization you could. The only way you could in fasted state, is remain fasted for hours until that happened. This goes against my schedule completely. And in his thread, he states how eating does not blunt or effect the peak dose of GH, and his protocol also helps mitigate insulin resistance.
Also, we know that it doesn't even matter when you do cardio, whether fed or not; at the end of the day, we lose fat. Someone using GH fasted in the am, will lose the same fat as someone on GH later on, so long as they are both in the same deficit. So unless GH violates the second law of thermodynamics, there must be another explanation for this approach, and it is probably a placebo effect, because again, at the end of the day the same amount of fat at will be lost.
Essentially, the idea of fasted cardio being superior, along with GH must be taken in separate dosages, has pretty much been debunked. The data used to make these claims is outdated by decades, as you'll see in TypeIIx's post. In other words, a lot of this is broscience; it doesnt' mean it won't work, but it does mean it isn't the ONLY way, or is the superior way something works.
Anyway, the entire point of my thread is: Is GH even WORHT IT at all? Is it a 1%-5% improvement? Is that "difference" worth hundreds/thousands a year (depending on kits), especially for those of us (me) who aren't competing and do this for a hobby?
One thing GH seems to do is prevent lipogensis, so in a surplus that can keep fat from being stored; but is it needed for a cut? I've seen more improvements from the var I just added 20 days ago, along with my new deficit of course, than being on GH fear nearly 7 months straight. I can say, no matter how I ate, GH has not allowed me to gain NEW fat, so I can attest to it preventing lipogenesis...but to speed up fat faster than clen/t3 combo, with a deficit (I'm not even doing much cardio anymore), I don't think it matters when it is taken.
I also saw in Type's post, that I asked him and actually switched to his protocol, where I have noticed a bit of a difference, mostly with pumps in the gym, sweating more as well; but then again, how can I possibly know if I'm on 5 compounds in addition lol.
So yea, the only thing I could do is drop the GH to 2ius, do fasted cardio, but the problem is, I'm in a new deficit now, and I could see changes just from that, thinking it's the GH.
I think guys make this mistake over and over; they start taking GH and say "OMG it made me fuller" while also being on Drol, Deca, and Test lol.
I guess I just need to get off the GH for a month and see if it matters at all.
Agree with your point about it doesn't matter when you take the GH just get it in your system.
Top IFBB pro Iain Valliere even mentioned on a podcast regarding the confusion about eating vs waiting when administering exogenous GH. The difference is negligible
Speaking of Iain, he is on record saying you don't even need GH at all; that it's not magic and not this crazy thing that will change your body, perhaps a slight smaller advantage when you're at a level that such % edge is needed.
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