I like this Mike, your posts here have been informative and nice to read.
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I disagree weight does matter. But it has to be with good form and controlled. No we aren’t weightlifters per se but weight lifting is what allows us to build bigger muscles. The more weight you can move correctly the bigger your muscle will be.
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Absolutely weight matters.
I feel like form, ROM and mind-muscle connection matter more, but being able to do bent over rows 315 x 10 is going to be more effective than 225 x 10, all other factors being the same.
I’d say when done correctly weight matters most. When done correctly progressive overload is the way to grow a muscle. If form, mmc, and range of motion are bad then you’re not doing the movement. It doesn’t have to be perfect though.
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View: https://youtu.be/XWuZho21q_c
Dont wanna share my opinion because i m not developed at a level i could speak on this topic… I just wanted to share this vid of Rich Piana because i like it a lot.. he was humble and legit..
And remember once Milos Sarcev wrote on one instagram post that he showed to his clients that they could get legs fucked just with their bodyweight (more or less) in the unloaded hack squat, just focusing on mechanical tension without any kind of rest at bottom or high end..
Rich didn’t build his physique lifting light weights, he was also drugged to the core filled with pmma and god knows what else.
You can fatigue someone’s chest and make them feel pain with pink dumbbells but no you cannot build a big physique with it.
Is your goal to feel sore and destroy your cns or build muscle?
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Youd be wrong at least from.my experience. I can row 405x6-8 on any given day and trust me I have- not just dozens of times either. Over the years I have gotten extremely good at rowing and right now my working weight on overhand rows is 315x10-12 reps. I can go heavier, but I lose something in the process. My back is easily its biggest ever right now. I can.do whatever I want at this point and I am getting the most out of slightly less weight but I get better contractions and i have control on the negative that I lose going heavier.
Back training is incredibly complex if you want to get.it right. Unlike other bodyparts which you can almost force to grow if you are training back too heavy other muscles will rob your back of their workload and you might not even notice. On top of that ROM is critical. Train your back too heavy gives you pancake back syndrome like nasser and hassan mostafa. Yeah, you are moving lots of weight, but getting shit out of it.
Phil Heath actually has really good input on the subject. So does Nick Walker.
Look at the weight Nick Walker uses. Nick Walker is a failure training progressive overload guy. and Phil Heath is genetic freak but he’s not lifting light he also hasn’t gotten bigger year to year.
weights don’t matter? Okay. So why not just stick with little pink dumbbells? Let’s see the progress of your back over time using the same weights at the same reps. Hassan’s back shape and structure is genetic.
I said as long as everything done correctly weight absolutely matters
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Yes, but adding weight isn’t the only way to accomplish progressive overload. Adding reps or additional sets, altering the tempo of reps etc. are forms of progressive overload, as well. You essentially just need to increase the stimulus on the muscle over time.
I don’t disagree that weight does matter, that would be a silly argument, but there are other ways to progress outside of just adding weight to the bar. Going to failure, band work and beyond failure techniques are good examples as well.
You’re absolutely correct. With all of those the muscle is getting stronger. Eventually though you’re going to have to add weight otherwise we could all just get massive using cans of soup
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what do you think on the part that starts at 1:55? Would like to hear your opinion on it,
i m still unable to train so i didnt try it yet but its promising… i tried the partial first part of the movement with big weight for lot of reps as suggested by Meadows, but didnt try the second half of the lateral raise like Jeff does in this vid
View: https://youtu.be/YFLqFjY3Q5Y
Opinions please @NLM36 and whoever wanna share his thoughts
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dont think anyone said to use the same light weights, obv you re meant to increase weight as you re stronger…. And obv using light weights babe to properly isolate target muscle doesnt imply that you couldnt add techniques like cheating and so on
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I like it. I do a lot of pauses and slow reps.
Could you imagine how big your delts would be if you did that for 15-20 reps but worked up to 30-40lbs over time?
I do 3 second negatives a pause in the middle and 2 seconds contraction on all exercises.
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i made a mistake, i mean that you could using light weights to isolate and then even adding cheating and other techniques, but isolating muscle with proper weight think its fundmental , for someone at least
You definitely want to isolate the muscle as much as possible. There’s a difference in how a bodybuilder should bench press, squat, etc vs a power lifter. It always bugs me when people use powerlifters with smaller chests who bench big weights as an example of weight doesn’t matter. It’s comparing apples to oranges.
Master the weight before you add more. Lift it properly, but at some point in order to kept growing you’re going to have to get stronger. My goal is to over time be able to get as strong as possible on all of my movements.
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So the part about training lighter coincides with what I do i am not crazy about the first part. In fact that is basically how modern bodybuilders train.
For side laterals Doing them standing is good so long as you stay light and watch out for pain. I run the rack when I do them so if you watch Ronnie Colemans video i copy that but with sissy weights in comparison. I might get 20 with 15s 12 with 25s 10 with 35s 8 with 40s and repeat once. I take no breaks between sets or anything its one after the other after the other repeat. It hurts like a motherfucker.
Noteworthy alternative seated side laterals for triple weight drop on last set. I get most growth from that but its more taxing on my cns by far due to going heavier I think. On my heaviest I can hit 50s or.60s depending.on the day. Watch dorians video to see the form I use. You have to lean slightly forward.
I always get shoulder joint pain doing standing laterals yet curiously im fine doing them seated.
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By the way jeff cavaliere hey hes cool has good ideas. But as far as who should you really listen to Meadows all the fucking way.
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Watched hundreds of his videos… i found Jeff being more detailed on certain things and John in others… but neither of them has spoken about reaching failure in the negative too, like Dorian Yates loves to say… i m waiting to being re able to try my new updated wo plan,
