Theworm
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Have to stay legal or I lose my job etc if any legal issues.
But having access to scripted anavar, anadrol, winny, year and deca is pretty nice selection
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But having access to scripted anavar, anadrol, winny, year and deca is pretty nice selection
So deca is bad?
So deca is bad?
Yah the new fad is to avoid nandrolone lol
Studies do show that nandrolone is not very heart friendly, but the studies are on mice given HUGE doses just like the studies with Cardarine on mice show it causes cancer, but on 100x the amount a human would normally take.
If i took 10-20x the recommended amount of caffeine I'd probably have a heart attack.
Theworm
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The problem is it’s basically one study and it’s done on mice etc.. but one issue I found with the study was the vascular endothelial was damaged 11x more than I believe a comparable dose of testosterone.Yah the new fad is to avoid nandrolone lol
Studies do show that nandrolone is not very heart friendly, but the studies are on mice given HUGE doses just like the studies with Cardarine on mice show it causes cancer, but on 100x the amount a human would normally take.
If i took 10-20x the recommended amount of caffeine I'd probably have a heart attack.
So that study has me a little nervous but more so is the many studies showing altering dopamine and serotonin etc in the brain. I ran deca once a long time ago and it was the first and only time I felt depressed, like severely depressed and I never want to go to that place again.
I usually ran deca cause it’s easy on the hair but I’ve been using for 20 years now and at age 42 only show mild hair loss I think I’m good. I think going forward I’ll just cruise on test and blast on test and maybe add in some prop and oxandrolone etc
I'm a little older and I'm pretty much just going to stick to test/primo/var/tbol/dbol for the rest of my days.
All Nats McGee
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In the studies the nandrolone was being used without any test. We know nandrolone doesn’t covert to E2 only E1, which doesn’t do anything. So nandrolone by itself is very cardio toxic because there’s no E2. Add some test and I bet these studies would have shown different.
Harley00
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How exactly will a clinic no your using primo aside form the higher free test, does anyone know excatly how high primo will rasie free test.
Is this something you can hide slightly, by stopping primo 1.5 weeks before blood work to just drop the free down a bjt , then hit back on it after bloods, should drop the free in 1.5 weeks enough to not be detected.
Is this something you can hide slightly, by stopping primo 1.5 weeks before blood work to just drop the free down a bjt , then hit back on it after bloods, should drop the free in 1.5 weeks enough to not be detected.
Theworm
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Why is the conclusion of the studies is that nandrolone is 11x more toxic to vascular endothelial than testosterone? I thought they also looked at test solo as well... I could be wrong
Theworm
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That’s not the issue, I have to obtain my stuff legally.
Harley00
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Why? They cannot trace ugl labs oils. They will not no the difference. Unless your labs show outrageous numbers.
If so please add, as i also use a private health care and get tested for everything. Amd i use ugl as well to stock up, and i get tested every 2.5 months.
All Nats McGee
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I think the endothelial cells are modulated by estrogen levels. More plates more dates talked about this awhile ago. He did a good in detail video on it. I would just watch that.
shackleford
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why not blast more test?
Theworm
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Exactly the plan!
Just not sure blast with prop x 6-8 weeks at 150 eod vs a longer blast of test 500 x 10-12 weeks. I like the idea of shorter time under the curve (being on less) but I think @MuscleFreak is right muscle needs time to grow and do longer.
Or maybe just do 300 test year round, which is almost safe total amount of mg over a year and trt plus 2 blasts of test 500 x 12 weeks....
Thoughts?
Test_Subject
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“Bad”? No. It has its place and I feel like you can use it responsibly. More damaging than many other AAS? Absolutely.So deca is bad?
That’s why I said that it wasn’t a very healthy option. I mean, no AAS is healthy at supraphysiological levels, but it’s a sliding scale.
shackleford
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I just re-read back through your thread and youve received advice from some guys that are ALOT smarter than me when it comes to cycle protocols. My opinion, I dont think you should run high dose year round, the body needs a break. In response to your original question, i think test is your safest option. I would continue to run the trt dose like normal, and add more or less as desired.
Haha...my doctor is pretty cool. I started on doctored prescribed trt a little bit over a year ago. They had me on the testopel pellets and then when I went to get more, they were having a national or worldwide shortage. So doc and I decided on me giving myself weekly shots. Problem was, my test levels came back just a couple points over 300 so my insurance didn't want to cover my new test prescription. So I waited a couple months and went back. My number was down around 280 but the cocksucking lab moved the goal line on me. The new low level in order for insurance to cover my script was something like 168. Like are you shitting me? So I got fed up and ordered some ug test. I saw my doc maybe 3 weeks after I started my trt, explained to him I was sick of the insurance fucking me around and I started my own shit. He initially had wanted me to start at 100mg a week but I had already started at 150. We talked and I told him I'll lower it if my markers aren't looking good and he was fine with it. He was a bit weird about the ug test but he felt better when I told him it was 3rd party tested. I'm about to pull my bloods on tuesday and see how everything looks. He is fine with helping me monitor my health, even though I chose this route. He understood.
Theworm
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Why wouldn’t he just write the script and you pay cash price? That’s the deal I have and I think I pay 75 for a 10cc bottle of test cyp.
He wrote me a script and the local pharmacy wanted about $100 for two 1ml 100mg/ml vials. I jumped on trips bogo sale and got a lot more for my money. I don't have many options for pharmacies where I'm at and they couldn't compete with the prices I paid regardless. I figure I'll run this awhile and then let my numbers drop for a few weeks and get retested and eventually get my insurance covering it.
I didn't ask them how much they'd charge me for a 10ml multi use vial as that wasn't what he wrote the script for, but it's a small family owned pharmacy up here and I'm sure they are more expensive than most places. Regardless, I wouldn't have a problem paying $75-100 for a 10ml vial but hopefully my insurance will be covering here pretty soon anyway so the point should be moot.
Bumpygooch
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Regarding the cardio toxicity of nandrolone, telmisartan is alleged to mitigate that affect. Trying to find the study/ies on which that is based.
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