Legs and ass exercises

[grey]

If you want to define what you mean by "recovery" such as lactic acid removal or faster oxygenation of the blood or something to that effect that would help.

In this case, the definition is "able to continue relative linear progression at high percentage of 1RM for longer periods than males at their equivalent 1RM%."

If you think that somehow makes gets read as "does better at sports" you are simply making a strawman for yourself to fight as no one has said anything of the sort.

 

[Sworder]

In this case, the definition is "able to continue relative linear progression at high percentage of 1RM for longer periods than males at their equivalent 1RM%."

Ah, is that what this is about? 1RM?

Either way, I have stated what the most likely causes to why this would be. Doesn't have to do with gender.

 

[Docd187123]

Depends on the type of training, you are referring to vo2 max. I would love for you to explain the science behind why women would recover better than men. What female hormones lie behind this phenomena?

I'm not referring to VO2 max. By intensity I'm referring to the percentage of 1RM on any given lift. The closer you are to the max, the higher the intensity.

It's not so much due to a preferential hormonal environment as much as it has to do with neurological muscular recruitment.

By recovery I generally mean sufficient fatigue has dissipated so that normal training can continue. In this context it's more in depth since the average women needs less rest between sets than men, the have higher endurance in terms of eccentric loading, and they dissipate fatigue better generally speaking.

It's pretty obvious you've never trained a serious female lifter before.

 

[Docd187123]

Ah, is that what this is about? 1RM?

Either way, I have stated what the most likely causes to why this would be. Doesn't have to do with gender.

You're wrong about the causes and it does have to do with gender.

 

[Sworder]

You're wrong about the causes and it does have to do with gender.

Sure prove it!

 

[grey]

It's not so much due to a preferential hormonal environment as much as it has to do with neurological muscular recruitment.

If I had the theorize... I think that most First-world females grow up having an order of magnitude fewer reasons/opportunities that require maximal volitional exertion. American girls can easily reach their 30's or older without EVER having put forth a single maximal strength effort in their lives.

Boys on the other hand, routinely exert themselves in this manner voluntarily and frequently (though less so in the modern era) which is a stress to their CNS, the stress causes adaptation, and voila.. their 1RM is considerably spread over a much wider volitional band than their female age-cohort.

Ergo, a male pushing 90% of their 1RM is inducing a stress that is a bit more difficult to recover from than the same age female pushing 90% of her volitional 1RM (because her CNS is literal decades behind in the number of time it has experienced such stresses and adapted as a response).

Female strength ceilings are not pushing the performance envelope nearly as far as males are, thus a 90% effort is less difficult to recover from outside of menstrual interference.

Sure prove it!

Sure, I'll get right on that N = 10,000 multi-year study on weight training variable controlled females right after dinner.


It is a THEORY and OBSERVANCE... not a HYPOTHESIS nor a LAW.

Having a theory requires no more than a logical flow to the tenets...

 

[Sworder]

lol

 

[grey]

lol

Dynamite debate point... You certainly gave me something to think about.

I think the crowd was swayed as well.

 

[Sworder]

So if you are conducting an experiment you want to have 1 variable that is different and that is the one that you are investigating... In this case, gender....
It is extremely difficult to conduct experiments in which everything is the same as humans are so unique. Which is the reason why they love to use twins. As they are very similar.

So in this case. You guys are comparing a woman with the following stats:
125 lbs
5,5
Max bench: 95
etc etc

to a male that has the following(?!)

weight: 200
5'10
max bench: 225
etc etc

And you guys are saying that the reason for the recovery being faster is because of gender?? Grey I agree with you in regards to why humans whom are women may recover faster but it doesn't have to do with gender.

I could have taken more time to explain this but I don't care to.

Have fun

 

[grey]

Grey I agree with you in regards to why humans whom are women may recover faster but it doesn't have to do with gender

I would say that their gender plays a significant behavioral and thus physical role is *why* they do not end up hitting themselves with CNS challenging event, but it may be an indirect effect rather than directly hormonal etc... I surely do not know.

Hard to say for certain, which is why the point was made observationally.

The *why* is not certain, but their ability to train consistently closer to their strength ceiling and continually recover is easily observed (especially in novices).

It doesn't make a real shocking change in their training though, other than the coach's awareness that this resilience seems very dependent on the absence of the menstrual cycle... Ignoring that difference can lead to odd conclusions and coaching decisions for those not aware of the phenomenon.

 

[Sworder]

I would say that their gender plays a significant behavioral and thus physical role is *why* they do not end up hitting themselves with CNS challenging event, but it may be an indirect effect rather than directly hormonal etc... I surely do not know.

Hard to say for certain, which is why the point was made observationally.

The *why* is not certain, but their ability to train consistently closer to their strength ceiling and continually recover is easily observed (especially in novices).

It doesn't make a real shocking change in their training though, other than the coach's awareness that this resilience seems very dependent on the absence of the menstrual cycle... Ignoring that difference can lead to odd conclusions and coaching decisions for those not aware of the phenomenon.

Here is a good article to understand the process of recovery in the muscle. From there you can google or try to find a correlation to these levels being elevated in women or that there is a higher concentration of enzymes in women that relate to recovery.
But there won't be any data to support there is a physiological advantage for women in regards to this.

Creatine-Kinase- and Exercise-Related Muscle Damage Implications for Muscle Performance and Recovery
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jnme/2012/960363/

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Why would there be a different women's forum for exercising? Is there any musculoskeletal differences?

There are female musculoskeletal differences in the elbow and hip joints. I hadn't thought about that, maybe not relevant until really advanced?

 

[Docd187123]

Sure prove it!

I'll give you the study design parameters so you can prove it to yourself.

Take a female and male lifters with similar training experience. Ask them each to do a maximal set of 5reps and compare it to their 1RM. You'll see the woman can do around 93-95% of their 1RM for a set of 5 where the male can only do around 85-88% of their 1RM. Furthermore, go to a local powerlifting meet and take a look at the weight jumps between attempts for males and females. You'll notice males make a much higher jump between attempts than females.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

It's pretty obvious you've never trained a serious female lifter before.

Or a male, including himself.

I'll give you the study design parameters so you can prove it to yourself.

Take a female and male lifters with similar training experience. Ask them each to do a maximal set of 5reps and compare it to their 1RM. You'll see the woman can do around 93-95% of their 1RM for a set of 5 where the male can only do around 85-88% of their 1RM. Furthermore, go to a local powerlifting meet and take a look at the weight jumps between attempts for males and females. You'll notice males make a much higher jump between attempts than females.

That explanation went WAY over sworder's head. Too many numbers and stuff. He can't even understand how the semen got in his rectum, and thinks steroids made his nipples move.

Fortunately it won't be lost on the non retarded, which I suspect was your goal all along.

 

[Docd187123]

Or a male, including himself.



That explanation went WAY over sworder's head. Too many numbers and stuff. He can't even understand how the semen got in his rectum, and thinks steroids made his nipples move.

Fortunately it won't be lost on the non retarded, which I suspect was your goal all along.

Lol, that last sentence has me chuckling. It's not rocket science that women need to train a little differently than men. I'm not talking about how they need to do bosou ball single leg pistol squats while juggling 3 chainsaws either.... It's just the way you program volume, intensity, progression needs to be tailored for them.