Letrozole or Tamoxifen For Gyno (while HGH)?

[X-BODY]

Hi
First of all sorry for my bad English. I have little gyno from my childhood (sharp nipple kind) and im on 2iu/day HGH now and my nipples start to be sensitive. To reverse or prevent that, which drug is good for me?

 

[mands]

Have you gotten blood work done? How long have you been on GH?

mands

 

[Peanutbuttermc]

Raloxifene 60mg a day for the gyno.

 

[Mr MASSE]

Are you only on HGH?
Letrozol will be strong, better exemestane..
It's is slowing down a bit your IGF1 level, but if you need it...

 

[X-BODY]

Have you gotten blood work done? How long have you been on GH?

mands

Raloxifene 60mg a day for the gyno.

Are you only on HGH?
Letrozol will be strong, better exemestane..
It's is slowing down a bit your IGF1 level, but if you need it...

I just finish my last cycle's PCT and waiting for blood tests. This is my 8th week of HGH, i will use 8-9 months total and i will go aas cycle at the end of the 3rd month.

 

[mands]

I would look at your e2 and see if it's elevated. I agree Letro is too much for an AI IMO. I would go with what was suggested Exemestane(Aromasin) if e2 is high.

If it's not high you might want to think about nolva or ralox.

mands

 

[Ed Plucker]

Aromatase inhibitors will significantly lower estradiol. I would get some blood work done first to see whether your estradiol is elevated because if it isn't an AI is going to cause some pretty nasty sides. Low estradiol is not a good thing. Your gyno probably isn't due to high estradiol because as you said you have had it since childhood and you're not on any AAS.

 

[mands]

Aromatase inhibitors will significantly lower estradiol. I would get some blood work done first to see whether your estradiol is elevated because if it isn't an AI is going to cause some pretty nasty sides. Low estradiol is not a good thing. Your gyno probably isn't due to high estradiol because as you said you have had it since childhood and you're not on any AAS.

Please explain why his gyno isn't due to high estradiol? What do you think caused his gyno in childhood? Let me answer that for you. His estrogen-androgen imbalance.

Also, how is him not being on AAS have to do with his e2 not being high?

mands

 

[Ed Plucker]

Please explain why his gyno isn't due to high estradiol? What do you think caused his gyno in childhood? Let me answer that for you. His estrogen-androgen imbalance.

Also, how is him not being on AAS have to do with his e2 not being high?

mands

I didn't say his gyno wasn't due to high estradiol, I said it probably wasn't due to high estradiol. Disturbances in the endocrine system that lead to an increase in the ratio of estrogens/androgens are thought to be responsible for the development of gynecomastia. This may occur even if the levels of estrogens and androgens are both appropriate but the ratio is altered.
As for your second question please rephrase it without the double-negative and I will see if I can make sense of it. If he's not on AAS why else would his estradiol levels be high? Just telling the guy to start taking AI's and anti-estrogens is stupid fucking advice and not at all appropriate without knowing the guy's blood work.

 

[mands]

I didn't say his gyno wasn't due to high estradiol, I said it probably wasn't due to high estradiol. Disturbances in the endocrine system that lead to an increase in the ratio of estrogens/androgens are thought to be responsible for the development of gynecomastia. This may occur even if the levels of estrogens and androgens are both appropriate but the ratio is altered.
As for your second question please rephrase it without the double-negative and I will see if I can make sense of it. If he's not on AAS why else would his estradiol levels be high? Just telling the guy to start taking AI's and anti-estrogens is stupid fucking advice and not at all appropriate without knowing the guy's blood work.

Semantics I suppose. lol

Because he's running GH numb nuts and he has a history of imbalance of hormones.

And look at my post above I asked for blood work. Did I give him a dose and a recommendation to what mg to take?

You are seriously need to slow down and think about what you post...

mands

 

[mands]

Hey @Ed Plucker can you tell me the three pharmacological treatments of gynecomastia?

And please explain what happens with estrogen and androgen when gyno problems occur?

Thanks,

mands

 

[Ed Plucker]

Hey @Ed Plucker can you tell me the three pharmacological treatments of gynecomastia?

And please explain what happens with estrogen and androgen when these gyno problems occur?

Thanks,

mands

No I honestly can't bro. But I can almost guarantee you that no Dr worth a damn would put someone on an AI or anti-estrogen without blood work showing high estradiol.

Adolescent gynecomastia is caused by the faster rise in estradiol than testosterone seen during early puberty. However, this skewed estrogen/androgen ratio is normally corrected with the expected increase in testosterone seen later in puberty. So its likely the guy had an unexpected rise in estradiol without a corresponding increase in testosterone which should happen during puberty. The only real treatment for gyno is surgery. I would never advise anyone to use AI's or anti-estrogens without blood work showing an elevated level of estradiol.

 

[mands]

No I honestly can't bro. But I can almost guarantee you that no Dr worth a damn would put someone on an AI or anti-estrogen without blood work showing high estradiol.

Adolescent gynecomastia is caused by the faster rise in estradiol than testosterone seen during early puberty. However, this skewed estrogen/androgen ratio is normally corrected with the expected increase in testosterone seen later in puberty. So its likely the guy had an unexpected rise in estradiol without a corresponding increase in testosterone which should happen during puberty. The only real treatment for gyno is surgery. I would never advise anyone to use AI's or anti-estrogens without blood work showing an elevated level of estradiol.

Well look it up. Or better yet since you aren't spreading inaccurate google information I will tell you.

Pharmacological treatment for gyno and three possible pathways with a SERM like nolva or ralox, treatment with an AI like arimidex or Aromasin and/or giving the individual androgens.

You are correct the only way to get rid of gyno is surgery. Obviously the OP did NOT have the done. Therefore if I had to assume his estrogen is high along with an imbalance of prolatctin from taking the GH.

And like I stated earlier. He need to get bloods or asked if he had them already.

mands

 

[mands]

No I honestly can't bro. But I can almost guarantee you that no Dr worth a damn would put someone on an AI or anti-estrogen without blood work showing high estradiol.

What would a Doctor who is worth a damn do for high e2?

mands

 

[Ed Plucker]

He would probably look at the person's testosterone levels as well and he would likely prescribe TRT doses of testosterone along with a SERM like Tamoxifen or Clomiphene.

 

[Timbotb]

Sorry to jump on your post. I am having similar issues with gyno but with tesamorelin. My estradiol is 49.2 and test is 550 and igf 1 is 375. Appreciate any information input.

 

[Munky]

Indole 3-carbinol healthy for removing bad estrogen , not a quick fix but a supplement you can run safely as an add on.

 

[Timbotb]

Indole 3-carbinol healthy for removing bad estrogen , not a quick fix but a supplement you can run safely as an add on.

Thanks. What's your take on DIM? Also looked at a combo of boron, grape seed extract, zinc, reservatrol, and tong tongkat ali?

 

[Munky]

Zinc spray if you can find it not sure about T.A. , I know this much avoid gluten it will cause your body to store estrogen, I made a list of food's that lowered bad estrogen and a list that boosted testosterone this can be helpful just put it on the fridge

 

[Timbotb]

Yeah diet is pretty good. I was prescribed tesamorelin... was good first two months then my estradiol went up pretty high started to get gyno symptoms.