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Okay fellas, here's the link of an interview from Ori Hofmekler. This interview is what I was referring to. He also an author of a book called warrior blah blah blah...

Hopefully this will clear any mistakes I've said

http://chadwaterbury.com/the-truth-about-post-workout-nutrition/

http://chadwaterbury.com/the-truth-about-post-workout-nutrition/
 
How can the body go catabolic during sleep if you eat a protein rich meal before bed? When you sleep metabolism goes WAY down and bodily function other than the necessary essentially shuts down. Why would you need carbs to prevent muscle wasting? And how much we talkin here?
 
http://bodytransformationfitness.com/overnight-muscle-catabolism-fact-fiction/

We don't hibernate. Our bodies metabolism doesn't go down a whole lot. Our bodies function as usual, we're in a resting phase.

just not sure how much....or if any carbs should be taken before bed.

gr8whitetrukker said:
How can the body go catabolic during sleep if you eat a protein rich meal before bed? When you sleep metabolism goes WAY down and bodily function other than the necessary essentially shuts down. Why would you need carbs to prevent muscle wasting? And how much we talkin here?
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mghoward74 said:
http://bodytransformationfitness.com/overnight-muscle-catabolism-fact-fiction/

We don't hibernate. Our bodies metabolism doesn't go down a whole lot. Our bodies function as usual, we're in a resting phase.

just not sure how much....or if any carbs should be taken before bed.
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Your RMR is basically what you drop down to while you sleep. If you eat just prior to be or maybe a few hours before you'll have NEAT which is non exercise associated thermogenesis. Carbs before bed is really dependent upon which dieting philosophy you want to follow and he macros/calories you had during the day and what's left before bed if any at all. Personally I eat a lot of carbs before bed bc I lift late at night. If you want carbs late make sure you have some left in your daily allowance. If you do not want carbs before bed the differences are negligible in terms of body comp. the main difference would probably be your performance in the gym but that would take experimenting to figure out what's best for you as an individual.
 
Ive been experimenting with simple carb intake recently. Seems to keep me healthier. Like bananas, apples, fruit of any kind really. Smoothies too. I like how it doesnt weigh me down. I feel vibrant with fruit in my diet.

When I eat heavy complex carbs like pasta and potatoes even rice it makes me lethargic as hell. I wonder if there's some thing to this? Im carb sensitive I guess. When I see guys diet plans and I see rice with damn near every meal im like...wtf how do they do that? I cant I would look terrible.

How healthy would a diet be with a majority of carbs coming from simple sugars. Eatin thru the day. I still like one heavy carb meal a day. Usually at lunch time. But what do y'all think?
 
gr8whitetrukker said:
Ive been experimenting with simple carb intake recently. Seems to keep me healthier. Like bananas, apples, fruit of any kind really. Smoothies too. I like how it doesnt weigh me down. I feel vibrant with fruit in my diet.

When I eat heavy complex carbs like pasta and potatoes even rice it makes me lethargic as hell. I wonder if there's some thing to this? Im carb sensitive I guess. When I see guys diet plans and I see rice with damn near every meal im like...wtf how do they do that? I cant I would look terrible.

How healthy would a diet be with a majority of carbs coming from simple sugars. Eatin thru the day. I still like one heavy carb meal a day. Usually at lunch time. But what do y'all think?
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Moderate and faster acting carbs are actually my preference. I incorporate lots of simple carbs - I like jams / jellies, pastries, etc.

I incorporate them because they give me far less GI bloat than slower digesting carbs like brown rice and oatmeal tend to do, they give me great performance in the gym, and I am able to meet my caloric and macro goals much easier by utilizing them.

I still get a good amount of complex carbs in my diet, I eat white rice with all of my home prepared meals, but I also get a lot of simple carbs too.

There won't be a change in body composition if you incorporated some more simple carbs in place of complex carbs assuming daily calories and macros remained the same.

Broscience will tell you otherwise, citing the glycemic index or something like that - a tool that is only relevant for diabetics or those taking insulin. This is antiquated thinking. We know better now.

Docd187123 said:
4) Dirty foods make you fat due to insulin spikes. FALSE!!! High GI foods can be slowly released in the presence of protein and/or fat. Protein and fat slow the digestion of carbs, making the glycemic load of the meal low. You can avoid spiking blood sugar while eating a candy cane just by eating a bit of protein with it or some fats. Also, what's assumed here is that an insulin spike will cause fat gain. First off, insulin cannot defeat a calorie deficit in healthy individuals and secondly, insulin still remains in physiological range no matter what you eat and how high the GI of any food is and physiological ranges of insulin do not have the anabolic/catabolic effects that bodybuilders obsess over. The only time to consider GI or fast/slow carbs is if you're diabetic or using insulin exogenously. If not one of those two groups STOP OBSESSING OVER INSULIN FOR NO REASON!
Bottom Line

The successful bodybuilder, power lifter, physique athlete, etc... will use a diet that he/she can be consistent with and is consistent with his/her goals. There are many tricks at your disposal: carb cycling, low carbs, low fat, ketogenic, IF, etc. What tricks you use is up to you. DCA/IIFYM simply allows you to not hate your daily diet and include foods which you personally want to eat. If you dread your diet and plan cheat meals religiously, you can still get results but who wants to be miserable when it comes to food/nutrition?
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Source -

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/a-primer-on-dca-iifym-for-aspiring-dieters.134360230/

Also, I would urge everyone to take a look at Docs thread that I just linked, it's well cited, informative, and it also addresses many of the myths associated with dieting and nutrition.
 
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Good thread here.

I eat lots of carbs. When I was tracking my cals and macros, I was at roughly 600g of carbs a day. My main staples were white rice (tons of it), Ezekiel bread with honey, and bananas (six a day).

I've tried a few different diet variations and I have to say that a high carb, low fat, moderate protein diet is best for me, both in terms of performance and aesthetics.
 
God, I love me some carbs.
I just can't see how people can go without having any on a keto diet.

Usally the only carbs I get in come from baked potatos or milk. Veggies also but I don't really count them as carbs.
Every now and then I'll stop by rally's and get me a Large cup of those fries.
I Dont do it often because I can feel the Diabetes running through my veins right after.
 
Good thread. Just read the whole thing. Ive just started adding some carbs to my PWO and pre bed casein shakes. Seems to be helping so far. I work out 1st thing in the AM and the late night carbs have seemed to help the next day.
 
Xlgx said:
Hbcd highly branched cyclic dextrins

Karboload from truenutrition which is a three ingredient carb mix

Dextrose/maltodextrin made from rice
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I did try karboload before and I did like it...I tried pure dextrose before too which just never sat right with me
 
I'm not one to supplement carbs bc I love eating carbs lol. If you insist on supplementing carbs, most of the products will produce the same end result. WM, maltodextrin, etc they'll have negligible differences in terms of body comp. you may find you handle and can digest one better than the other bj that's about it.
 
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