Looking for Advice on First Cycle

[JiHbE]

Hey everyone,

I'm currently 6'1" and 170 lbs. I've gained 17 pounds over the past year by doubling the amount of food I eat and training 5 times a week rather than 2 or 3. Unfortunately, I believe I've reached my body's natural limit in strength and size and now need some assistance.

I'm looking to gain another 15-20 pounds of muscle (upper and lower body) and I need your help. How can I successfully gain the weight I'm looking for and keep the majority of it?

Can someone please help me with a first cycle?

Jim

 

[Captain Planet]

You are going to need to research yourself. Only you will know what is best for your body and your goals. As for general advice, most people will suggest using only Testosterone for a first cycle because A) you will get good gains and B) it will let you know how your body reacts to AAS.

-Good luck

 

[GDSGFT]

How long have you been training for?

How often do you train different body parts, and on what days?

You say you've doubled the amount of what you were eating in the past year, do the math in KJ or calories, if it's under 16,000kj - roughly 4000 calories, (sorry I'm Australian, still not used to this KJ calorie conversion shit) you're not eating enough.

As for a beginner cycle. I'm sure that many would agree that 500mg of sus250 EW for 8 weeks is probably the go. Just make sure you've got some anti-e's on hand.

All the best

 

[Deacon]

A long ester test - enth or cyp and run it at 500 mgs per week for 10 weeks

dont even worry about stacking on a first cycle

 

[Big Trav]

I'm also 6'1, so I know the problem you must be having filling out...being tall in bodybuilding kinda blows because you have so much more space to fill out than the short guys, but its not impossible. Before you try a cycle, figure out your total calories, protein, and carbs...now double the calories and protein...try to triple the carbs. Train heavy and hard with perfect form and give it about 3 months to see what happens. This worked for me...I was about 170 and jumped in about 8 months to around 200 pounds. I weigh around 230-235 right now and fairly lean. If you are dead set on a cycle, just keep it basic...500 mg's of test enanthate and either 400 mg's of deca or 50mg's of dbal...or all 3, it depends on your budget I guess, hope this helps.

 

[4545]

Keep it simple.
Test Enan. 500mg per week 10 weeks
EQ 400mg per week 10 weeks
Nolva 20mg everyday
PCT Nolva Clomid HCG
If you eat right and train right you should easily put on 10-20 pounds.

 

[Tank01]

Keep it simple.
Test Enan. 500mg per week 10 weeks
EQ 400mg per week 10 weeks
Nolva 20mg everyday
PCT Nolva Clomid HCG
If you eat right and train right you should easily put on 10-20 pounds.

Id stay off for another year and durring that year i would try everythign else with respect to training and nutrition. try to gain the pounds you want naturaly... then come to the dark side...

 

[JiHbE]

Hi

I don't think I could honestly eat anymore than I am now. I eat 6 meals a day and I seem to have leveled of at about 170 pounds. Unfortunately, I have the metabolism that I will have to eat this much just to maintain this weight. I think eating 7 or 8 meals per day would honestly make me feel ill.

I train each muscle group about once every 5 days. I've found that I see better results from focusing on one specific muscle per day rather than combining two (such as doing chest and triceps on the same day). Instead, I will spend a solid hour on chest one day and then focus specifically on triceps the following day. This seems to give me better results for my body type rather than combining two different muscle groups in one day. I have also found that doing 5 sets per exercise seems to work better for me too. I feel like I am letting myself off too easy if I only do 3 or 4 sets of an exercise. Does anyone else do this? I will do about 4 different exercises per muscle group (eg. for chest I will do flat dumbless, decline bench, flys and then a flat universal chest press) which usually takes a little over an hour. Tricep day comes next, then shoulders, biceps, back then legs day. (Lately I've been taking it easy on legs as I had ankle surgery 3 months ago).

One of you suggested Sust 250 @ 500mg/week for 8 weeks. For a tall, thin guy, any predictions about the kind of weight I will put on? Will I be able to keep about 70-80% of it?

Also, someone else mentioned taking EQ. I heard this is a cutter and I already have very little body fat so do you think this is right for me? I'm currently at 7% body fat.

I'm not dead set on doing a cycle. I just don't believe my body is naturally capable of putting on much more than another 5 pounds and I would really like to get my body from 170 to at least 185 pounds. Also, creatine etc. doesn't go over well with my digestive system if you know what I mean so that's out of the question.

 

[Southernjuice]

Keep it simplier than some people's "simple". NOT saying your even ready yet but....just go with test cyp or enant at 500mgs a week for ten or 12 wks...clomid pct and have nolva on hand. Sust at 500mg wk is a waste IMO but I hate sust anyeway...you HAVE to inject at least EOD to take advantage of all the esters so that being said go with a long acting test.

 

[Southernjuice]

I don't think I could honestly eat anymore than I am now. I eat 6 meals a day and I seem to have levelled of at about 170 pounds. Unfortunately, I have the metabolism that I will have to eat this much just to maintain this weight. I think eating 7 or 8 meals per day would honestly make me feel ill.

I train each muscle group about once every 5 days. I've found that I see better results from focusing on one specific muscle per day rather than combining two (such as doing chest and triceps on the same day). Instead, I will spend a solid hour on chest one day and then focus specifically on triceps the following day. This seems to give me better results for my body type than combining two different muscle groups.

One of you suggested Sust 250 @ 500mg/week for 10 weeks. For a tall, thin guy, any predictions about the kind of weight I will put on? Will I be able to keep about 70-80% of it?

Also, someone else mentioned taking EQ. I heard this is a cutter and I already have very little body fat so do you think this is right for me?

Your diet,workout and cardio will determine whether you'll gain mass or loose BF or both....you can cut on any aas.

 

[juicestop]

EQ can be used during cutting or bulking. Most people compare it to Deca but with less water retention so if your goal is to maintain 70 - 80% of your gains when you cycle off, then adding drugs that produce quality muscle mass as opposed to just water is a good idea. I am getting ready to do my first cycle and so far I have been set on Test Prop about 500 - 600 mg per week, and EQ 400 mf per week. But this cycle is gonna require you transform yourself into a human pincushion. If this doesn't sound appealing to you I would say Test Enanthate by itself or with Deca, this is a 1 - 2 time a week injection and with good gear a painless shot. Also as everyone says have nolvadex and PCT's on deck but don't use the nolvadex unless you need to, there is no point reducing your IGF-1 levels unless absolutely necessary. Just my opinion, god luck whatever you do

 

[a_free_man]

I agree with what someone else said... the Sust might be a waste if you're not doing it in a way that allows you to take advantage of ALL the esters in it. Sticking with Cyp or Enth would be a much better way to go.

You haven't included your age on any of your posts. I know it's not exactly a popular opinion, but I am against anyone below the age of (about) 23 or 24 using aas... your test levels are still quite high at that point and you can still get great gains without the juice.. and by using early, you're probably hurting your long run potential.

If you are older than that, then ignore what I said. It's just my humble opinion anyway.