Looking for some advice. 1st cycle in years...Test Cyp, Tren E and Drol

[ChiCubbie86]

I think its overrated (The toxicity) Dr. Scally ran a study where he gave people 100mg plus of Adrol for months at q time without significant increases in liver value.

Still goo to stick to 6 weeks and under, since we are pinning so much, but TBH the liver toxicity (So long as you're healthy and confirm with vloodwork beforehand) isnt a huge concern for me.... since I have q healthy liver and I dont ingest alcohol.


Same brother, kills my appetite.. which is extremely shitty when I have to force the calories to grow, especially since I add it to the back end
.. and I'm already fucking sick of food anyways, considering I'm already pushing 4k+ cals by that point if I'm serious about bulking.

Its almost a cuttinf/strength compound for me due to the appetite killing.

Facts...I’m an ectomorph so always had to eat a lot of food and sometimes I just can’t...so if drol kills my appetite oh lord not gonna be good. Don’t get me wrong I get where I need to be 98% of the time but it’s really a struggle especially if I’m gonna be stacking drol...evidently an anti appetite to the mix fml sick of food as well bro trust me

 

[ChiCubbie86]

I agree that the toxicity of Anadrol is overblown. In many cases Anavar has caused more issues in users. The best way to combat sides from Anadrol, including appetite suppression, is to use it ore workout only. Not always the ideal scenario as blood levels will go up and down significantly between workouts but it is an awesome PWO along with a cup of strong java!

May be the only way lol

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Facts...I’m an ectomorph so always had to eat a lot of food and sometimes I just can’t...so if drol kills my appetite oh lord not gonna be good. Don’t get me wrong I get where I need to be 98% of the time but it’s really a struggle especially if I’m gonna be stacking drol...evidently an anti appetite to the mix fml sick of food as well bro trust me

That's just my personal experience.
Believe it or not, alot (If not most) get awesome hunger gains from Adrol.

I honestly dont react well to orals, I've been thinking of straight cutting them out of my stacks.

 

[EazyE]

That's just my personal experience.
Believe it or not, alot (If not most) get awesome hunger gains from Adrol.

I honestly dont react well to orals, I've been thinking of straight cutting them out of my stacks.

I find that if I stay off orals for a while then reintroduce them again later on, I seem to respond better. Sides vary with different compounds. Preworkout seems to be best overall at this stage for me.

 

[ChiCubbie86]

That's just my personal experience.
Believe it or not, alot (If not most) get awesome hunger gains from Adrol.

I honestly dont react well to orals, I've been thinking of straight cutting them out of my stacks.

Yeah it’s my first cycle back in a few years so I’ll probably save the drol for a cycle down the line. A really good friend of mine (that was a genetic freak, in the gym and in general) told me long long time ago to avoid orals at all costs and just stick with test...I’ve always tried to keep it that way (some smaller doses of tren few cycles too lol) but hearing about drol for a bulk is tempting why I bought it ha we’ll see

 

[ChiCubbie86]

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I find that if I stay off orals for a while then reintroduce them again later on, I seem to respond better. Sides vary with different compounds. Preworkout seems to be best overall at this stage for me.

Sure it’s one hell of a pre workout lol

 

[ftaro]

Yeah it’s my first cycle back in a few years so I’ll probably save the drol for a cycle down the line. A really good friend of mine (that was a genetic freak, in the gym and in general) told me long long time ago to avoid orals at all costs and just stick with test...I’ve always tried to keep it that way (some smaller doses of tren few cycles too lol) but hearing about drol for a bulk is tempting why I bought it ha we’ll see

Everyone responds different to orals. Some people can run dbol and have perfectly fine liver enzymes after 8 weeks. Others run it for a week and have tension headaches so bad they wish they were dead. That’s why it’s a good idea to start with a mild one to see where you lie. One of the good things about most orals is how fast acting they are, so if you need to stop you can get over the sides relatively quickly

 

[ChiCubbie86]

Everyone responds different to orals. Some people can run dbol and have perfectly fine liver enzymes after 8 weeks. Others run it for a week and have tension headaches so bad they wish they were dead. That’s why it’s a good idea to start with a mild one to see where you lie. One of the good things about most orals is how fast acting they are, so if you need to stop you can get over the sides relatively quickly

Factssss

 

[CanadianPride]

I wouldn’t run Tren and Anadrol at the same time if you’re looking to put on lean tissue and keep it. Tren E will make you lethargic overtime, anadrol will fuck your stomach/appetite and will make you so lethargic blinking will be like cardio.

Switch out the drol for a less harsh compound imo. Add in 200 DHB, or Tbol or maybeee Var imo.
My advise with Tren. Take 25mg proviron, 5mg of cialis with .25 Caber, 25mg nolvadex 3 times per week to stop all gyno and keep your erections.
Tren will reduce your erection strength and even completely give you ED if you don’t take proper measures.

Good luck cheers.

 

[ChiCubbie86]

I wouldn’t run Tren and Anadrol at the same time if you’re looking to put on lean tissue and keep it. Tren E will make you lethargic overtime, anadrol will fuck your stomach/appetite and will make you so lethargic blinking will be like cardio.

Switch out the drol for a less harsh compound imo. Add in 200 DHB, or Tbol or maybeee Var imo.
My advise with Tren. Take 25mg proviron, 5mg of cialis with .25 Caber, 25mg nolvadex 3 times per week to stop all gyno and keep your erections.
Tren will reduce your erection strength and even completely give you ED if you don’t take proper measures.

Good luck cheers.

Few years ago I did a couple cycles of test cyp 500mg and tren e 250mg bi weekly and had no sides from the tren besides some insomnia and some night sweats...Everyone’s different

 

[ChiCubbie86]

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Few years ago I did a couple cycles of test cyp 500mg and tren e 250mg bi weekly and had no sides from the tren besides some insomnia and some night sweats...Everyone’s different

12 week cycles as well

 

[ChiCubbie86]

What’s up guys...I’m finishing my 7th week this week and wanted to know your e2 experiences with drol? I’ve had 0 issues with my e2 on test nor tren in the past and no e2 issues this cycle at 650mg of test but wondering your experiences with the back load of drol. I’m looking to do 4-5 weeks, can e2 become an issue for that short load? Just asking your opinions from experience @Silentlemon1011 @EazyE @ftaro

 

[Btcowboy]

What’s up guys...I’m finishing my 7th week this week and wanted to know your e2 experiences with drol? I’ve had 0 issues with my e2 on test nor tren in the past and no e2 issues this cycle at 650mg of test but wondering your experiences with the back load of drol. I’m looking to do 4-5 weeks, can e2 become an issue for that short load? Just asking your opinions from experience @Silentlemon1011 @EazyE @ftaro

Everyone will be different and yes it can happen in 4 to 6 weeks. What dose you thinking of running it at? AI won't help with drol either need Nolva maybe Ralox if it really goes south on you. I have run it to 100mg and sides for me was headaches, lethargy, and acid reflux no major E2 issues, but as stated everyone is different

 

[Silentlemon1011]

What’s up guys...I’m finishing my 7th week this week and wanted to know your e2 experiences with drol? I’ve had 0 issues with my e2 on test nor tren in the past and no e2 issues this cycle at 650mg of test but wondering your experiences with the back load of drol. I’m looking to do 4-5 weeks, can e2 become an issue for that short load? Just asking your opinions from experience @Silentlemon1011 @EazyE @ftaro

Pretty much what @Btcowboy said.
The Drol wont aromatise
but will provide high E2 like symptoms like gyno.
Keep Nolva on standby and you should be good.
I add a little extra potassium to my diet to battle bloat and high BL, works well
Celery seed extract is a good one for those as well.

I get stomach problems and food seems disgusting to me on drol.
so I don't use it anymore, I suggest if you start having that issue, stop the drop.
Food is half the battle for growth as you know brother.

 

[EazyE]

Facts...I’m an ectomorph so always had to eat a lot of food and sometimes I just can’t...so if drol kills my appetite oh lord not gonna be good. Don’t get me wrong I get where I need to be 98% of the time but it’s really a struggle especially if I’m gonna be stacking drol...evidently an anti appetite to the mix fml sick of food as well bro trust me

As @Silentlemon1011 and @Btcowboy have stated you will not need an AI but keep nolvadex on hand if sides become an issue. Overall I find less sides with Drol than other orals. I like 75mg daily. Doesn’t seem to give me any issues at that dose. Running it at the back end of a cycle for 6 weeks achieves awesome results. Very full look to the muscles that is hard to achieve with other compounds. Just keep your diet in check.

 

[EazyE]

Further to this, Drol does a great job of helping your body assimilate nutrients and shuttle them into the muscles. Anyone that bloats on Drol needs to look at their overall cycle and diet. When you’re lean Drol creates a look that is unbelievable. It is the best oral available.

 

[ChiCubbie86]

Thanks guys I truly appreciate the input... @Btcowboy i was gonna just run 50mg a day for 4-5 weeks but since it’s my first time with orals was leaning toward 4 weeks...pre workout in the am for me... @Silentlemon1011 im also scared it’s gonna kill my appetite as food is always the battle with me but I do it right, just I hate food these days PERIOD. Been blending my between meals (oats, fruits, greens, etc) here and there because I have to hit target but sometimes I can’t sit there with a knife and fork for the 7th time fucking ROUGH...

 

[ChiCubbie86]

But just getting back on test I went from 204 to 229 in the last 7 weeks, granted water retention and what not but I’ve always had decently low body fat and I look more dry...so it’s been a killer cycle for just test. Why the drol has been up in the air for me, if it were to create any issues on a solid run

 

[malfeasance]

So you are up 25 pounds. Can you eat enough to add another ____ pounds that you are expecting to gain from adding anadrol?

Bump up protein and carbs. Up, up, up. Meat, eggs, oats, rice, sweet potatoes, potatoes . . . add another meal at least.

Let's say you want to add another 16 pounds and hit 245.

Then can you eat enough to stay there for a while and consolidate your gains? Your body likes homeostasis, which is just a fancy word for returning to like it was before. The longer you keep your weight up, the more you will be able to keep it up (I hope that last sentence makes sense).

Then what is your next goal?

A hard cut in time to be single digits shredded at 215 for summer?

A competition?

What is the "why" in why you are doing this?

 

[ChiCubbie86]

So you are up 25 pounds. Can you eat enough to add another ____ pounds that you are expecting to gain from adding anadrol?

Bump up protein and carbs. Up, up, up. Meat, eggs, oats, rice, sweet potatoes, potatoes . . . add another meal at least.

Let's say you want to add another 16 pounds and hit 245.

Then can you eat enough to stay there for a while and consolidate your gains? Your body likes homeostasis, which is just a fancy word for returning to like it was before. The longer you keep your weight up, the more you will be able to keep it up (I hope that last sentence makes sense).

Then what is your next goal?

A hard cut in time to be single digits shredded at 215 for summer?

A competition?

What is the "why" in why you are doing this?

Awesome bro. Great questions...I’m doing it to push myself. Where I’m at now in life I want to push my body to its max genetic possibility and bring it to whole new level. Pushing myself plain and simple is the reason I’m doing this....Yes. I wanted to gain as much as I can like you said this winter and rip it down to a dry cut single digits for the summer. Weightlifting is my release. I have a family and own a company but the gym is where I feel at peace ya know lol

As far as can I eat enough? that’s the real question because as I said the eating is the hardest part and I’m a super determined person and it’s still very tough but I can do it. My question is then what am I looking at desirably for the gains on the drol...Another 15lbs after 4 weeks? I’m not experienced with it as you know but is that generally what I’ll be looking at realistically? If this is the goal where would YOUR kcals and macros be? Just curious now thinking about what’s next....