Low dose deca- water retention question

[Mfras]

Howdy!

First my question for the TLDR crowd, then detailed info for the harm reduction and scientist crowd to pick on me or answer better given more info:

On 80mg/week Deca (as an experiment in old fart joint comfort) would you expect to see water weight come on? How much and after how much time?

Details and background:
6’ 3” 259lbs total, 210 lean mass 47yo
Training sleep and diet are dialed in- 1950cals, 220g protein, 5 day split, walking.

Water intake is ok I usually hit .75-1.25 gal/day. Tracking lifts, dexa, bloodwork, body measurements. Recent bloods are better than ever. 25-30lbs left to cut then maintainance/true TRT health cruise planned for the summer. Lost 115lbs fat and gained 20lbs lean mass in the past 2-3 years of steady discipline, 90% just on TRT, recently went to a mild stack to hopefully continue to recomp as things get harder under 20%bf. Still mild but a little wild for me- I prioritize health but only plan on around 20ish weeks on this stack. Have experience with managing mild higher blasts, including test, mast, and NPP in the past. Not expecting miracles still just looking for 1-1.25lbs fat/week and hoping to continue to grow or at least not lose strength if possible while chasing my leanest ever.

Current stack about a month in:
Split mon weds fri:
300 test Cyp
100 mast

Split Tues Fri
80 deca (new only 2.5 weeks in)
2.5 reta

Split AM PM
4iu GH

I had like two odd days of sneakers feeling tight since I started GH but I think it was salt & water intake related- no other water sides, wedding ring still loose. Sleep like a baby.

I’ve experienced like 10lbs water on and offboarding NPP but have no deca experience and this is such a low dose (but hopefully high enough to notice joint improvement if not much else?) and from what I’ve read deca takes forever before you notice anything even at true cycle dosages? Same with on cycle water retention?

So now that I wrote a boring novel about myself in case details would be helpful to way smarter and more experienced folks. I’d love to hear anybody’s experience with water weight on different doses of deca. Obviously we’re all different but it can be helpful to hear about other people’s results, and I’m curious plus searching didn’t turn up anything on this specific topic.

Thanks!

 

[Mfras]

Saying 19% is obese … just stop goading. That isn’t helpful.

19%?! Hey man I’m at 17% now!
haha thanks though

Getting down to 15% should take about another 6 weeks but it’s gonna be a slog down to 12% and lower. I’m equipped for it though.

19% looks way better on a young bodybuilder with tight skin that overshot a bulk than an old fat guy getting in shape but I think the nastiest fat will be gone by 15% and I’ll start looking more like I actually lift.

Gonna maintain and tighten up on a trt health phase for summer then blast a little closer to fall.

 

[BALLISTIC]

Howdy!

First my question for the TLDR crowd, then detailed info for the harm reduction and scientist crowd to pick on me or answer better given more info:

On 80mg/week Deca (as an experiment in old fart joint comfort) would you expect to see water weight come on? How much and after how much time?

Details and background:
6’ 3” 259lbs total, 210 lean mass 47yo
Training sleep and diet are dialed in- 1950cals, 220g protein, 5 day split, walking.

Water intake is ok I usually hit .75-1.25 gal/day. Tracking lifts, dexa, bloodwork, body measurements. Recent bloods are better than ever. 25-30lbs left to cut then maintainance/true TRT health cruise planned for the summer. Lost 115lbs fat and gained 20lbs lean mass in the past 2-3 years of steady discipline, 90% just on TRT, recently went to a mild stack to hopefully continue to recomp as things get harder under 20%bf. Still mild but a little wild for me- I prioritize health but only plan on around 20ish weeks on this stack. Have experience with managing mild higher blasts, including test, mast, and NPP in the past. Not expecting miracles still just looking for 1-1.25lbs fat/week and hoping to continue to grow or at least not lose strength if possible while chasing my leanest ever.

Current stack about a month in:
Split mon weds fri:
300 test Cyp
100 mast

Split Tues Fri
80 deca (new only 2.5 weeks in)
2.5 reta

Split AM PM
4iu GH

I had like two odd days of sneakers feeling tight since I started GH but I think it was salt & water intake related- no other water sides, wedding ring still loose. Sleep like a baby.

I’ve experienced like 10lbs water on and offboarding NPP but have no deca experience and this is such a low dose (but hopefully high enough to notice joint improvement if not much else?) and from what I’ve read deca takes forever before you notice anything even at true cycle dosages? Same with on cycle water retention?

So now that I wrote a boring novel about myself in case details would be helpful to way smarter and more experienced folks. I’d love to hear anybody’s experience with water weight on different doses of deca. Obviously we’re all different but it can be helpful to hear about other people’s results, and I’m curious plus searching didn’t turn up anything on this specific topic.

Thanks!

At 80 mg week of NandroD, you should not expect water retention, but as you said we're all different. The deca bloat reputation comes almost entirely from high doses combined with test aromatization, not from nandrolone alone. Nandrolone does not aromatize strongly and at 80 mg week you’re generating only a small estrogen signal from it. The majority of your estrogen is coming from the 300 mg test, which you’ve already been tolerating without water issues. Deca’s water retention is wstrogen mediated, very much dose dependent, and due to long ester accumulation.

At your dose, you are getting collagen synthesis and reason why it's still prescribed greatly. Synovial fluid increase will provide joint lubrication. That’s why low dose NandroDhas been used clinically for anemia, osteoporosis, and joint pain for decades without edema.

HGH causes renal sodium retention. In simple terms, GH tells your kidneys to hold salt, and where salt goes, water follows. That water first shows up in, feet ankles hands rings shoes feeling tight puffy fingers in the morning. It happens fast usually within 3 to 14 days of starting or increasing HGH. At 4iu this isn't uncommon and occurs in the first month for sure. Good news is you have a definite sign it's working outside labs.

NPP will also cause these same symptoms in many as it enters fast, and clears fast.

 

[Mfras]

At 80 mg week of NandroD, you should not expect water retention, but as you said we're all different. The deca bloat reputation comes almost entirely from high doses combined with test aromatization, not from nandrolone alone. Nandrolone does not aromatize strongly and at 80 mg week you’re generating only a small estrogen signal from it. The majority of your estrogen is coming from the 300 mg test, which you’ve already been tolerating without water issues. Deca’s water retention is wstrogen mediated, very much dose dependent, and due to long ester accumulation.

At your dose, you are getting collagen synthesis and reason why it's still prescribed greatly. Synovial fluid increase will provide joint lubrication. That’s why low dose NandroDhas been used clinically for anemia, osteoporosis, and joint pain for decades without edema.

HGH causes renal sodium retention. In simple terms, GH tells your kidneys to hold salt, and where salt goes, water follows. That water first shows up in, feet ankles hands rings shoes feeling tight puffy fingers in the morning. It happens fast usually within 3 to 14 days of starting or increasing HGH. At 4iu this isn't uncommon and occurs in the first month for sure. Good news is you have a definite sign it's working outside labs.

NPP will also cause these same symptoms in many as it enters fast, and clears fast.

I may be confused but you mention "this stack" are you referring to T Dose and the Mast? Does that include the NandroD also? If so I'd say that's hardly a stack but more along the lines of TRT+ if you will. At this doses. I also am in my 40s, prescribed 325 T, and 150 NandroD. HGH is also prescribed but I use UGL just for transparency. COST

Edit: never mind my apology I just read through it again. Ignore my last paragraph.

Yes sir- I’m calling it a mild cutting stack- if 200t is legit replacement then my + is 100T 150mast 80deca. (And gh). Can’t stay here forever but it’s working nicely and no drama. I’m a large human and not inexperienced but still very aware that I’m at 530mg/week total exposure which would be a healthy blast for a newby. Feels like 330mg though since 200 is the normal forever cruise.

Appreciate the water insight! My wedding ring is getting loose these past months and lower calves aren’t showing sock lines so I think I’m doing well with the water. Feel wise I could probably tolerate a bunch more GH but I think I’m optimized for cutting and recovery and I’ll go down to a lower dose with trt after the cut.

It’s really interesting being on a dialed cut- having my cals macros water training and recovery basically the same every week allows me to really see water noise on the scale, regular progress & occasional sudden little events of fat mobilization in the mirror & with tailors tape. And of course the effects of different compounds.

I need a lot of patience but feel really well equipped to reach my goals. Even outside of gear there are so many diet and training levers to pull and see what happens, and I’m anticipating effects will be clearer and more magnified once I’m lean.

Thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response.