This is the same cycle I ran last spring and I loved the results. The only real side i experienced from the Tren was difficulty sleeping after about 4 weeks. At about 7 weeks I said Fk it and stopped the tren bc I wanted to sleep. But the results during those 7 weeks were great.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
low dose tren ace experiment
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Guzmanus
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Jumping in here - this tren microdosing experiment is wild! I'm super interested in seeing how it goes, especially since some folks are saying they feel almost nothing at similar doses. I'm curious about the long-term effects, so keep us updated! If you do decide to bump it to 50mg/day, I’m keen to hear if you feel any different. I've heard the sides can creep up on you, even when you think you're in the clear
RockyP
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Well, one thing to keep in mind is that there are no free lunches. I’m very happy with the results I’m getting without side effects but bloodwork might tell a different tale. I’ll be sharing my results along with my full support stack of Supps and lipid support meds.
Low dose Tren is still Tren.
Mfras
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Um well microdosing is now officially out the window. Pinned 40mg this morning watered down with 10mg mast. Delt pip has been getting a little less severe- 1/8 the dose at 5mg felt like I got shot with an arrow.
I think I’ve gotten a little (or a lot) ahead of myself here in terms of the schedule of titration. My 3-350mg/week absolute total maximum guardrail is firmly in place but after experiencing zero sides at legit low dose I’m starting to get interested in seeing what happens if I stay at a moderate but serious dose for a bit. Even though I’m pleased to begin finding some strength benefits this is still supposed to be an exploration to see what unwanted things happen and when.
I’m experiencing no DOMS from yesterday’s brutal leg session. I usually finish with 270 + 66lb sled on the hack squat after pre fatigueing with all the isolation work just to seal the deal on leg day but yesterday I had 476 total on there and cranked out a couple sets of 7. No gym today but I got in some fasted cardio haha it snowed like 6” here and wet heavy snow. Shoveled the driveway and cleared the cars off. Slept like a baby last night too. Seems like the extra strength/endurance came with extra recovery as well. Nice.
It’s almost like the point of this was to find the nasty side effects and let the compound itself tell me I shouldn’t mess with it. There’s still time for that to happen as far as discomfort goes, and also bloodwork unless I disco before getting a good soak.
I think I’ve gotten a little (or a lot) ahead of myself here in terms of the schedule of titration. My 3-350mg/week absolute total maximum guardrail is firmly in place but after experiencing zero sides at legit low dose I’m starting to get interested in seeing what happens if I stay at a moderate but serious dose for a bit. Even though I’m pleased to begin finding some strength benefits this is still supposed to be an exploration to see what unwanted things happen and when.
I’m experiencing no DOMS from yesterday’s brutal leg session. I usually finish with 270 + 66lb sled on the hack squat after pre fatigueing with all the isolation work just to seal the deal on leg day but yesterday I had 476 total on there and cranked out a couple sets of 7. No gym today but I got in some fasted cardio haha it snowed like 6” here and wet heavy snow. Shoveled the driveway and cleared the cars off. Slept like a baby last night too. Seems like the extra strength/endurance came with extra recovery as well. Nice.
It’s almost like the point of this was to find the nasty side effects and let the compound itself tell me I shouldn’t mess with it. There’s still time for that to happen as far as discomfort goes, and also bloodwork unless I disco before getting a good soak.
Mfras
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Roads got cleared today- did a heavy chest day with some triceps and shoulders. Flat benched because my buddy was there to spot- 225 went up easier than last time I put it up but 235 wouldn’t go. No miracles but I’ve lost about 10lbs since I last flat benched heavy so I’m glad strength didn’t go away and it’s a good PR to watch for improvement in coming weeks. Regular incline decline & flys were kind of average which is not bad pre fatigued after warmup & building up shorter sets to check for a PR attempt.
RockyP
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Brother Pls understand I mean you no disrespect with this question but I have to ask. You’re running Trenbolone in your cycle and benching 225-235 lbs? Are you getting over an injury? I wasn’t sure if I was missing something.
Mfras
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Yeah I’ve had some setbacks. Determined to get legit strong again before I’m too old, and get lean too. It’ll be a short PED career and I’m not a bodybuilder, but I’m not afraid to leverage the drugs to reach my goals.
Tren was supposed to just be a low dose experiment to see if I tolerated it for possible future use- all the hype had me convinced I’d summon demons before I hit 100mg/week, but I’m up 300ish and nothing good or bad happened yet.
RockyP
Member
That’s a hell of a break. Like I said brother meant no disrespect at all was just inquiring. Just be careful with stuff like Tren and Anadrol. They’ll get you stronger faster than your connective tissue can handle.
Mfras
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None taken!
Mfras
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Up to my maximum possible planned dose now 50mg/day 350mg/week. Evening heartburn had been threatening to show but one tum before bed had stopped it from ever creeping up to actual discomfort. That seems to have stopped. Pip has improved as well- the Ace definitely has more burn to it than anything else I pin including 400mg/ml test cyp and 200mg/ml mast P which never bothered me. But maybe I’m getting used to the ester.
Vivid wierd dreams are back, and I haven’t woken up in a puddle but did have wet legs last night when I woke up to pee. Probably a good sign that I’m burning fat while sleeping I guess. I’m drinking 1.5 gallons of water including a half gallon while I watch tv with my wife before bed, so the waking up to pee thing isn’t concerning and hasn’t been darker than usual.
Cardio has been kind of the same, noticably sweatier LISS but not getting winded. BP is slightly higher but still under hypertension- it always flirted with hypertension when I was (much) fatter but that settled into normal range along with lipids when I got under 20%bf.
Had some voracious hunger after pushing brutal workouts this week. And went 1000 over my target number one day when I went to a family party- my usual 500ish cal daily deficit being interrupted with one day of 500 surplus doesn’t concern me though it’s just a blip and my weekly avg was still 2100ish iirc. I have been trying to slam what little carbs I consume (≈145g/day lately) before workouts to maximize performance and give the drugs a chance to show what they can do.
Total body weight has increased from my now interrupted cutting cycle low of 253-255ish to a current hovering at 256-259ish. So my usual -1 lb/week cutting schedule has been interrupted by the tren experiment. But pumped vascularity has exploded in my quads, calves, arms. Seeing new depth in ditches at lower lat insertions and possible reduction in stubborn lovehandle fat.
I still have 20-25lbs to cut to reach my first goal, but this break in progress has been fun so far and having already cut ≈100-120lbs fat I don’t mind taking a break from progress for some weeks. Any potential strength gains I end up keeping can only serve to increase tdee and make the end of the cut go smoother.
Holding now at 350mg- a strong demon summoning. No more titrating up. Will the tren demons stoke the fires of hypertrophy? Will I begin to see behavioral and mood changes? Will I not see them and my wife will have to tell me? So far I feel myself, kind, sensitive, maybe a little sappy which is honestly the default, even at 20 e2. No anger or depression. Dick works and I was already a freak so no new perversions and wife is onboard or wierder than me .
The experiment continues. It’s looking like I am ending up accidently running a whole ass cycle here- results would have been more dramatic if I started leaner than 17%, or ran longer than the 4-6 weeks I’m planning if no discomfort forces dropping the tren. But if I end up making it that long I’ll get bloodwork and a dexa to have a report card and really see how much damage and recomp was leveraged by banging what looks like differential oil from a rock crawler that’s forded some deep water…
Vivid wierd dreams are back, and I haven’t woken up in a puddle but did have wet legs last night when I woke up to pee. Probably a good sign that I’m burning fat while sleeping I guess. I’m drinking 1.5 gallons of water including a half gallon while I watch tv with my wife before bed, so the waking up to pee thing isn’t concerning and hasn’t been darker than usual.
Cardio has been kind of the same, noticably sweatier LISS but not getting winded. BP is slightly higher but still under hypertension- it always flirted with hypertension when I was (much) fatter but that settled into normal range along with lipids when I got under 20%bf.
Had some voracious hunger after pushing brutal workouts this week. And went 1000 over my target number one day when I went to a family party- my usual 500ish cal daily deficit being interrupted with one day of 500 surplus doesn’t concern me though it’s just a blip and my weekly avg was still 2100ish iirc. I have been trying to slam what little carbs I consume (≈145g/day lately) before workouts to maximize performance and give the drugs a chance to show what they can do.
Total body weight has increased from my now interrupted cutting cycle low of 253-255ish to a current hovering at 256-259ish. So my usual -1 lb/week cutting schedule has been interrupted by the tren experiment. But pumped vascularity has exploded in my quads, calves, arms. Seeing new depth in ditches at lower lat insertions and possible reduction in stubborn lovehandle fat.
I still have 20-25lbs to cut to reach my first goal, but this break in progress has been fun so far and having already cut ≈100-120lbs fat I don’t mind taking a break from progress for some weeks. Any potential strength gains I end up keeping can only serve to increase tdee and make the end of the cut go smoother.
Holding now at 350mg- a strong demon summoning. No more titrating up. Will the tren demons stoke the fires of hypertrophy? Will I begin to see behavioral and mood changes? Will I not see them and my wife will have to tell me? So far I feel myself, kind, sensitive, maybe a little sappy which is honestly the default, even at 20 e2. No anger or depression. Dick works and I was already a freak so no new perversions and wife is onboard or wierder than me .
The experiment continues. It’s looking like I am ending up accidently running a whole ass cycle here- results would have been more dramatic if I started leaner than 17%, or ran longer than the 4-6 weeks I’m planning if no discomfort forces dropping the tren. But if I end up making it that long I’ll get bloodwork and a dexa to have a report card and really see how much damage and recomp was leveraged by banging what looks like differential oil from a rock crawler that’s forded some deep water…
Mfras
Member
At this point my only real concern is that I’m ending up ‘wasting’ a good cycle and the newby gains that can accompany a first exposure to a new compound. Of course if I had waited to be 10-12% before starting I would be seeing much more dramatic hardening and vascularity type physical transformation. And of course finding out that (so far) I tolerate the harshest compound I would consider using pretty well is concerning. Even if I make it to 6 weeks feeling fine and in the unlikely event that bloodwork looks pretty good I’ll still have an abundance of respect for the compound’s ability to smooth the wrinkles in my brain and fuck my organ & circulatory health in sneaky permanent ways.
BigDadd7
Member
The thing is, lots of people get 3 or 4 weeks in and think they're "handling it" just fine. It's barely reaching full saturation at that point. Don't go crazy with it just yet. When/if the sides hit, it can get ugly fast and you'll be a month out from relief.
Mfras
Member
You mean it’s easier to summon demons than it is to stuff them back down to hell ?
I do think I’m funny but the warning is appreciated. Treading lightly and hoping that using acetate ester will back me out of trouble if/when it gets rocky.
