hudson98
Banned
the fucking fat idiot is obsessed and derailing every thread with this nonsense. he's 14% I hit 5.9% on the in body I guess he wants a pic.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
lukiss96
Well-known Member
Funny how "fat idiot" is in better shape than 90% of population.
5.9% if that was even real, it is disgusting af look anyway. Eat some food man, you look skinny and anorexic. What are you 5'9 and 160-170 something? Your idol Pitt in FC looks better lol. I prefer to look like Thor anyway. Oh but you are too short anyway, so yeah, reach negative bf % man...
Still talk and no show, classic.
I will be careful listening to a guy with a picture of his face and distinctive marks posted on a steroid forum
And one more thing. Coleman has got in good shape and had no idea what was he doing.
There is people in prisons that are in good shape and they do only some minor exercises not knowing much about training.
Or there are people that can win a men physique contest and they only are workers who do labor in construction for example.
Being in a certain shape doesn't mean much.
Tren is over rated. Is good but is nothing magic as you want to get out of it. Is no nectar of gods or whatever name is popular to claim.
But after the last time when I had read the comparison between cows and human on what dose should someone take has give me a picture of what you know about it and how you view tren as a substance.
Tren is doing his job but will not pack 5× more muscle than any other steroid and dosages are particular to the guy who is taking like any other substance.
Is not tren at 400mg for everyone or 600 or 500 test for everyone. Things are more complex but simple if you understand the concept of mg/kg and individual doses and substance for each one
Also is individual response to each substance and so on...
Not going in details as is no point because you will keep your speech. You aren’t open to listen
There is people in prisons that are in good shape and they do only some minor exercises not knowing much about training.
Or there are people that can win a men physique contest and they only are workers who do labor in construction for example.
Being in a certain shape doesn't mean much.
Tren is over rated. Is good but is nothing magic as you want to get out of it. Is no nectar of gods or whatever name is popular to claim.
But after the last time when I had read the comparison between cows and human on what dose should someone take has give me a picture of what you know about it and how you view tren as a substance.
Tren is doing his job but will not pack 5× more muscle than any other steroid and dosages are particular to the guy who is taking like any other substance.
Is not tren at 400mg for everyone or 600 or 500 test for everyone. Things are more complex but simple if you understand the concept of mg/kg and individual doses and substance for each one
Also is individual response to each substance and so on...
Not going in details as is no point because you will keep your speech. You aren’t open to listen
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Astartes
Well-known Member
Quite frankly. You do.
When you do it is senseless.
I get it with the pics. Show me proof you know what you are saying by demonstrating real gains and real knowledge though practical application.
Problem is, depending on country and job position… exposing one’s self in this forum can be inciting investigation or simply social or work exposure.
Personally, I don’t want some person I work with to see me and dox. It takes one sneaky POS to create a lot of issues in todays world of online doxxing.
Seen it happen over and over and over.
So when you challenge folks who may not be willing to post proof, you potentially alienate vets and highly accomplished men and women who could look much like PaLifter. (… and otherwise befriend you) More folks than you think on this forum are built like him… zero pics. ( I admire his knowledge and input greatly… particularly given his age.)
Just breathe.
Be a positive impact on the community and dial back the challenges. (I’m guilty myself for my own reasons of recently taking slight to someone here on one occasion and letting the infantile piece of me challenge him back by taking a swipe.)
Let people challenge you intellectually, Stay cool and sharp. If they don’t… FIDO…
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hudson98
Banned
you are correct on tren. its a good drug but all these kids and guys 14 percent saying its the god of nectar and shit and they have veins popping ou their eyeballs and when they run tren the girls stop and stare, LMAO, clowns. tren is useful for recomposition but so are many drugs
Slowww
Well-known Member
Yeah I agree w/ you about this. in all honesty it’s totally ok if people are not comfortable posting images of their bodies online... privacy reasons are definitely probably the main reasons for most and everyone has a right to this.
Just because someone doesn’t want to post images doesn’t mean they can’t give solid input or advice. Conversely every guy who is jacked & huge/shredded isn’t always going to be right about certain things or about doing it in a healthy way.
Steroids are also used for various purposes by different people and not everyone is using them for the physique or even care about image, and care about performance or even quality of life, so it’s kind of a null point. If they care only about physique sure it makes sense to judge based on physique, but some of the strongest guys on steroids definitely don’t look like a bodybuilder peaking for a show. IE strongmen don’t stereotypically have the super juiced look but I wouldn’t write off their advice just because they aren’t concerned with BF%.
Slowww
Well-known Member
Might have to give this a go eventually to compare then & look into the research. Sounds like it would be pretty good on a cut & dealing with catabolism rather than using tren for the same reason.
The only drawbacks that is concerning about primo in contrast to other anabolics is the effect on muscle type. For the non-bodybuilder I feel like tren might be a more helpful tool even though it’s less healthy because it will not cause a change from fast twitch to slow twitch muscle fiber, which research shows primo to do.
All Nats McGee
Well-known Member
I think you can grow somewhat equally all these doses except you would have to make sure the primo doesn’t lower your E2 to much. But I’d prefer the 150 test and 40mg var. you probably get 90% the same results as with the tren. At least for my body.
Only problem is you would need to run the var for 10+ weeks which is long for a oral. But running var for that length you will really see it shine at the end with the reduction in belly fat/lower back fat.
I’m honestly curious what you look like buddy. You post on PM about gear advice all the time trying to copy other peoples cycles/constantly tweaking yours and you’re often told the same advice there’s no magic stack.
Rido
Subscriber
I have the magic stack. Pay me 2k to release it to you
bigjuicyballs
New Member
Did you run any liver protocol following the anavar? I ran 50mg for 4 weeks and was shocked to see what it did to my liver enzymes. Ordering some NAC and TUDCA as we speak
Ridethelightningbarefoot
Well-known Member
No. I also ran 75mg of drol for 12 and im fine
Klimmzugernie
Well-known Member
I really have doubts that you will find just one person who fully understand the metabolic pathway of trenbolone and recommend it's general usage for your purpose.
Tren at any dose is the most stupid drug you could take if your are not in the last weeks of prep.
I took last summer 375mg test 175 mast and 175 tren.
I got string as fuck, lost a lot of water in the first week of this cycle and git very lean and these nice round tren shoulders.
I liked my look and the changes I did within a very short period of time.
But I fucked my lipids, it affected my liver transaminases, creatinine was higher then usual (much higher dosed cycles with test, mast npp).
I got bad mood, was aggressive... I was able to control it but it was so annoying to monitor myself what I say and how I react. I had to think twice about what I do every time to treat my wife in the best possible way...
Tren is pain in the ass for usual body goals.
The best I found for me:
350 test p, 175 NPP, 175 Primo.
My look is round and full. Libido and erection quality is absolutely ok. I have no sides which requires any caber oder an AI.
BP is good.
Absolutely NO negative sides in blood work just a very little low HDL and slightly elevated LDL but my doctor say it is absolutely acceptable.
The body transformation is slower, my weights I can move are lower compared to my tren cycle but I grew bigger on npp and primo. I am able to keep my size longer while cruising in 350 test.
I am feeling great, not like an asshole, i am healthy.
To make s long story short. Take the healthy drugs also in low dosages and you will have better and healthier results long term wise as with tren
Tren at any dose is the most stupid drug you could take if your are not in the last weeks of prep.
I took last summer 375mg test 175 mast and 175 tren.
I got string as fuck, lost a lot of water in the first week of this cycle and git very lean and these nice round tren shoulders.
I liked my look and the changes I did within a very short period of time.
But I fucked my lipids, it affected my liver transaminases, creatinine was higher then usual (much higher dosed cycles with test, mast npp).
I got bad mood, was aggressive... I was able to control it but it was so annoying to monitor myself what I say and how I react. I had to think twice about what I do every time to treat my wife in the best possible way...
Tren is pain in the ass for usual body goals.
The best I found for me:
350 test p, 175 NPP, 175 Primo.
My look is round and full. Libido and erection quality is absolutely ok. I have no sides which requires any caber oder an AI.
BP is good.
Absolutely NO negative sides in blood work just a very little low HDL and slightly elevated LDL but my doctor say it is absolutely acceptable.
The body transformation is slower, my weights I can move are lower compared to my tren cycle but I grew bigger on npp and primo. I am able to keep my size longer while cruising in 350 test.
I am feeling great, not like an asshole, i am healthy.
To make s long story short. Take the healthy drugs also in low dosages and you will have better and healthier results long term wise as with tren
If you're having a hard time with your temper, etc., there's a simple remedy that WILL help, it's the reason I don't go off the rails when I'm using tren, even at 400mg. per.I hope it gets better with age lol, but as of right now I think this cycle is kicking my ass a bit somehow.
Btw when I was 24 I was out of control, like a powerful bmw with traction control off lol... So I think you're doing better than me
Type-IIx
Well-known Member
I understand Tren better than most I think, and I still believe its use is often rational in spite of its particular cardiac & renal harms. It can be used to accomplish things no combination of "safer" compounds can (at doses far below what are commonly used in practice) and can be used to reduce the duration of exposure to high androgen concentrations.
Nobody can stand in another's shoes and perform their risk balancing for them.
Note too that androgen capacity-resilience (a concept I've come up with to best explain response-tolerability profiles that differ between persons) varies widely, from hypo-responders that experience profound side effects to hyper-responders that expereince virtually no side effects. These forums select for the former (people sharing "war stories" and ruminating over their low androgen-capacity resilience [bottom-left of the curve]).
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bigjuicyballs
New Member
The main reason I like tren is because I get SO much bang for my buck. I only run 10mg/day and get more potency from this than even larger doses of other common AAS. I guess I really am a hyper-responder
No sides whatsoever except some tren moonface (is this prolactin related?) and complete body stiffening pumps which Im still trying to figure out a solution too. What do you think would be causing the tren moonface for me? After all, theoretically you would think tren is a pretty dry compound, and while my body certainly is dry, my face is def 'pouchy'
This is so fucking true and a fantastic observation.
In general, the level of survivorship bias in the fitness/bodybuilding world is staggering and has caused major, major issues.
A basic example would be the massive obsession with the big three compound barbell lifts. Some people have no business EVER touching those lifts, and a large % of people have no business touching them without working up to them along with significant technique/form work.
So, 10 guys walk into the gym and get told by the big guys there to get under the bar and squat or you're a bitch. A very high % of them destroy their bodies and get nowhere, and quit.
Meanwhile, the small % who are lucky enough to get away with that join the other big strong guys at the gym telling the newbies to stop being a bitch and get under the bar.
The same phenomenon is absolutely true with PED use as well ("anything under 600mg of Primo and 80mg/day of Anadrol is a waste of time!!!11") with possibly (probably?) even more deleterious health consequences, especially as PED use goes more mainstream.
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Type-IIx
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Yep! It is a fact that the big three are subpar exercises for those not built for them (broad-shouldered, short-armed mesomorphs for the bench press; quad-dominant, optimal tibia/femur ratio for the squat and long arms favoring the deadlift in addition to a longer femur). This excludes many. Then, these exercises are not even optimal stimuli for the target musculature. They are middling at best exercises for hypertrophy.
Now when it comes to training, or exercise science or whatever you want to call it, there is very wide inter-individual heterogeneity in response. To any given intervention (call it training program, or training methods), there are not only your typical responders, but hyper-, hypo-, and even - (in every program) - those that actually get worse, as in weaker and that actually lose muscle - to the same intervention when the sample is random and representative of the general population.
I think that those that reach an advanced status (the outliers, the remarkably muscular and strong guys) are usually those that filter through from some combination of early success (hyper-responders) and those that had to commit to a resistance training program for their sport. You'd think, and this may be a faulty assumption, that guys that use steroids are typically those that see this early success or hyper- response to training, but become frustrated by the inevitable diminishing returns.
I hope that very few that reach the boards are those seeking a silver bullet.
So, as I see it it, those that are on these boards are a mostly heterogeneous mix of hyper- responders and those frustrated by their lack of hyper-response.
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Now I think that the phenomena we described are two sides of the same coin. They are both selection biases.
You're describing survivorship bias: this bias is typified by reference to the personas or individuals that would succeed often in spite of what they do rather than because of it. Anything put out there by these high status personas could be received as "gospel" by the normo- & hypo- responders, rather than their information being evaluated by its merits. This can be especially pernicious.
What I previously described was non-responder bias: this bias is typified by discussions about PEDs/drugs. Where the salient "war stories" (e.g., Tren) are shared by those with perhaps less than favorable androgen capacity/resilience (and later recalled more vividly by readers, inducing a recall bias [cherry-picking]), while those who experienced mild or no side effects and average or above average gains likely don't even reply (because these discussions becomes an echo chamber of sharing the more scintillating and perhaps even salacious aspects of the drug]).
Both are what seem to rise to the top or to the attention on social media, including bodybuilding forums. These are the elements that drive clicks/views and discussion.
What I try to do is - well, enjoy it (unless dangerous in the unusual case of pernicious survivorship bias where dangerous advice could be disseminated despite a lack of trustworthiness or sound rationality of their advice), because these discussions are scintillating and salient. I enjoy these memes in the true sense of the word (meme as a cultural unit that evolves and propagates). But I also try to, as best as I can, weigh these anecdotes against the larger universe of heterogeneity in individual responses and a presumed normal distribution, accepting that this board and our community is a subculture (largely influenced by early responders/hyper-responders and prone to "war stories" about drugs).
