low reps or high reps which is better for bulking

good advice. Really just get some protein(i like allthewhey.com) and some dextrose or maltodextrin from proteinfactory. and creatine from dpsnutrion. They have the micronized creat. 2000 grams for around 40 bucks total. Depending on your diet if you need the flax oil or other efa's. These will supplement your diet and wont cost much. the protein is around 40 bucks for 10 lbs. the malto is only a couple of bucks per pound i believe.
eleven11 said:
Thats hard to say, I'm not big on a lot of supps. Just eat very good food ,I take a multi vitamin, and drink 2-3 protein shakes per day. They have alot of different nutriants in them, I also use alot of flax seed oil and olive oil in my shakes or food. I'm sure some other guys will have other suggestions. Just don't waste your money on a bunch of crap.......11

also If your just getting going dont think about other "suppliments" for awhile....11
 
thick said:
good advice. Really just get some protein(i like allthewhey.com) and some dextrose or maltodextrin from proteinfactory. and creatine from dpsnutrion. They have the micronized creat. 2000 grams for around 40 bucks total. Depending on your diet if you need the flax oil or other efa's. These will supplement your diet and wont cost much. the protein is around 40 bucks for 10 lbs. the malto is only a couple of bucks per pound i believe.
TY
 
I'll throw some thoughts on training out. Squat, bench, dealift, BARBELL row.

Not to pat myself on the back, but I created a program for myself that I think would work very well for anyone looking to put some beef on their body. It's on the thread by me entitled something like "New routine...give me a hand"

The cleans might be hard for a beginner, but you'll be beginner at cleans whenever you start them, so no time like the present. Or, if you don't like that one, the 5X5 in the JS thread will work wonders for you.
 
I like 5x5's, but with cleans/snatches I stick with 3's. I'm too retarded to maintain form after the third rep.

For a beginner wanting to build a foundation, I like the following:

Week 1:
Mon: Squat 3x5
Wed: Bench 3x5
Fri: Dead 3x5

Week 2: 25-50 lbs more
Mon: Squat 3x3
Wed: Bench 3x3
Fri: Deadlift 3x3

These are all work sets, not warmups, btw. Important: 2 min rest between sets (short rest is the key to developing quick recovery). Keep the same poundages until you can move up, but you still have to be 25-50 lbs more on the 3x3 week. Keep this up for 8 weeks.

This routine is a good intro to weightlifting, and keeps the lifter from getting discouraged. If a new lifter eats everything clean in sight during this eight weeks, I guarantee he'll be stronger. For following lifting cycles, more technical lifts can be introduced.

Now, to stir some shit: Leg presses are for pump artists who don't know what functional strength is. Every time I see some joker in the gym with the press loaded up, then somebody else or another bar on top of the machine for extra weight not even going to parallel, I want to tell him to get his ass over to the stands and get a bar bending across his back.

That's right, I said PUMP ARTIST. You don't know the joy of the lift until you've gone for a max snatch and had a strap explode on you.

Oh yeah, OLD GUYS RULE! You ever have one of those days in the gym where you go back to the office, and somebody asks "How much did you lift," and you say "All of it."
 
lmao, that is awesome


[Oh yeah, OLD GUYS RULE! You ever have one of those days in the gym where you go back to the office, and somebody asks "How much did you lift," and you say "All of it."[/QUOTE]
 
Both

Learn what it means to periodize. You're at a real advantage to be starting out with the wealth of info available to you. You'll notice a lot of variation in what most people around here subscribe to as being sacred. We don't all agree on every thing, but some principles hold true no matter who you talk to:

1. You must lift a weight heavy enough to enter the anaerobic/fast twitch threshhold. That means it should be 60% of your 1 rep max or over.

2. Loads of 90% 1RM and above are neuromuscular trainers (simply stated they don't make you as big as lessor loads). (1&2 gives you your load range.

3. Progressive loading correllates with hypertrophy. That means you should lift progressively heavier loads.

4. Each joint articulation needs to be trained with the most effective exercise(s) and ineffective or low load exercises should be eliminated. (this usually means getting rid of most if not all isolation exercises and relying almost exclusively on free weights unless special circumstances requires you to use machines). Let me put an end to the falsely created machines vs. free weights debate. Work = stimulus for growth. Free weights = more work than machines. It's that simple.

5. Frequent stimulation is superior to infrequent stimulation. This dictates your volume. Use enough volume to stimulate growth but not so much that it limits your frequency of training.

Good luck.
 
Ramstein II said:
Learn what it means to periodize. You're at a real advantage to be starting out with the wealth of info available to you. You'll notice a lot of variation in what most people around here subscribe to as being sacred. We don't all agree on every thing, but some principles hold true no matter who you talk to:

1. You must lift a weight heavy enough to enter the anaerobic/fast twitch threshhold. That means it should be 60% of your 1 rep max or over.

2. Loads of 90% 1RM and above are neuromuscular trainers (simply stated they don't make you as big as lessor loads). (1&2 gives you your load range.

3. Progressive loading correllates with hypertrophy. That means you should lift progressively heavier loads.

4. Each joint articulation needs to be trained with the most effective exercise(s) and ineffective or low load exercises should be eliminated. (this usually means getting rid of most if not all isolation exercises and relying almost exclusively on free weights unless special circumstances requires you to use machines). Let me put an end to the falsely created machines vs. free weights debate. Work = stimulus for growth. Free weights = more work than machines. It's that simple.

5. Frequent stimulation is superior to infrequent stimulation. This dictates your volume. Use enough volume to stimulate growth but not so much that it limits your frequency of training.

Good luck.
Thanks for the info guys u rock. I just got back from the gym it was chest day and I was able to do 225 for 15, 245 for 11, 285 for 6 ROAR im a monster...lol...joke
 
Ramstein II said:
Learn what it means to periodize. You're at a real advantage to be starting out with the wealth of info available to you. You'll notice a lot of variation in what most people around here subscribe to as being sacred. We don't all agree on every thing, but some principles hold true no matter who you talk to:

1. You must lift a weight heavy enough to enter the anaerobic/fast twitch threshhold. That means it should be 60% of your 1 rep max or over.

2. Loads of 90% 1RM and above are neuromuscular trainers (simply stated they don't make you as big as lessor loads). (1&2 gives you your load range.

3. Progressive loading correllates with hypertrophy. That means you should lift progressively heavier loads.

4. Each joint articulation needs to be trained with the most effective exercise(s) and ineffective or low load exercises should be eliminated. (this usually means getting rid of most if not all isolation exercises and relying almost exclusively on free weights unless special circumstances requires you to use machines). Let me put an end to the falsely created machines vs. free weights debate. Work = stimulus for growth. Free weights = more work than machines. It's that simple.

5. Frequent stimulation is superior to infrequent stimulation. This dictates your volume. Use enough volume to stimulate growth but not so much that it limits your frequency of training.

Good luck.
1. I hear it's 50% 2. the reason very heavy loads don't increase muscle size as much as lighter loads,is because there is less work being done,and your body doesn't see a reason to increase muscular size,as much,only strength through nerve stimulation. 3. You don't have to keep increasing the weight,in order to keep increasing muscular size,you just have to keep increasing the work load. 4. It's sounds like you are refering to ALL machines,but i must be mistaken. I agree that the ones that put your body in unatural possitions,should be avoided. 5. Frequent stimulation? Well,that depends what you mean by Frequent. Frequent stimulation is great for endurance athletes. Atrophy doesn't start at 72hrs or less,after a muscle is trained. It can take weeks before a muscle is fully recovered,depending on your size and intensity of your workouts. :)
 
1.) No comment.

2.) True in a way, there is no reason to increase muscular size....rather, building efficient recruitment and rate of force development is what is important....and of course contractile protein strength.....which, for the most part, does not require that the body increase mass much.

3.) If increasing work was all that was important, than one could simply continue to add repetitions to his exercises and thus increase the amount of mechanical work per session. This theory breaks down as the training load intensity is reduced through acclimation, increased strength endurance, etc. For example, if you can curl a 50# barbell 10X today and curl it 50X at some point in the future, it does not necessarily mean that your arms will be as large as that of someone who can curl 250# 10X....and indeed, the amount of mechanical work is equal. In the preceding case, such high repetition training contributes to strength endurance....how far can you go with sarcoplasmic hypertrophy on 20 reps vs. 30? 30 vs 40? 40 vs 50? You see.....at some point, you cannot swell the bag up any further, it becomes necessary to thicken the contractile elements themselves in order to gain mass.

4.) Machines are less efficient in training. Not one machine that I can think of, aside from perhaps a high pulley, can duplicate a natural movement with load placed on the body. All machines either have a fulcrum, or a linear bearing or a fixed arc and are thus not natural movements. Its not simply a case where the meso-ites say "Machines suck", there are plenty of published works by very well respected authors regarding these very issues.....Bompa, Siff, et al.

5.) This topic warrants a very in-depth discussion but unfortunately, I do not have a couple of hours to rattle off on the keyboard. If you subscribe to the fitness/fatigue method of training, there is a training effect after each session (consider it a positive) with a corresponding debit in fatigue. After a relatively short period of time, this fatigue is reduced and the training effect is still positive. By training again, you build upon the training effect while simultaneously making another debit in the fatigue account. If this scenario is managed properly, through periodization methods, it is the most efficient method of training and I assure you that the method is used extensively in the training of world-class athletes. Bodybuilding suffers from a number of sociological issues....perhaps the mundane act of following a calendar week schedule is the greatest culprit, perhaps the lack of precise measurability is another factor (you cannot measure physique as easily as tonnage lifted, etc) . ....all told, recreational bodybuilding and fitness geekdom has acquired the belief that training 1x per week is all that is necessary....and it works for a good number of people, however, it is not the most efficient method of training. Barring use of dangerous anabolic steroids, many lose the majority of the training effect as a result of cortisol and inactivity between training sessions on certain muscle groups. It could be argued that the lumbar region and thighs warrant 5-7 days of recuperation between sessions and I certainly would not argue in that regard. However, I would argue that training the chest, shoulders, lats, calves, and arms once a week is less than optimum. Mind you, the president's council on physical fitness recommends 2 days of weight training for the whole body per week as a means of maintaining fitness. .....we know the government is stupid but even they caught on.
 
MANWHORE said:
Atrophy doesn't start at 72hrs or less,after a muscle is trained. It can take weeks before a muscle is fully recovered,depending on your size and intensity of your workouts. :)

Did you mean "hypertophy"? If so, then are you smoking crack? There's a very interesting post by Bryan Haycock somewheres in this forum that says if you train for 10 days straight, you'll still obtain the desired training response.

Note: I'm exagerating slightly, but the point is the same.
 
Grizzly said:
Did you mean "hypertophy"? If so, then are you smoking crack? There's a very interesting post by Bryan Haycock somewheres in this forum that says if you train for 10 days straight, you'll still obtain the desired training response.

Note: I'm exagerating slightly, but the point is the same.
No,i meant Atrophy. I guess it just all depends how hard you train
 
I don't understand the post at all then. What does atrophy starting after 72hrs and a muscle recovering in a week or more have to do with each other?
 
Grizzly said:
I don't understand the post at all then. What does atrophy starting after 72hrs and a muscle recovering in a week or more have to do with each other?
Because a muscle can't shrink,if it's not yet fully recovered. Some people think you have to train every day or the muscle will shrink. Maybe some people do,i don't know. I know i can take weeks off without losing any noticable muscle,if any at all. There are so many ways to train for size/strength. I think that's what i was getting at yesterday. I'm too tired to read my post/reply
 
MANWHORE said:
Because a muscle can't shrink,if it's not yet fully recovered. Some people think you have to train every day or the muscle will shrink. Maybe some people do,i don't know. I know i can take weeks off without losing any noticable muscle,if any at all. There are so many ways to train for size/strength. I think that's what i was getting at yesterday. I'm too tired to read my post/reply
Waiting for full recovery will ultimately slow your progress in the gym. A muscle DOES NOT need to be fully recovered in order to hit it again. Now, were talking sensible lifting, not sets to failure, forced reps, negatives, etc.
 
MANWHORE said:
Because a muscle can't shrink,if it's not yet fully recovered. Some people think you have to train every day or the muscle will shrink. Maybe some people do,i don't know. I know i can take weeks off without losing any noticable muscle,if any at all. There are so many ways to train for size/strength. I think that's what i was getting at yesterday. I'm too tired to read my post/reply

The first sentence is false under a few different conditions.

The fourth sentence can be true providing that the variable 'weeks' is somewhere between 1 and 3. Neural coordination and rate of force production begins to decay in as little as a week.

The fifth sentence is vague and can be either true or false depending on the type of strength that is considered.

The seventh sentence suggests that the author is in need of additional rest :D
 
Bob Smith said:
Waiting for full recovery will ultimately slow your progress in the gym. A muscle DOES NOT need to be fully recovered in order to hit it again. Now, were talking sensible lifting, not sets to failure, forced reps, negatives, etc.
I'm talking failure through full range failure followed by partial failure followed by static failure. It's the only way i train. I don't think everyone should train to failure in partial or static but i think,at least,full range failure should be a priority. We are talking about 2 different workouts.
 
See, thats why you (a failure type guy) cannot possibly train a bodypart every 2-4 days. IMO, you are making a mistake and sabbotaging your results.
 
Hogg said:
The first sentence is false under a few different conditions.

The fourth sentence can be true providing that the variable 'weeks' is somewhere between 1 and 3. Neural coordination and rate of force production begins to decay in as little as a week.

The fifth sentence is vague and can be either true or false depending on the type of strength that is considered.

The seventh sentence suggests that the author is in need of additional rest :D
yes,the 7th sentence is true
:) Glad i got home early today. Maybe i should say the 1st sentence like this. If proper nutrition and rest are givin,muscle tissue will not be lost,if the muscle is not yet recovered,from the previous workout.
 
Bob Smith said:
See, thats why you (a failure type guy) cannot possibly train a bodypart every 2-4 days. IMO, you are making a mistake and sabbotaging your results.
How are you keeping track of your strength,if your not going to failure?
 
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