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Is there such a thing as a beer belly?


Alcohol contains 7 kilocalories per gramme. Forty grammes of alcohol (which corresponds to four 25 cl glasses of lager) contains as many calories as 70 g of sugar. As a comparison, four glasses of soft drink (eg. coke) contain as many calories as 132 g of sugar, which is twice as many as four glasses of lager. Beers with a higher alcohol content contain more calories. Wines and spirits contain more calories than beer. Drinking beer in moderate quantities will not necessarily mean putting on weight, which has been confirmed in recent research on beer consumption and obesity. In a group of people who had drunk beer over the previous year there were fewer obese people (> 30 kg/m2) than in the group that had not drunk any beer at all. After correcting for all co-factors (such as smoking, age, sex, etc) it was found that beer consumption does not increase the amount of obesity. The data will be looked at later in this chapter.
An isocalorific diet means that the excessive drinker leaves out other (frequently essential) components of food and opts for a more “consistent” diet.

The idea that beer makes people fat probably has its origins in the lifestyle and eating habits that are often coupled with beer drinking. Drinking beer increases the appetite and alcohol also relaxes control over our eating behaviour. Heavy beer drinkers generally go for fatty calorific food (snacks, chips, sausages, nuts, etc) and generally do little exercise. Research has also shown that the bodies of people who drink a lot of beer burn less fat. The body is probably inclined to burn the alcohol first. The excess fat has to go somewhere and is accumulated above the abdominal muscles. The result is well known.

The so-called beer belly is thus not a direct effect of high beer consumption, but rather the unhealthy diet and lifestyle coupled with it, in combination with reduced fat combustion by the body. It is thus better to have beer as a component of the diet rather than a stimulant consumed separately from meals (beer already has this image).
 
that last one still kinda supports grizzly's point. That beer drinking can decrease fat burning and "therefore it must be stored somewhere" and it was summarized with the statement that alcohol consumption results in reduced fat combustion I am still not involved in this argument though :)
 
The question is whether there is a direct relationship between fat storage in the abdominal region and alcohol.
 
From the research I've found there have been studies arguing both points, different studies have gotten different results and different results mean different answers, if alcohol did have a direct effect on fat storage in the belly there would have been a positive result each time. Consider reasons for the studies that did get positve results, for instance my post on smoking, or my original post, genetic predispostion, here's a little info on that.
Wednesday, 8 January, 2003, 00:00 GMT
Beer belly 'gene' found


Genes could predict which men will get a beer belly

Genetic make-up could be to blame for the beer belly.
Scientists have found that men with a certain gene variation have a tendency to get a flabby stomach.

Understanding genetic predisposition to weight gain is an essential step in arresting the stigma that obesity is always an individual's fault



American Obesity Association

The men were more likely to become overweight and to put on fat around their abdomen.

Experts say other factors - such as diet and exercise - also play a role in obesity.

It appears, however, that some men may be genetically programmed to get a beer belly as they get older if they lead an unhealthy lifestyle.

Fat cells

The culprit seems to be a substance called angiotensin-converting enzyme (ACE) which helps regulate blood pressure in the body.

Studies in the laboratory suggest it might also play a role in the growth of fat cells.

A team led by Pasquale Strazzullo of the University of Naples looked at several natural variations in the gene that are found in healthy men.

They found that one genetic variant (polymorphism), known as DD, is linked to developing fat around the stomach.

It seems to predict which men will put on weight and develop beer bellies as they grow older.

"DD homozygosity was associated with larger increases in body weight and blood pressure in aging persons, as well as with higher incidence of overweight," they write in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

Heart Study

The research was part of a large heart disease study of 959 men, aged between 25 and 75 years old, who work for the Italian company Olivetti.

Participants in the Olivetti Prospective Heart Study were weighed and measured, and their gene type was determined with a blood test.

Men with the DD genetic sub-type were more than twice as likely to become overweight over the course of two decades than those with a different gene type.

The authors say the study does have limitations - it only looked at Italian men and may not apply generally.

Scientists acknowledge that more research is needed to unravel the relationship between particular genes and obesity.

As genes are identified and their roles better understood, so is the fact that obesity is a chronic disease, said a spokeswoman for the American Obesity Association.

She told BBC News Online: "Understanding genetic predisposition to weight gain is an essential step in defining obesity prevention and treatment strategies, and in arresting the stigma that obesity is always an individual's fault."

Maybe we should contact myth busters?
 
"Research has also shown that the bodies of people who drink a lot of beer burn less fat. The body is probably inclined to burn the alcohol first. The excess fat has to go somewhere and is accumulated above the abdominal muscles. The result is well known. "

Whethere there are extenuating factors or not, this study say right here(and it is your study) that becasue of X+Y+Z the newfound fat is is accumulated above the abdominal muscles. Hence, a predisposition to be stored there.

I've never said that alcohol itself will make you fat. I'm well aware that there is an entire lifestyle associated with partying. However, your first study found a greater HWR in beer drinkers and the last one said it, too.
 
Damn, I just read that last study. They're not using "beer belly" to describe alcohol induced abdominal fat depostition. They're using it in a generic way to describe dude's with fat guts. No wonder you got confused. Moreover, they say that this will affect men in their later years. This in no way explains all of the 20-30 yr old guys you see in the bar every night with the skinny legs and arms and the big guts.

And that bitch at the end of the study can suck my nuts! Obesity is ALWAYS your fucking fault.
 
Grizzly said:
Damn, I just read that last study. They're not using "beer belly" to describe alcohol induced abdominal fat depostition. They're using it in a generic way to describe dude's with fat guts. No wonder you got confused. Moreover, they say that this will affect men in their later years. This in no way explains all of the 20-30 yr old guys you see in the bar every night with the skinny legs and arms and the big guts.

And that bitch at the end of the study can suck my nuts! Obesity is ALWAYS your fucking fault.

You're right, and you must not have read all of my post.
 
BLuRyReFLeXioN said:
Hi, I'm in need of alot of help from some experts. After last years football season I had some tramatic problems, and put on about 80lbs. I currently weigh 340 and my BF% is around 27%. I would like to get to around 225 or less if possible, and the faster the better (ofcourse). I would like to begin dieting, and excercising and starting to take clen, and cytomel. However from looking around the boards i noticed DNP. and ECA. My knowledge of all four items is very limited to what I've read via the internet. If I could just get info on what is the fastest, most effective weightloss aids. And what doseages etc. I'm not really worried about losing muscle mass right now either. I'd like to just lose all the fat I can as rapidly as humanly(safely) possible. If anyone has an advice on what i should/shouldnt use, what doseages are/aren't safe, and what results i should see. I would appriciate it very much. Thank you all very much in advance.

you have a PM
 
I was just giving a possibility of why some of these studies could have gotten positive results when there actualy were none, genes instead of alcohol for instance, but from researching I've found that it is most likely smoking.
 
I can see that point. However, I do have to point out that there are plenty of studies that identify alcohol as a determinant of abdominal fat storage and not one that negates this. So, without extenuating factors considered, I win.
 
well i dunno if this will settle the dispute..but from my graduation day. until late august I drank heavily EVERY day. and i didn't see a few people from my school until september and as rude as it was the one kid was like "dude ur starting to get a beer belly." and from all the drinking i did this past summer I noticed my stomach is signifigantly larger. and I never ever had a single stretch mark on my stomach region. but i got a few aftermath stretch marks from excessive drinking. Its gone down since i have been dieting, and not drinking. It is the only area I noticed that changed really. So I think there is definite proof that alchol is a cause of a beer belly.
 
BLuRyReFLeXioN said:
well i dunno if this will settle the dispute..but from my graduation day. until late august I drank heavily EVERY day. and i didn't see a few people from my school until september and as rude as it was the one kid was like "dude ur starting to get a beer belly." and from all the drinking i did this past summer I noticed my stomach is signifigantly larger. and I never ever had a single stretch mark on my stomach region. but i got a few aftermath stretch marks from excessive drinking. Its gone down since i have been dieting, and not drinking. It is the only area I noticed that changed really. So I think there is definite proof that alchol is a cause of a beer belly.
I dont think it specifically has anything to do with the beer drinking alone. Guys have a tendency to store fat in their abdominal region. No big surprise there. Its why men have a much higher rate of heart/cardiovascular disease than women, who typically store fat on their butt and legs. A lot of this has to do with the sexes hormone levels. High estrogen levels lead to the main storage area in the butt and thighs. Higher test levels means storage around your waist.

Not only that, but if you are drinking heavily every single day, you obviously have other issues going on. Your eating is shitty for sure. Were you smoking, too?

Heres another study for you meatmongers to look up. Eur J Clin Nutr, 57 : 1250-1253, 2003.
 
It doesn't have anything to do with alcohol alone, it's the lifestyle that comes with it, I do not beleive there is a direct relationship with alcohol, indirect but not direct, and storage of fat in the abdomin.
 
If you can manage to keep your calories that low, the weight will drop off......

DNP is very harshe but very very effective.....im on day 6 of a dnp cycle and have dropped 10lbs so far...

keep going mate
 

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