Hi guys
Just trying to learn a bit more about Masteron. I am wondering whether anyone knows first hand or from reading about Masteron trashing lipids. Is this dose dependent or is it like var or winny where even smaller doses trash it ?
I’m on statins so LDL management is less of an issue as is keeping HDL protected.
My interest in Masteron are to use it as a adjuvant for a primo /test cycle. While I enjoy the hardening that DHTs being to me I’m still at 16% BF so the true hardening benefits I wouldn’t look for yet.
Currently on 350 test -E and 700 primo, which I am attempting to dial back down to 600. I started with 350/500 but found that the higher primo really helped with my own e2 sides. I don’t like high or even moderate e2. The good thing is that the primo eliminated the need for arimidex for me.
I haven’t yet tested the e2 while on primo but to give you a sense:
Pre TRT/AAS test was sub 200 total test. E2 was 11.
On 100 mgs of test cyp per week my 8 week bloods took me to high 400s total test and 37 e2. Puffy face , nips etc. doc put me on arimidex 1mg 3x per week.
I ran a generous TRT cruise in the early summer (250/wk test), with the same AI protocol. E2 came in at 7. No low sides that I conplain about. No joint issues. Libido is fine (it’s actually too high for me generally). Since starting ASS I’ve also managed to lose quite a bit of weight and dropping my bf from mid-high 20% to 16 % rigjt now. Arimidex use went down to 0.5 x3.
Knowing that primo lowers e2 or however it works on e2 or its receptors /or on aromatase itself / I didn’t bother taking any since starting. I’m going off advice of my endocrinologist , whom I saw for a second opinion after my urologist first gave me 3x 1mg AI protocol; I knew this was high , having read a bunch in forums. The endo told
Me to focus more on my sides rather than just a number.
Anyway, so this seems to be a good place for me with the primo and test ratio.
So why consider Masteron now or later ?
1. If mast is more powerful as an AI /e2 symptom relief than primo I can perhaps accomplish more with less gear taken in. What’s been your experience at introducing Masteron together with an existing primo protocol , whether it’s TRT+ or a cycle ? Did you lower your primo and if so by how much ? 1:1 or a different ratio
2. Is the trashing of cholesterol dose dependent ? Or pretty much any dose , even 100-200 per week will trash HDL ? If that’s the case then mentally i will just put Masteron in the finishing drug category only as I won’t be interested in taking it as a adjuvant during an entire 12-16 week cycle but just the last 4 weeks , like var or winny
3. How’s Masteron on lipids vs var or winstrol depo (IM) ?
4. Do I need to get mast-p in order to know sooner if my hair will get nuked by Masteron ? I’m running a hair protocol (I’m prone to MPB) and so far three weeks into primo-e it seems to be ok. Holding my breadth for a few more weeks before I think that I’m in the clear. (Running fin , oral and topical min, RU, topical Dut)
There are plenty or mast vs Proviron threads here and elsewhere. I’ve taken Proviron and it’s a nice libido and mood adjuvant. I feel like if I’m on low e2 and the cranky mood because of it then Proviron can add a bit of sunshine lol. Haven’t taken more than 50 mgs per day , and not every day
Sorry for a lengthy post.
Thanks.
TLDR:
1. Is Masteron effect on lipids dose dependent ?
2. How much would you /have you lowered your primo when introducing Masteron to your test+primo stack ?
Just trying to learn a bit more about Masteron. I am wondering whether anyone knows first hand or from reading about Masteron trashing lipids. Is this dose dependent or is it like var or winny where even smaller doses trash it ?
I’m on statins so LDL management is less of an issue as is keeping HDL protected.
My interest in Masteron are to use it as a adjuvant for a primo /test cycle. While I enjoy the hardening that DHTs being to me I’m still at 16% BF so the true hardening benefits I wouldn’t look for yet.
Currently on 350 test -E and 700 primo, which I am attempting to dial back down to 600. I started with 350/500 but found that the higher primo really helped with my own e2 sides. I don’t like high or even moderate e2. The good thing is that the primo eliminated the need for arimidex for me.
I haven’t yet tested the e2 while on primo but to give you a sense:
Pre TRT/AAS test was sub 200 total test. E2 was 11.
On 100 mgs of test cyp per week my 8 week bloods took me to high 400s total test and 37 e2. Puffy face , nips etc. doc put me on arimidex 1mg 3x per week.
I ran a generous TRT cruise in the early summer (250/wk test), with the same AI protocol. E2 came in at 7. No low sides that I conplain about. No joint issues. Libido is fine (it’s actually too high for me generally). Since starting ASS I’ve also managed to lose quite a bit of weight and dropping my bf from mid-high 20% to 16 % rigjt now. Arimidex use went down to 0.5 x3.
Knowing that primo lowers e2 or however it works on e2 or its receptors /or on aromatase itself / I didn’t bother taking any since starting. I’m going off advice of my endocrinologist , whom I saw for a second opinion after my urologist first gave me 3x 1mg AI protocol; I knew this was high , having read a bunch in forums. The endo told
Me to focus more on my sides rather than just a number.
Anyway, so this seems to be a good place for me with the primo and test ratio.
So why consider Masteron now or later ?
1. If mast is more powerful as an AI /e2 symptom relief than primo I can perhaps accomplish more with less gear taken in. What’s been your experience at introducing Masteron together with an existing primo protocol , whether it’s TRT+ or a cycle ? Did you lower your primo and if so by how much ? 1:1 or a different ratio
2. Is the trashing of cholesterol dose dependent ? Or pretty much any dose , even 100-200 per week will trash HDL ? If that’s the case then mentally i will just put Masteron in the finishing drug category only as I won’t be interested in taking it as a adjuvant during an entire 12-16 week cycle but just the last 4 weeks , like var or winny
3. How’s Masteron on lipids vs var or winstrol depo (IM) ?
4. Do I need to get mast-p in order to know sooner if my hair will get nuked by Masteron ? I’m running a hair protocol (I’m prone to MPB) and so far three weeks into primo-e it seems to be ok. Holding my breadth for a few more weeks before I think that I’m in the clear. (Running fin , oral and topical min, RU, topical Dut)
There are plenty or mast vs Proviron threads here and elsewhere. I’ve taken Proviron and it’s a nice libido and mood adjuvant. I feel like if I’m on low e2 and the cranky mood because of it then Proviron can add a bit of sunshine lol. Haven’t taken more than 50 mgs per day , and not every day
Sorry for a lengthy post.
Thanks.
TLDR:
1. Is Masteron effect on lipids dose dependent ?
2. How much would you /have you lowered your primo when introducing Masteron to your test+primo stack ?
