Masteron + Primo for those sensitive to gyno

[RockyP]

Curious if any bros on here have experience with combining mast and primo (with test) in the same cycle. I know this has become popular among some professionals (Jewett is the first who comes to mind) for various reasons.

I’m not looking to run up the total mg per week, but instead am struggling with a gyno flare even with an E2 of 45. I’m running test 300 / primo 200 (yes I’m a high converter). I don’t want to run the primo higher as I feel good at this E2 level. Seems I need more help at the tissue level.

As I see it my options are to throw in some Masteron or just use Nolvadex. I’m leaning toward mast just because 1) I have some prop that needs to go and 2) it’s an anabolic with SERM properties and I’d rather use that than just a straight SERM.

Any input is appreciated.

 

[krvuxn]

Mast doesn’t help me if I start getting gyno. Currently 600 mast e and it’s not managed to protect me from gyno on this blast. I’ve started raloxifene again, always works for me.

Try the mast I guess, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t work. Then I’d definitely recommend ralox over nolva, but if you already have the nolva then why not.

 

[RockyP]

Mast doesn’t help me if I start getting gyno. Currently 600 mast e and it’s not managed to protect me from gyno on this blast. I’ve started raloxifene again, always works for me.

Try the mast I guess, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t work. Then I’d definitely recommend ralox over nolva, but if you already have the nolva then why not.

Thanks brother. And I would only be trying the mast up to 150 max. If it doesn’t work I’ll try nolva or ralox

 

[OnlyOneCycle]

Im currently running 275 test 150 Primo 175 Mast. My e2 was to high for me with 275 Test alone. Adding Primo & Mast made me feel way better + nipps got better.

 

[sneak007]

Masteron does not combat estrogen or gyno for me..
Primo does.
Raloxafene makes me feel shitty, for some reason
Nolvadex lowers IGF-1 a bit

Maybe the primo does not block estrogen in all tissues for you is what it sounds like.

 

[RockyP]

Masteron does not combat estrogen or gyno for me..
Primo does.
Raloxafene makes me feel shitty, for some reason
Nolvadex lowers IGF-1 a bit

Maybe the primo does not block estrogen in all tissues for you is what it sounds like.

The more I study the “science” behind all of this the more I realize that you just need a lot of (informed) trial and error and lots of trips to the lab for blood draws. It’s not convenient or cheap but it’s necessary. If I had just listened to conventional wisdom about primo being a strong ai and not gotten bloodwork to check I’d have bigger tits than meatloaf in Fight Club. I now run the primo higher than the test (even though E2 was 45 on a lower dose) with no issues and no more nip problems

 

[k710]

Mast doesn’t help me if I start getting gyno. Currently 600 mast e and it’s not managed to protect me from gyno on this blast. I’ve started raloxifene again, always works for me.

Try the mast I guess, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t work. Then I’d definitely recommend ralox over nolva, but if you already have the nolva then why not.

+1 for Raloxifene. You can get it scripted from online clinic and delivered quickly if you need it asap. I started getting a little gyno and freaked out so got it scripted from algorx same day and started the medicine in 2 days. Im currently taking it still, but it has reversed the issues and the nips feel better.

 

[sionnach]

How long did you end up running this combo and what were your recent labs like, @RockyP ?

 

[RockyP]

How long did you end up running this combo and what were your recent labs like, @RockyP ?

In a bizarre turn of events, when I ramped up to test 350 / primo 350, my E2 dropped to 18 (could have been a lag from when I had the primo higher than the test). I'm currently running 350 test / 280 primo, and I added in some transdermal TNE (absorbs about 20 mg test daily) for the next few weeks until the lower dose of primo is realized. I though it was just my diet and training getting to my energy / joints, but as soon as I added in the extra 20 mg test per day I started to feel much much better. And no more irritability. I overshot on the primo because of the gyno, which I've had for years and will be getting removed in the spring. Going to run this for another 4-6 weeks and then swap the primo out for Mast 350. Next primo run will be something like 300 primo, 450 test.