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[dinfar1337]

What array of tests would start to establish a baseline in identifying sources of varying hues?

hplc, gcms and nmr

but what we can use those results for, i am not smart enough to answer that. maybe if readalot or janoshik knows and can answer ill put my money up instantly.

we would also need a bigger variance of trenbolone raws or if janoshik wanna chip in with earlier tests, but keep who the tests belong to anonymous. this would 100% be a very big contribution from his side and i wouldn't expect him to put it up for free

 

[readalot]

What array of tests would start to establish a baseline in identifying sources of varying hues?

Help me understand your question better. You want to know if we can tell chemical differences in the formulations by color? See if there is correlation?

 

[readalot]

hplc, gcms and nmr

but what we can use those results for, i am not smart enough to answer that. maybe if readalot or janoshik knows and can answer ill put my money up instantly.

we would also need a bigger variance of trenbolone raws or if janoshik wanna chip in with earlier tests, but keep who the tests belong to anonymous. this would 100% be a very big contribution from his side and i wouldn't expect him to put it up for free

https://basicstero.ws/trenbolone/pharmatren-a-100

https://basicstero.ws/trenbolone

This looks cooked as well. I would think these dudes would have that temp way down. Bummer.

Key question in my mind is if you brew at room temp will certain raws still be busted? I think the answer is yes which means we need good raws and good process.

 

[readalot]

hplc, gcms and nmr

but what we can use those results for, i am not smart enough to answer that. maybe if readalot or janoshik knows and can answer ill put my money up instantly.

we would also need a bigger variance of trenbolone raws or if janoshik wanna chip in with earlier tests, but keep who the tests belong to anonymous. this would 100% be a very big contribution from his side and i wouldn't expect him to put it up for free

This would be quite some effort to identify and quantify degradation products from tren. Then isolate impurities in raws vs what is potentially made in the pot when brewing as a function of temp and time.

 

[dinfar1337]

This would be quite some effort to identify and quantify degradation products from tren. Then isolate impurities in raws vs what is potentially made in the pot when brewing as a function of temp and time.

exactly, i have enough brain to figure the hard way out which isnt gonna happen.

so we need someone with a brain to figure out a easier way

 

[readalot]

exactly, i have enough brain to figure the hard way out which isnt gonna happen.

so we need someone with a brain to figure out a easier way

Do you know why sources are cooking the shit out of tren raws at 80 deg C?

Why doesnt everyone brew at close to room temp?

Some sources really believe you need to take raw to MP in order to hold a supersaturated solution or even a saturated one?

 

[dinfar1337]

Do you know why sources are cooking the shit out of tren raws at 80 deg C?

Why doesnt everyone brew at close to room temp?

Some sources really believe you need to take raw to MP in order to hold a supersaturated solution or even a saturated one?

tren is really thick. im not really brewing anything myself but i do understand everyone finds their own comfortable way of reaching x mg per x ml and not crashing their gear with their favorite oil ratio.

its like cooking food, they get used to whats easy. and its very easy to overheat tren since its one of the thickest raws we have out there.

 

[readalot]

tren is really thick. im not really brewing anything myself but i do understand everyone finds their own comfortable way of reaching x mg per x ml and not crashing their gear with their favorite oil ratio.

its like cooking food, they get used to whats easy. and its very easy to overheat tren since its one of the thickest raws we have out there.

B(enzyl)B(enzoate) that MFer!

LFG!!!!

 

[readalot]

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Fuck that. Let's move the needle! Whatcha got?

Let's educate the community so we can inject tren instead of BBQ grill residue.

Last 7 years I thought brewers added color to make it dark cuz 10 years ago everyone demanded a darker color so it appeared it was brewed from the cattle pellets.... I always thought if it isn't tinted dark it's not real.... good info here.

• AIRBORNE DADDY

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hell yeah!

 

[B Ware]

Better.

This was back when I was a tren junkie.

 

[dinfar1337]

https://basicstero.ws/trenbolone/pharmatren-a-100

https://basicstero.ws/trenbolone

This looks cooked as well. I would think these dudes would have that temp way down. Bummer.

Key question in my mind is if you brew at room temp will certain raws still be busted? I think the answer is yes which means we need good raws and good process.

this is not even yellow anymore they made it brown like poop water.

we should label bad tren indian quality gear now

 

[readalot]

this is not even yellow anymore they made it brown like poop water.

we should label bad tren indian quality gear now

Thanks for confirming. Nice to have a knowledgeable guide. Looks like they fucked up to me.

 

[dinfar1337]

Thanks for confirming. Nice to have a knowledgeable guide. Looks like they fucked up to me.

it looks like coffee, and you can't see through it.



not much exppertise required here.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

tren is really thick. im not really brewing anything myself but i do understand everyone finds their own comfortable way of reaching x mg per x ml and not crashing their gear with their favorite oil ratio.

its like cooking food, they get used to whats easy. and its very easy to overheat tren since its one of the thickest raws we have out there.

tren is no thicker than anything else imo.

Test E is a bigger pain in the ass to filter.

 

[Photon]

Anyone has Tren raws and is willing to run experiments?

Higher solvent content, zero heat.
Normal solvent content, with heat.

Color differences?
Hex will def need more solvents without heat, but A and E are quite close.

China oils have EO, thus they require less heat, but EO by itself oxidises easily so it might not be the best long term..

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Hex will def need more solvents without heat, but A and E are quite close.

I dont think it does... but I am scared to practice on it.

It's not like I have a shit load of Tren Hex raws. its as pricey as primo

 

[readalot]

Anyone has Tren raws and is willing to run experiments?

Higher solvent content, zero heat.
Normal solvent content, with heat.

Color differences?
Hex will def need more solvents without heat, but A and E are quite close.

China oils have EO, thus they require less heat, but EO by itself oxidises easily so it might not be the best long term..

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Someone doing some room temp experiments. Will ask permission to report out.

 

[dinfar1337]

Anyone has Tren raws and is willing to run experiments?

Higher solvent content, zero heat.
Normal solvent content, with heat.

Color differences?
Hex will def need more solvents without heat, but A and E are quite close.

China oils have EO, thus they require less heat, but EO by itself oxidises easily so it might not be the best long term..

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it will be interesting to see if using oils with higher smoking point vs lower.

if we use something like avocado oil which has the highest smoking point @ 271c vs gso which has @216c, and mct which has @160c

to see if the high smoking point oils have more resistance to protect the tren.

it should be logical something with the higher smoking point will always be better

 

[cajunpauper]

Help me understand your question better. You want to know if we can tell chemical differences in the formulations by color? See if there is correlation?

Sorry for the abbreviated thought earlier; however, yes that was the direction I was going.

Hypothesis being oxidation of raws, or degradation of raw materials during the brewing process as a byproduct of inefficient brewing results in darker hues, discoloration, or a possible third option. Potentially the presence of iron or copper could result in this coloration, identified by HMA.

Collecting samples of varying intensities, ideally with one "pure" or colorless sample being as close as we can get to a control.

Spectrometry giving a numerical value to each compound based on its color, then HPLC, LCMS, GCMS, HMA etc. to start to draw a corollary. If the color is truly relevant, an increasing presence of whatever said compound responsible for the discoloration should reveal itself.

 

[Photon]

it will be interesting to see if using oils with higher smoking point vs lower.

if we use something like avocado oil which has the highest smoking point @ 271c vs gso which has @216c, and mct which has @160c

to see if the high smoking point oils have more resistance to protect the tren.

it should be logical something with the higher smoking point will always be better

If we are not using heat, then the smoking point won't matter much.
Instead of smoking point maybe we should look at fat content.

Higher levels of unsaturated fat means higher rate of oxidation.
Mig840 > Mct > BB > BA > Avocado > EO