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Photon
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I sent in an order with Matrix, will post pictures when i receive it.
Looks like Stan is closed for business.
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Uh oh. Better not talk about this.
Today, I believe all trenbolone on market is 50:50 mixture of the two steroisomers, one of which is less active than the other one.
"In stereochemistry, stereoisomers are isomeric molecules that have the same molecular formula and sequence of...
Yeah, when cattle pellets were made, they were made stereoisomerically pure.
Today, I believe all trenbolone on market is 50:50 mixture of the two steroisomers, one of which is less active than the other one.
"In stereochemistry, stereoisomers are isomeric molecules that have the same molecular formula and sequence of...
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Questions in to Jano...
Weigh in with others. Anything I missed.
Weigh in with others. Anything I missed.
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Moving your questions here @AlexDavis43. The title of the thread answers your last question. The first question shouldn't be too much effort. We have lots of examples here on MESO.
Are you joining the effort?
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I didn't see it actually. Thanks for the link.
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What a nice paper...
academic.oup.com
The authors conclude 17-beta trenbolone is the base hormone used in Revalor implant. Same for 17-beta estradiol.
Now look at which enantiomers are predominantly excreted.
More...
Characterization of trenbolone acetate and estradiol metabolite excretion profiles in implanted steers
Abstract . Exogenous growth promoters have been used in US beef cattle production for over 50 yr. The environmental fate and transport of steroid growth pr
academic.oup.com
The authors conclude 17-beta trenbolone is the base hormone used in Revalor implant. Same for 17-beta estradiol.
Now look at which enantiomers are predominantly excreted.
More...
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Perhaps we can turn this into a tren bioactivity and degradation byproducts project.
Do you know which tren ace you have in your UG gear?
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Do you know which tren ace you have in your UG gear?
Assay for trenbolone and its metabolite 17 alpha-trenbolone in bovine urine based on immunoaffinity chromatographic clean-up and off-line high-performance liquid chromatography-thin-layer chromatography - PubMed
An high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC)-thin-layer chromatography (TLC) method was developed to detect the illegal use of the xenobiotic growth promotor Trenbolone acetate (TBA). Very effective clean-up of bovine urine was achieved by immunoaffinity chromatography (IAC). The active form...
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Whoops...
Is your UG raw supplier giving your 17-beta trenbolone? Or is your 96% purity raw really 48%?
Enquiring minds want to know.
17-alpha trenbolone doesnt seem to be what you want in there with the righteous 17-beta trenbolone.
Same kind of deal just like estradiol.
**chat gpt free post **
Is your UG raw supplier giving your 17-beta trenbolone? Or is your 96% purity raw really 48%?
Enquiring minds want to know.
17-alpha trenbolone doesnt seem to be what you want in there with the righteous 17-beta trenbolone.
Same kind of deal just like estradiol.
**chat gpt free post **
Yeah.
With estradiol the difference in effectiveness is something along the lines of 40x between alpha and beta?
I believe we ought be able to tell them apart with NMR, but I've asked my brigthest minds to confirm.
And we're halfway there to getting our own.
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Yeah, NMR should be able to tell them apart.
So once we get our own, it's a fair game.
So once we get our own, it's a fair game.
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Nice graphic for folks. Thank you for the reply. I will find the answer on the E2 question. Cant remember.
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After checking with Jano it appears that HPLC plus GCMS is the best approach given the equipment they have. We can also add on consulting hours with his team to ensure 3rd party interpretation of the data.
Tdeck81
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Clarification for the Caveman Coalition…
We understand the testing will attempt to identify the potential causes of Tren degradation.
It appears this round of testing will focus on the production end of the spectrum, the “brewing” process. E.g. brew temps, purity and condition of raw material, carrier oils/ester
We also assume long term factors on the other end of the spectrum will be cost prohibitive to study, e.g. storage conditions /time and it’s affect on finished product.
Will these results be compound specific, only pertaining to Tren? Or is there potential that the findings maybe applicable to other compounds?
Thanks
We understand the testing will attempt to identify the potential causes of Tren degradation.
It appears this round of testing will focus on the production end of the spectrum, the “brewing” process. E.g. brew temps, purity and condition of raw material, carrier oils/ester
We also assume long term factors on the other end of the spectrum will be cost prohibitive to study, e.g. storage conditions /time and it’s affect on finished product.
Will these results be compound specific, only pertaining to Tren? Or is there potential that the findings maybe applicable to other compounds?
Thanks
Tdeck81
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Clarification for the Caveman Coalition…
We understand the testing will attempt to identify the potential causes of Tren degradation.
It appears this round of testing will focus on the production end of the spectrum, the “brewing” process. E.g. brew temps, purity and condition of raw material, carrier oils/ester
We also assume long term factors on the other end of the spectrum will be cost prohibitive to study, e.g. storage conditions /time and it’s affect on finished product.
Will these results be compound specific, only pertaining to Tren? Or is there potential that the findings maybe applicable to other compounds?
Thanks
We understand the testing will attempt to identify the potential causes of Tren degradation.
It appears this round of testing will focus on the production end of the spectrum, the “brewing” process. E.g. brew temps, purity and condition of raw material, carrier oils/ester
We also assume long term factors on the other end of the spectrum will be cost prohibitive to study, e.g. storage conditions /time and it’s affect on finished product.
Will these results be compound specific, only pertaining to Tren? Or is there potential that the findings maybe applicable to other compounds?
Thanks
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Yes.
Testing oils of various color (removing as many variables as we can). Also trying to get raws those vials were made from to test those as well.
Yep. For very sensitive API like tren, an antioxidant package may make sense for storage.
Tren only this round. Poster child for delicate API.
Thank you. Appreciate you helping to articulate the goals clearly.
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Also react to this post above with your vote. We got a few hundred bucks pledged so far. Will probably need at least 1500 USD for this project.
TallandSmall
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I wouldn’t worry too much about pre-commitments. I think you’ll get the funding once you are ready to move forward and actually post a crypto address for donations. Might have to switch to some fundraiser tactics when it’s time. The GH thing never went anywhere, so people might be hesitant to commit before they see that it’s actually happening. This sounds plausible and doable, so I upgraded my commitment from a like to a love. I didn’t think Tren would be in the mix of things I might try, but if someone comes out with clear Tren R (Readalot ester), I’ll have to pick one up for the collectors value if nothing else.
Photon
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1500, is for 3 different esters?
Can we start off with a single ester first?
Given that GCMS is qualitative, if there is any bit of harmful degradation present in the lightest vial, then how would we quantitative the level of degradation between the darkest vial?
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