Spaceman Spiff
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I would be more concerned about tren permanent neuro and cardiac damage than the carcinogenic portion of overcooking oil lol
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MESO-Rx
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readalot
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Good reminder. I will repost it here. So far we have data that refutes the hypothesis with the modest color generated so far. This color was generated with only heat and no signficant mixing of minor air headspace with liquid interface in vial. Oil had very low peroxide value from what I can tell (assumption based on USP MCT oil used)
Jano has shared with me he has since created a much darker sample with heat plus mixing (which I assume to be more in line with brewing process at say 1 to 5 L scale).
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readalot
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Just a guess on some if the potential chemical functional groups created. Will be interesting to see if we can detect what they are, if any.
Search results for query: Quinone
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Some additional commentary by an SST member jgsturge:
RockyP
Member
That’s got me thinking I need to toss my bourbon colored acetate and blackhaus colored enan for some fresh urine colored acetate. Will wait on the results of this testing but likely will not use those for now.Just a guess on some if the potential chemical functional groups created. Will be interesting to see if we can detect what they are, if any.
Search results for query: Quinone
Some additional commentary by an SST member jgsturge:
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readalot
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I honestly have no idea. That's why I am trying to collect the data. Where's the color line? Is there one?
I am in the same boat. Toss or not.
Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
Its an interesting experiment. I have just been finding so much futility with alot of testing for long term changes right now
I'm not bashing this anymore than any others.
With the current supply outlook it seems sad
RockyP
Member
I'm still catching up on this thread but I think the main difference with this testing is to determine potential toxicity rather than just purity / potency. It's got me thinking about the "no free lunch" principle in that the most powerful steroid is also the cheapest. Where's the catch? I mean, on its best day, Tren is very "toxic" in terms of side effects (for most who use it). It would be really swell to know if the coloration can predict the potential for actual carcinogens or other toxins that are above and beyond just the side effects of tranny porn (borrowing from the SST thread, heard it from a friend)
AlexDavis43
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15 Signs Of Passive-Aggressive Behavior With Examples
Passive-aggressive behavior is characterized by indirect resistance to others' demands and avoidance of direct confrontation. It often involves showing irritability or hostility through subtle means like critical comments, sarcasm, cynicism, or complaints about minor issues.www.simplypsychology.org
Passive-aggressive or just not aggressive & you're misreading the situation
Guess I'm not "thoughtful and open-minded," like what you say to people who agree with you. Got it.
SwolieGuacamole
Member
Long term vs short term. Either way you’re fucked.
SwolieGuacamole
Member
And by neuro, are you referring to plaque. Or other side effects?
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readalot
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Entirely in the realm of possibility. Although difficult to believe when you accuse [/ suggest] (whatever the F you want to call it) me of mis(using) member money solely for my personal shopping benefit. A little salty, no?
Agree with me?
How about we wait for the data? How about we collect the data?
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Spaceman Spiff
Subscriber
I'm just glad I still have my tren hex on hand.
Plaque would be the least amount of concerns. I'm talking about unmeasurable damage. Or at least unmeasurable by basic blood work.
sionnach
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It's really not that complicated - you like to argue and shitstir. And that's fine, no kinkshame from me, it's a common hobby in current year. But you do.
SwolieGuacamole
Member
Understood. Not picking sides. Just pointing out that no one else has really pushed for in depth testing on this scale, and raised funds to do so. Opinions are always going to differ but at least something is moving along. Looking to see what it will lead to.
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readalot
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Good primer on color and the conjugated Pi system for those interested.
14.9: Conjugation, Color, and the Chemistry of Vision
chem.libretexts.org
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RockyP
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So where we are present day is that there is 100% a difference in the components of tren solutions of varying colors. What we don’t yet know is what this means, and / or if darker is more toxic?
Good primer on color and the conjugated Pi system for those interested.
14.9: Conjugation, Color, and the Chemistry of Vision
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readalot
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Correct. Could be a very small chemical difference driving the large color difference as I mentioned before. The additional harm (or any harm) of this difference I don't know. Hence I was hopeful we could catch the identity of one or more of the new compounds through detection with the dark vials.
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One related example common to almost everyone in their day to day life.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Maillard Reaction: Mechanism, Influencing Parameters, Advantages, Disadvantages, and Food Industrial Applications: A Review - PMC
The Maillard reaction is a complex chemical reaction that occurs between nucleophilic groups, such as thiolates or amino groups primarily from amino acids, peptides, proteins, and carbonyl groups, particularly from reducing sugars. The pH value of ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
It’s probably that the compounds are too similar to trenbolone (so the peaks that appear are too close to be distinguished by the current resolution) and maybe in too small quantities to be detected by the current gc ms setup which is optimised for a mixture of varying compounds (i.e various oils steroids etc) so is designed to have a broad ‘focus’ if you will.
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