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[Photon]

The yellow dye stuff is peak 8, ..1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy. Google for Naphthoquinone, it's used in dyes to turn stuff yellow

https://www.echemi.com/produce/pr2004151028-1-4-naphthoquinone.html

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[readalot]

The issue as I see it is we don't have the GCMS results on the TRE raw. The impurities in 7-12 could have been in the raw. We don't know.

Obviously peak 3 is a significant finding as it was also matched to photon's plastic leaching work with PS in BB.

 

[dinfar1337]

The yellow dye stuff is peak 8, ..1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy. Google for Naphthoquinone, it's used in dyes to turn stuff yellow

i know bro,

i searched the compounds and did my research on them and how they could be connected since i didnt know what naphthoquinone is but i know what a quinone is.

on the wikipedia page it says its a dye precursor.

as something that would make sense since adding dye to steroids is weird.

i found this from the sexy page you or readalot linked me

"1,4-Naphthoquinone production and use as an intermediate in anthraquinone synthesis and as a polymerization regulator for rubber and polyester resins, and in the synthesis of dyes and pharmaceuticals may result in its release to the environment through"

1,4-Naphthoquinone

1,4-Naphthoquinone | C10H6O2 | CID 8530 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.

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[Photon]

as something that would make sense since adding dye to steroids is weird.

tren color project
magically appears in new batch but not old, despite supposedly same raws lol
yellow tren appears..

maybe, maybe not.
not sure either..

no way to prove it..

 

[dinfar1337]

The issue as I see it is we don't have the GCMS results on the TRE raw

certainly. but i also think bad raws can be a issue and degradation from other factors other than plastics can be the culprit of it.

we truly dont understand it and dont have the pharma testing capabilities to do it either. maybe in another life xd but probably will be dropped

atleast we can end on the note of; we dont know tren well enough, we dont have enough testing for it. and photon proved its very prone to degradation even from the rubber/bottletop filter and can cause these health risks. so going forward with photons test we either find a solution to rubber inflicted health risks to vials.

but tren probably has to go, it isnt safe and not for human use like the label says(pharma probably found something which isnt public) and can probably be degraded by other factors aswell which causes significant health risk

 

[dinfar1337]

maybe, maybe not.
not sure either..

no way to prove it..

you're right, i just believe its most likely from the rubber

 

[Sampei]

Syringe filters are PP with PTFE (Assuming you use PTFE).
PP is highly resistant to BB and BA.

Capsule filters come sterilized with good plastic (PP).

Post in thread 'Arail Pharmaceuticals - US Domestic'

Aug 26, 2025

Hi @Arail

Can you confirm what bottle filters are you using.
Do any of them contain any amount of Polystyrene.

Polystyrene starts leeching when exposed to either MCT BA BB.
The vast majority of bottletop filters contain Polystyrene in the holding area.
Is Jano testing for polystyrene covered under your testing policy?

30 minutes at 50 C when exposed to BA/BB

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acssuschemeng.3c08154

e.g Bottlecap filter used by another US DOM vendor
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E.g
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Sterile.

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Yes but capsule filters is a whole different setup, we are talking a lot different, you need to make big volume for it to be worth 1 liter or more at least

 

[readalot]

Wanna do some nice testing Like same substance with different BB content and see if syringe filters leach as well?

We are in the right thread. Lol.

What type of syringe filters?

 

[dinfar1337]

atleast i know now by looking into tren im never gonna use it again updated my last message @readalot

 

[Photon]

Yes but capsule filters is a whole different setup, we are talking a lot different, you need to make big volume for it to be worth 1 liter or more at least

The monkey does brew a few liters so i think it's fine.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Aug 4, 2025

Forgive me if this has been gone over already, but what’s your filtration process like? How much volume/length of time before you change out filters? Not sure what the standard is but perhaps you could establish that standard?

Tomfoolery aside, I have had a positive experience thus far. Ordering experience was smooth. Gonna pull bloods on the test e in a few weeks and the dbol is dbolling, with the back pumps to prove it.

I don’t think anyone’s scared to leave a positive review. Anybody who got dogpiled liked it. Bullying is a viable form of harm reduction.

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[readalot]

atleast i know now by looking into tren im never gonna use it again updated my last message @readalot

Thanks. Read it.

Quite the project to run on a forum. The mysteries of tren. When your brain says to give it a rest I know we have exhausted probably all we got. We dont have Eurofins on call.

 

[dinfar1337]

Thanks. Read it.

Quite the project to run on a forum. The mysteries of tren. When your brain says to give it a rest I know we have exhausted probably all we got. We dont have Eurofins on call.

testing every degradation method...

both time consuming and very costy.

then isolating byproducts & the effects. then finding a way to prevent degradation ( which will require tren users to get extensive expensive gear )

then have to retest with that gear many times over to know how to exactly prevent it. and then thats very time consuming aswell.

i would be very interested if i could work with in a firm that was paying me for this. but its simply not worth it to touch tren again i think we can take that decision as a community rather than testing all of this shit xd.

its such a massive project and we cant even have 1 mistake in it i dont even wanna fathom how we will begin it

 

[readalot]

testing every degradation method...

both time consuming and very costy.

then isolating byproducts & the effects. then finding a way to prevent degradation ( which will require tren users to get extensive expensive gear )

then have to retest with that gear many times over to know how to exactly prevent it. and then thats very time consuming aswell.

im very interested if i could work with in a firm that was paying me for this. but its simply not worth it to touch tren again i think we can take that decision as a community rather than testing all of this shit xd.

its such a massive project and we cant even have 1 mistake in it i dont even wanna fathom how we will begin it

You make alot of sense you SOB.

Time for me to take a break. Give 'em hell and don't get banned again. This place needs you really bad.

 

[dinfar1337]

Time for me to take a break. Give 'em hell and don't get banned again. This place needs you really bad.

thank you,

that hit somewhere in my big hypertrophied heart. in a good way ofc, atleast this time.

 

[dinfar1337]

tren color project
magically appears in new batch but not old, despite supposedly same raws lol
yellow tren appears..

maybe, maybe not.
not sure either..

no way to prove it..

truly, enough of this brainwreck.

lets move onto the newer project. i need to do more research on it. but if we go ahead with it, what could we do to get a better prevenative for the sake of the results which we are gonna find from it.

No u can't filter out what's been dissolved. Same as how you came filter out your raws from the oil using a syringe filter.

need to lay a plan to identify where plastic leeching stems from(probably the filters and rubbers) and look into how we can prevent it the best way possible to achieve harm reduction from throwing bunch of money at different testing.

and then its the fun time to attack sources.

if you want to pick up the project @readalot

we can also be expensive and find how it affects different compounds, which we have for tren now but also other non volatile and volatile compounds to see if it has any relevance for prevention

 

[Sampei]

The monkey does brew a few liters so i think it's fine.

MESO-Rx Sponsor Post in thread 'Primal Pharma - US Domestic'

Aug 4, 2025

Forgive me if this has been gone over already, but what’s your filtration process like? How much volume/length of time before you change out filters? Not sure what the standard is but perhaps you could establish that standard?

Tomfoolery aside, I have had a positive experience thus far. Ordering experience was smooth. Gonna pull bloods on the test e in a few weeks and the dbol is dbolling, with the back pumps to prove it.

I don’t think anyone’s scared to leave a positive review. Anybody who got dogpiled liked it. Bullying is a viable form of harm reduction.

We use vacuum assisted...

• Primal_Pharma

• 

I'm talking for home brewer or for smaller UGL. There is no way around it

 

[janoshik]

@janoshik

What's your take on the rock solid results with TRA vs other stuff in TRE. Were the other peaks (7-12 on this latest round) in the raw? The TRA raw was obviously righteously pure.

I can't imagine anything change on your GC injection procedure between those results.

No difference in testing whatsoever, can't tell whether it's raw or degradation that happened in the oil.

 

[janoshik]

@Photon @dinfar1337 Could one re-filter, at home, that TRE400 to remove the Benzenemethanamine (and other undesirables)?

The yellow dye stuff is peak 8, ..1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy. Google for Naphthoquinone, it's used in dyes to turn stuff yellow

Beware, do not take AUTO-ID too seriously with random rare degradation products of low abundance.

Also, 1,4 napthoquinone does not equal 1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy.

The take away from it would be that there's something looking *something like this* (1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy):



and there's only one molecule in the oil where it may plausbily originate from - the tren.

Rings like that don't form randomly and GC is pretty good at finding out about structures like that. But are we confident it's that same exact molecule? Not really.


Hope this helps

 

[Photon]

Beware, do not take AUTO-ID too seriously with random rare degradation products of low abundance.

Also, 1,4 napthoquinone does not equal 1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy.

The take away from it would be that there's something looking *something like this* (1,4-Naphthoquinone, 6-acetyl-2,5,8-trihydroxy):

View attachment 349700

and there's only one molecule in the oil where it may plausbily originate from - the tren.

Rings like that don't form randomly and GC is pretty good at finding out about structures like that. But are we confident it's that same exact molecule? Not really.


Hope this helps

Is there a way of knowing why is appears in one vial but not the other when they are presumably from the same raw?

 

[janoshik]

Is there a way of knowing why is appears in one vial but not the other when they are presumably from the same raw?

The fact that AUTO-ID didn't ID the peak at 19.59 minutes the same, does not necessarily mean it is not the same.

Check the spectra, they are similar enough for me to assume the differences stem from random events. I'd say the same thing is in both.