according to perplexity is NPP just a byproduct or small modification of it or degradation.
Can't really trust AI on these stuff to be honest
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Can't really trust AI on these stuff to be honest
True, it is useful a lot but I take it with a grain of salt if it’s something I don’t really know about, was wondering what other people think about it.
That’s the information I’m getting from AI. It definitely has me wanting to send in a sample of the NPP I have that tested with a higher purity to see if it would have the same gcms make up. Or, if someone knows of a gcms that’s been done on a previous sample of NPP that would be helpful.
TinyLittleMan
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Basically has 28 % testosterone phenylpropionate what a joke I better get a refund for this garbage
Some guys and I are chatting behind the scenes and it looks like this actually may be normal and is part of NPPs makeup. But hell, don’t take that as gospel as we are all just asking AI.
TinyLittleMan
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hopefully jano has answers
Yeah, disregard it being part of its make up. When asked again…..
> The Findings:
>
> The sample contains two major components.
>
> Peak 1: At 20.982 minutes, a compound was identified as Nandrolone phenpropionate. The large "Area%" of 71.42 means it's the primary ingredient.
>
> Peak 2: At 21.156 minutes, a compound was identified as 17β-(3-phenylpropanoyl)-androst-4-en-3-one. This is a chemical name describing the structure of another anabolic steroid. It's a significant impurity or a second active ingredient.
>
> Significance: The results confirm the presence of specific, potent anabolic steroids. Nandrolone phenpropionate is a controlled substance used in medicine but often abused in athletics. The report quantifies its purity (71%) and identifies a major contaminant or co-ingredient.
> The Findings:
>
> The sample contains two major components.
>
> Peak 1: At 20.982 minutes, a compound was identified as Nandrolone phenpropionate. The large "Area%" of 71.42 means it's the primary ingredient.
>
> Peak 2: At 21.156 minutes, a compound was identified as 17β-(3-phenylpropanoyl)-androst-4-en-3-one. This is a chemical name describing the structure of another anabolic steroid. It's a significant impurity or a second active ingredient.
>
> Significance: The results confirm the presence of specific, potent anabolic steroids. Nandrolone phenpropionate is a controlled substance used in medicine but often abused in athletics. The report quantifies its purity (71%) and identifies a major contaminant or co-ingredient.
dinfar1337
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its the name for npp but it has "andro" which is testosterone.
if it were npp it would be "estro" which is nandrolone. ive already asked jano for you but for now if its not a error its test p
Photon
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its the name for npp but it has "andro" which is testosterone.
if it were npp it would be "estro" which is nandrolone. ive already asked jano for you but for now if its not a error its test p
TP should show up on HPLC tho
dinfar1337
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17β-(1-oxo-3-phenylpropoxy)-androst-4-en-3-one.
idk if its a naming error thats why i asked jano
dinfar1337
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my money is on both is npp and its a naming error. they look way too similar + same rt peak time
TinyLittleMan
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Even if it was npp what is it actually? A byproduct because of crap manufacturing?
ChemBB
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It is lol, it's literally listed in the Pubchem page synonyms...
Testosterone phenylpropionate
Testosterone phenylpropionate | C28H36O3 | CID 14743 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.
pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This sounds logical as I don’t believe I’ve heard of any recent TP raws being manufactured.
Hopefully Jano can clear this up. I know he’s mentioned in the past that he has often seen traces of other compounds in samples but doesn’t list them on the report as it’s a very small percentage, but in this case it shows to make up 28.5% of the analysis.
You can't trust AutoID, the peaks are like almost identical between the two, so for me it looks more like NPP but fucked upIt is lol, it's literally listed in the Pubchem page synonyms...
Testosterone phenylpropionate
Testosterone phenylpropionate | C28H36O3 | CID 14743 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.
View attachment 352286
Photon
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They were selling TP too I believe
@B Ware i may have the solution for us, what if you brew some NPP and send the oil to test ( meso fund will pay for it)
If it's NPP at 89% purity the product will be X but if it's 71% NPP and 19% TPP or whatever it is then it will be massively underdosed isn't it?
Maybe it's a stupid idea but it does make sense in my mind xD
I have NPP that tested very pure so I could send that as well to run a GCMS on it. I don't know of any GCMS NPP lab test already done.
If it's NPP at 89% purity the product will be X but if it's 71% NPP and 19% TPP or whatever it is then it will be massively underdosed isn't it?
Maybe it's a stupid idea but it does make sense in my mind xD
I have NPP that tested very pure so I could send that as well to run a GCMS on it. I don't know of any GCMS NPP lab test already done.
I believe the same
dinfar1337
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so jano just confirmed its not testosterone.
i am giving up maybe that new chemist guy can help us xd. my brain says its just gonna be like npp - 2 da but i just woke up and im too tired for this so essentially same steroid core as npp so it'll behave similar. but again big lab QC issue
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AlexDavis43
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HPLC raw was 89% so if BWare brewed it assuming 100%, it would only be 10% under which is within reasonable user error (via HPLC)
GCMS is not quantitative so I don't think it's 71% NPP and 29% TPP; also because if it was 29% TPP, why didn't that show up on HPLC?
Mysteries... or I'm retarded (50/50 odds)
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