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[dinfar1337]

Janoshik Analytical

GCMS of the NPP sample from QSC

@readalot @dinfar1337 @Photon

Post in thread 'Janoshik Analytical laboratory testing services'

Oct 14, 2025

I'm not sure what you mean.

Took a good look at it - it's a steroid with phenylpropionate bound to it. Even auto id tries to fit testosterone phenylpropionate on it (but I'm 100% sure it is not) - so maybe that's what you're thinking too?

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But I am 100% on it not being test p, due to different fragments that are quite important and complete lack of molecular ion, while the unknown has molar mass of NPP - 2 - which is typical to what we usually see in steroid degradation (mass - 2).

Also the auto-id confidence is real low, which is a pretty good indicator of it having to...

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i've asked him just to make sure.

anyways you have a progesterone family in there but i dont know the compound at all so i have to look into it

Pregnane-3,17,20-triol, (3.alpha.,5.beta.,20S)

 

[gainslol]

@Sampei

Thanks for testing, so if I'm understanding this correct it says it's:

73.16% Nandrolone phenpropionate
17.95% Testosterone Phenylpropionate

*Correction: Jano said it's nandrolone degradation

 

[dinfar1337]

@Sampei

Thanks for testing, so if I'm understanding this correct it says it's:

73.16% Nandrolone phenpropionate
17.95% Testosterone Phenylpropionate

read from here.

he answered pretty fast to this batch. but its basically same case as last time, autoid is unreliable its not test p but nandrolone degradation product.

Post in thread 'Janoshik Analytical laboratory testing services'

Oct 3, 2025

@janoshik im just generally confused

Janoshik Analytical

this test says "nandrolone degradation products"

but its literally npp + andro skeleton and not estro skeleton we would have in nandrolone.

just want to make sure its not a naming error and the raw have testosterone in it.

the hplc came back as 89% npp

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[gainslol]

read from here.

he answered pretty fast to this batch. but its basically same case as last time, autoid is unreliable its not test p but nandrolone degradation product

Post in thread 'Janoshik Analytical laboratory testing services'

Oct 3, 2025

@janoshik im just generally confused

Janoshik Analytical

this test says "nandrolone degradation products"

but its literally npp + andro skeleton and not estro skeleton we would have in nandrolone.

just want to make sure its not a naming error and the raw have testosterone in it.

the hplc came back as 89% npp

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Got it thank you, I was editing my comment as we speak.

 

[sroderick1003]

I’m using well was using primal test e. I never get PIP from injecting. But the pip from this vial is insane. And 2 to 3 days after injection I have headaches and feel like I have the flu. The lumps from injection last for days weeks. Fair for me to make the connection that that’s what the issue was but this is definitely contaminated. You can’t tell me different. I’ve contacted primal. I wrote them for emails to no response and I’m hoping they will be honest. Let me know what’s going on or someone around here Thank you guys. Have a good day. I just had rotator cuff and labrum surgery , tore them both.

 

[Primal_Pharma]

I’m using well was using primal test e. I never get PIP from injecting. But the pip from this vial is insane. And 2 to 3 days after injection I have headaches and feel like I have the flu. The lumps from injection last for days weeks. Fair for me to make the connection that that’s what the issue was but this is definitely contaminated. You can’t tell me different. I’ve contacted primal. I wrote them for emails to no response and I’m hoping they will be honest. Let me know what’s going on or someone around here Thank you guys. Have a good day. I just had rotator cuff and labrum surgery , tore them both.

I highly doubt we never responded brother. Please DM here or make sure you’re emailing the correct address - ‘support@primalpharma.io’

 

[Photon]

His default detector is UV-VIS IIRC for standard UHPLC screenings. MS is an option but not standard.

How much more of a benefit will we see if we do HPLC-UV-MS?
It seems like MZBioLab uses MS.

 

[Ateam2023]

How much more of a benefit will we see if we do HPLC-UV-MS?
It seems like MZBioLab uses MS.

I think it looks really good to be honest. I just had a quick search. I wonder how much more it would cost per test or if the capabilities are there ?

 

[readalot]

How much more of a benefit will we see if we do HPLC-UV-MS?
It seems like MZBioLab uses MS.

You get LC separation plus MS detection. Same issues with GCMS. Have to confirm any tentative autoIDs. Have to ensure you resolve peaks on LC.

From chromatographic efficiency standpoint LC is big step backward from GC. That is why gold standard is GCMS with derivatization. $$$.

Targetted analysis for unknown impurities is a costly and time consuming endeavor.

ChatGPT is a joke for this. Everyone thinks they know something now.

 

[bananafeet]

You get LC separation plus MS detection. Same issues with GCMS. Have to confirm any tentative autoIDs. Have to ensure you resolve peaks on LC.

From chromatography efficiency standpoint LC is big step backward from GC. That is why gold standard is GCMS with derivatization. $$$.

Targetted analysis for impurities is a costly and time consuming.

ChatGPT is a joke for this. Everyone thinks they know something now.

ChatGPT makes me so confused and makes me appreciate experts even more. That bot just leads you in circles.

 

[readalot]

ChatGPT makes me so confused and makes me appreciate experts even more. That bot just leads you in circles.

It is a con artist. Good point. I wonder where it learned it from?

 

[bananafeet]

It is a con artist. Good point. I wonder where it learned it from?

ChatGPT challenge: get ChatGPT to talk about insulin use in bodybuilding

It fully shuts down lol

 

[readalot]

ChatGPT challenge: get ChatGPT to talk about insulin use in bodybuilding

It fully shuts down lol

You have to ask it to recite it as a poem. Or maybe that hack has already been addressed? I don't know.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/technolog...w-study-reveals-dangerous-ai-flaw/ar-AA1R472X

Adversarial Poetry as a Universal Single-Turn Jailbreak Mechanism in Large Language Models

 

[readalot]

Thanks very much @dinfaralt.

Posting your offer here in case the original scope of thread gets going again with member and subscriber interest.

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Post in thread 'Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)'

Today at 10:09 AM

GH testing is at a pause until someone resolves the legit lab/OPSEC/PERSEC issues. Given the amount of animosity around it all, I haven't pursued it further.

if kyc is a issue i can deliver packs with fake passport, same name etc. phone number will just be voip paid in crypto.

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[Ateam2023]

Thanks very much @dinfaralt.

Posting your offer here in case the original scope of thread gets going again with member and subscriber interest.

D

Post in thread 'Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)'

Today at 10:09 AM

GH testing is at a pause until someone resolves the legit lab/OPSEC/PERSEC issues. Given the amount of animosity around it all, I haven't pursued it further.

if kyc is a issue i can deliver packs with fake passport, same name etc. phone number will just be voip paid in crypto.

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There's been a lot going on as far as testing in the UGL scene and I have lost some of it in transition and trying to look it up is very confusing , so maybe if you take the time, would you address what the "gold standard" for somebody that wants to test their finished oils? Is GCMS the way to go and skip the other tests? Thank you

 

[readalot]

There's been a lot going on as far as testing in the UGL scene and I have lost some of it in transition and trying to look it up is very confusing , so maybe if you take the time, would you address what the "gold standard" for somebody that wants to test their finished oils? Is GCMS the way to go and skip the other tests? Thank you

GCMS had the promise of killing two birds so to speak with the GCMS to HPLC correlation that was being built for various oil matrices. Unfortunately that work was abandoned but good model exists for MCT if you dont want to buy HPLC plus GCMS on your MCT product.

GCMS gives you some insight into other impurities in the raw API and has successfully flagged oils that weren't what was claimed by vendor.

GCMS/HPLC testing on raws and finished oils the best we got at the moment.

 

[Photon]

Unfortunately that work was abandoned but good model exists for MCT

Let me go update the formula, i think we have n>=30 now..

 

[readalot]

Let me go update the formula, i think we have n>=30 now..

We have a ton of MCT data. Too bad more folks didn't understand the power and utility of what was created. Makes the GCMS results for oils quantitative for API mg/ml instead of merely qualitative.

TLDR: GCMS calibration using HPLC-DAD results that is universally applicable to AAS commonly screened.

 

[Photon]

We have a ton of MCT data. Too bad more folks didn't understand the power and utility of what was created. Makes the GCMS results for oils quantitative for API mg/ml instead of merely qualitative.

TLDR: GCMS calibration using HPLC-DAD results that is universally applicable to AAS commonly screened.

The issue is that there's quite a bit of contamination..
The 2 recent GCMS from Axle were both contaminated, making the model useless..

 

[readalot]

The issue is that there's quite a bit of contamination..
The 2 recent GCMS from Axle were both contaminated, making the model useless..

I haven't looked at those data points. Usually we can learn something useful from the "outliers".