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TrenTrenTren
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I plan to do 100mg weekly in my next blast. Just an experiment. By the way, I don't think that 100mg is a micro dose of Tren. It's too powerful.
Type-IIx
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Tren is still very potently anabolic and androgenic at 100mg weekly. I agree with @TrenTrenTren that 100mg weekly tren is not actually microdosing (actually I don't consider anything other than replacement of endogenous ["bioidentical"] hormones and prohormones as microdosing).
Putting prejudgment aside about the limited utility of drawing inferences from animal (here, cattle) research, we can infer that tren is highly anabolic at 100mg weekly in man.
We know that trenbolone acetate administered in pellets in combination with E2 (20mg) to cattle as a 200mg extended release formulation has a duration of activity that is 80-90 days. This equates to a Human Equivalent Dose roughly equal to 0.078 mg/kg weekly (or 7.8 mg tren weekly for a 100kg man).
Further, we know that AR density in cattle is actually (contrary to popular belief) substantially lower than in man. Androgens are less active in cattle than in man - corresponding to lower androgen receptor (AR) concentrations in muscle approx. equal to 1/4 of the ER concentration.
Tren is actually more anabolic in skeletal muscle in man than in cattle. From these facts, it's straightforward to conclude that popular tren cycles (e.g., 300mg weekly) are VERY high dose.
NOTE: I am NOT advocating for 10mg tren weekly in man; there are substantial metabolic differences between bovid and man, not the least of which is seen in the fact that exogenous estradiol potentiates tren action in cattle, whereas this is not the case due partly to concomitant increases in IGFBP-1 in man given exogenous estrogens. There are tremendous differences in metabolism.
Rather, I am showing that given the magnitude of difference between human equivalent doses from those used in cattle feedlot preparations coupled with a lower AR concentration in cattle, an adult male probably doesn't need even 100mg tren weekly for substantial muscle anabolism. This is also not to say the point of maximal human skeletal muscle anabolism can be determined from these facts. More is better up to a point of diminishing returns and where the cardiac harms that are particular to tren begin to outweigh the benefits of upping the dose.
Putting prejudgment aside about the limited utility of drawing inferences from animal (here, cattle) research, we can infer that tren is highly anabolic at 100mg weekly in man.
We know that trenbolone acetate administered in pellets in combination with E2 (20mg) to cattle as a 200mg extended release formulation has a duration of activity that is 80-90 days. This equates to a Human Equivalent Dose roughly equal to 0.078 mg/kg weekly (or 7.8 mg tren weekly for a 100kg man).
Further, we know that AR density in cattle is actually (contrary to popular belief) substantially lower than in man. Androgens are less active in cattle than in man - corresponding to lower androgen receptor (AR) concentrations in muscle approx. equal to 1/4 of the ER concentration.
Tren is actually more anabolic in skeletal muscle in man than in cattle. From these facts, it's straightforward to conclude that popular tren cycles (e.g., 300mg weekly) are VERY high dose.
NOTE: I am NOT advocating for 10mg tren weekly in man; there are substantial metabolic differences between bovid and man, not the least of which is seen in the fact that exogenous estradiol potentiates tren action in cattle, whereas this is not the case due partly to concomitant increases in IGFBP-1 in man given exogenous estrogens. There are tremendous differences in metabolism.
Rather, I am showing that given the magnitude of difference between human equivalent doses from those used in cattle feedlot preparations coupled with a lower AR concentration in cattle, an adult male probably doesn't need even 100mg tren weekly for substantial muscle anabolism. This is also not to say the point of maximal human skeletal muscle anabolism can be determined from these facts. More is better up to a point of diminishing returns and where the cardiac harms that are particular to tren begin to outweigh the benefits of upping the dose.
99powerstroke
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I think I’m going to talk to my doctor about trenbolone replacement therapy. If a man can identify as a woman, Why can’t I identify as a cow? If my doctor says no I’m going to call him a bigot and write CNN a letter about it
Type-IIx
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Veterinarian. You want to talk to your veterinarian.
Only the cows on tren had guns ( in the song. ) They believed the bulls were all cheeting on them. The cows without guns and without tren all slept like babies and didnt sweat all night soaking the sheets.
300mg a week is a relationship fucker. You wont keep your job or girl and you will be in a constant sauna.
Tren is best dosed twice a week or every three days regardles of the people sugesting it has a one week half life. Start at 50mg twice a week or even less. The sides r bad. Good luck jake.
300mg a week is a relationship fucker. You wont keep your job or girl and you will be in a constant sauna.
Tren is best dosed twice a week or every three days regardles of the people sugesting it has a one week half life. Start at 50mg twice a week or even less. The sides r bad. Good luck jake.
i can just underline this guys point
when i used 150mg of tren hex a week i already fully wetted my bed just from sweat, it will fuck your sleep completly
Your Body feels like its on fire during the night, you start to sweat retarded amounts and then eventuallly (if you even managed to fall asleep because of the heat) wake up in the middle of the night soaked in sweat which by then is already cold
Its such a weird feeling being hot and freezing cold at the same time
Haha. Just be sure to begin identifying as a human again when it comes time for slaughter lol.
OmL
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I guess I’m “microdosing” Tren, at 30mg a day. The first 4-5 weeks were incredible. But man I’m paranoid as fuck now. Pretty sure my wife is cheating on me with a woman. I mean she’s almost certainly not. But like man I don’t know. I will not hack this shit for the planned 10 weeks.
TrenTrenTren
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If she is, you must film their next encounter.
MrGTO
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I am thinking of trying 80/wk tren so see how it works for a little experiment.
I had the worst sides on the lower and high end of doses for me. When i was in the 300-400 range i had sleep issues and some sweating at night but i was mostly fine. I never had any paranoia or any of that other bs guys talk about. I got a little agro when i got up around 600/wk so i backed off. Tren stories i think are mainly made up. The worst part for me was around 10 weeks indigestion and the hiccups made me stop shy of my 12 wk goal. I started using otc sleep aids and keeping my fan on high and that solved most of the issues. The indigestion was the worst part. I tried all the otc stuff and just couldn’t get it under control and when i was trying to eat 3k+ calories it was just too much to deal with so i had to stop short.
I had the worst sides on the lower and high end of doses for me. When i was in the 300-400 range i had sleep issues and some sweating at night but i was mostly fine. I never had any paranoia or any of that other bs guys talk about. I got a little agro when i got up around 600/wk so i backed off. Tren stories i think are mainly made up. The worst part for me was around 10 weeks indigestion and the hiccups made me stop shy of my 12 wk goal. I started using otc sleep aids and keeping my fan on high and that solved most of the issues. The indigestion was the worst part. I tried all the otc stuff and just couldn’t get it under control and when i was trying to eat 3k+ calories it was just too much to deal with so i had to stop short.
I'm one of those fellas that sweats at the thought of sweating. I found that the less carbs I take in before bedtime, the less I sweat at night. I figured it out from cutting and bulking with it. Not sweating and feeling nasty helps a bit with sleeping.
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These days I don't go over 200mg enan and get good results without the chemical feeling tren can give me at higher doses.
TheRealJhon
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I just purchased some Tren Hex and was planning on 50mg once a week for 6 weeks. I’m on TRT and wanted to add a little something that won’t alert the media that I’m doing anything additional. Any gains or sides I would just blame on the TRT or Fauci or Brandon!
Most tren experiments have been done on cattle. And although they weigh 10x more than us, eat when they feel like it and don't lift weights (other than their own 1 ton bodyweight), we know that there's a dose where they fatten up for slaughter and a dose where they recomp (weight stays the same but fat turns into muscle, making your juicy prime steak a tough choice steak instead). That dose is 25mg/week for them for bulking and any higher they recomp.
I've been running lower dose tren myself personally this winter and I'm finding that dose to be 50-100mg for me. At 50-75mg I bulk up with a little fat (especially at 50) but in the 75-100mg range I don't put on fat. And from past experience in the 300+mg range I start rapidly transforming fat into muscle... then you get the sweating, and ammonia smell, and tiredness, sleep issues etc.
But your results will vary based on your metabolism, training, diet and how you personally respond to tren. I'm not eating 6+ meals a day and then using insulin as a nutrition magnifier like some people. If I was I could probably get fat on 500mg. And I'm not spending 2+ hours in the gym 6x/week like some people. So it's a hobby not a job for me.
I've been running lower dose tren myself personally this winter and I'm finding that dose to be 50-100mg for me. At 50-75mg I bulk up with a little fat (especially at 50) but in the 75-100mg range I don't put on fat. And from past experience in the 300+mg range I start rapidly transforming fat into muscle... then you get the sweating, and ammonia smell, and tiredness, sleep issues etc.
But your results will vary based on your metabolism, training, diet and how you personally respond to tren. I'm not eating 6+ meals a day and then using insulin as a nutrition magnifier like some people. If I was I could probably get fat on 500mg. And I'm not spending 2+ hours in the gym 6x/week like some people. So it's a hobby not a job for me.
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barbell001
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Trenbolone burning fat off is pure myth, it adds pure muscle and recovers tendons. I think some people think it burns fat as it dehydrates you so much after sleeping to the tune of 1 to 2 litres of water. So when you step on the scales it reads much less in the morning and you appear in the mirror to have lost fat which in reality is water.
Well your body wants to build muscle on tren, and build more and more muscle the higher the dose. It takes energy to build muscle. The cells need to repair, synthesize, grow and divide. Your body requires about 2800 calories to grow 1 lb of muscle, give or take a couple hundred.
If you don't eat enough to build that muscle it'll turn to your fat stores for the energy. Cows can/will only eat so much grain. And we humans can force feed ourselves but it's unpleasant... it's expensive, the prepping and cooking is time and energy intensive, it digs into your work/relax/play time. But many extreme bodybuilders do, and then their recomp dose will be higher.
Burning fat is an exothermic metabolic effect. Your body gives off heat. You'll sweat whether it's from working out or it's just from high metabolic rate. And you'll especially sweat at night when you're under blankets. And your sweat will smell like ammonia from the nitrogen retention.
But I think most would tell you they've seen a recomp effect on tren. I have. And if a farmer gives a cow a double dose of the pellets they do too. That's been extensively studied, peer reviewed and published. Their profits are on the line.
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barbell001
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Maybe if you are on some kind of cutting diet alongside it, or barely eating any carbs at all then I guess this is true then. I never eat like that though and am always eating to try and bulk and get stronger so its something I have never seen at all. I've run more 700mg/wk tren cycles than I can remember however and never seen this happen yet. In my opinion guys should not be taking gear in a bid to see fat loss, they should be viewing them as muscle builders and be working on a strict diet much more if thats what they are after.
If you were sweating a lot it was probably ramping up your metabolism in some way. But yeah that's why competitors use tren before a show when they are trying to preserve muscle, get peeled and not on a bulking diet at that point.
As for not taking gear for fat loss, last year I started a tren cycle and actually went and bought some DNP because I had gotten a little chubby. It turned out I recomped so well on just the tren and lost so much fat I shelved the DNP and didn't use it. That's pretty amazing, huh? As toxic as tren is, it's probably a lot better for you than DNP, stimulants and T3.
Yeah everything with tren is going to be anecdotal unless you're a cow
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