Micro dosing Tren?

[Type-IIx]

Trenbolone burning fat off is pure myth, it adds pure muscle and recovers tendons. I think some people think it burns fat as it dehydrates you so much after sleeping to the tune of 1 to 2 litres of water. So when you step on the scales it reads much less in the morning and you appear in the mirror to have lost fat which in reality is water.

Tren's decreasing PPARγ expression and androgenic commitment of pluripotent mesenchymal stem cells to a non-adipogenic lineage would disagree with you.

 

[MrGTO]

So has anyone here actually tried 80-100mg of Tren A per week? I think it might be something i am interested in incorporating in my next cycle. I would use Ace so i could just drop it if it seems useless or the sides are weird.

 

[UnProblemaComun]

If you were sweating a lot it was probably ramping up your metabolism in some way. But yeah that's why competitors use tren before a show when they are trying to preserve muscle, get peeled and not on a bulking diet at that point.

As for not taking gear for fat loss, last year I started a tren cycle and actually went and bought some DNP because I had gotten a little chubby. It turned out I recomped so well on just the tren and lost so much fat I shelved the DNP and didn't use it. That's pretty amazing, huh? As toxic as tren is, it's probably a lot better for you than DNP, stimulants and T3.


Yeah everything with tren is going to be anecdotal unless you're a cow

Sweating doesn't mean high metabolism.

 

[UnProblemaComun]

So has anyone here actually tried 80-100mg of Tren A per week? I think it might be something i am interested in incorporating in my next cycle. I would use Ace so i could just drop it if it seems useless or the sides are weird.

I tried 10mg tren ace everyday for 10 weeks. No test. Didn't notice anything particular but still experienced side effects like oily skin, shedding, etc.
Compared to 100mg test e , i say i looked more cut. Thats it.
But my tren (actually all gears in my country) is underdosed. so... If you're tren is legit then maybe you see/feel more.

 

[RomanMVP]

Tren's decreasing PPARγ expression and androgenic commitment of pluripotent mesenchymal stem cells to a non-adipogenic lineage would disagree with you.

Sure....doesn't everybody know that??

 

[Rickt]

Think my metabalism goes up when im making it with my girl. It sure makes me sweat.

 

[hometeam]

Sweating doesn't mean high metabolism.

It means you're hot, or at least your body thinks you're hot, and it's trying to cool itself. High metabolism is just one cause for making your body heat up.

But by what other processes will tren make you sweat? Adrenergic signalling? Probably, but again that will raise metabolism. Hormonal hot flashes? Possibly. But just the process of sweating will burn calories too.

Tren's decreasing PPARγ expression and androgenic commitment of pluripotent mesenchymal stem cells to a non-adipogenic lineage would disagree with you.

And just the androgenic nature of the compound should give you a more masculine look, which involves burning and/or redistributing fat. People talk about it's "nutrient partitioning" properties but I'm not educated on that.

 

[Rickt]

So does a bull also get ED issues from high dosing tren. Asking for a friend.

 

[hometeam]

So does a bull also get ED issues from high dosing tren. Asking for a friend.

Lol bulls meant for slaughter are castrated at birth. They then get low dose tren hormone replacement therapy over their approx 18-30 month lifespan, with the final bulking dose of 25mg/week 60 days out from slaughter. They want their meat to be tender and fatty so they don't go over 25mg and don't let them keep their balls. Bulls meant for breeding aren't given tren.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

So does a bull also get ED issues from high dosing tren. Asking for a friend.

I'm wondering if the bull thinks the heffer he's fucking is fucking around on him??? These are the things that must be studied...

 

[UnProblemaComun]

It means you're hot, or at least your body thinks you're hot, and it's trying to cool itself. High metabolism is just one cause for making your body heat up.

But by what other processes will tren make you sweat? Adrenergic signalling? Probably, but again that will raise metabolism. Hormonal hot flashes? Possibly. But just the process of sweating will burn calories too.


And just the androgenic nature of the compound should give you a more masculine look, which involves burning and/or redistributing fat. People talk about it's "nutrient partitioning" properties but I'm not educated on that.

Ok so when I take isotretinoin I burn more calories? Because is a side effect of isotretinoin is hyperhidrosis.

 

[barbell001]

Well your body wants to build muscle on tren, and build more and more muscle the higher the dose. It takes energy to build muscle. The cells need to repair, synthesize, grow and divide. Your body requires about 2800 calories to grow 1 lb of muscle, give or take a couple hundred.

If you don't eat enough to build that muscle it'll turn to your fat stores for the energy. Cows can/will only eat so much grain. And we humans can force feed ourselves but it's unpleasant... it's expensive, the prepping and cooking is time and energy intensive, it digs into your work/relax/play time. But many extreme bodybuilders do, and then their recomp dose will be higher.

Burning fat is an exothermic metabolic effect. Your body gives off heat. You'll sweat whether it's from working out or it's just from high metabolic rate. And you'll especially sweat at night when you're under blankets. And your sweat will smell like ammonia from the nitrogen retention.

But I think most would tell you they've seen a recomp effect on tren. I have. And if a farmer gives a cow a double dose of the pellets they do too. That's been extensively studied, peer reviewed and published. Their profits are on the line.

Its interesting you say that about the body needing so many calories to grow 1lb of muscle - I never realised that. I guess I just assumed it used protein to convert straight into muscle - makes sense now why you need such a surplus to really get strong also and not just protein.

 

[Rickt]

So jake 1012 im sure this answered your question about small dose tren and some weight loss. NOT!!
but if you are studying to be a vet you know the entire reproductive system of cattle. How to get them lean for slaughter. The steaks have never been higher.
My short answer (my opinion) yes small dose of tren will help. Bigger the dose the more effective. Bigger the dose the worse the sides.
Best to not do tren and look at your diet and cardio. and dont drive through kfc. Good luck. You should make a new post this one went off the rails. It is just bragging rights now.
Just saying.

 

[TheRealJhon]

“The steaks have never been higher.” That’s some funny shit Rickt!

I’ve gotten enough out of this thread to help me. My Tren is in the mail now. I follow a guy on YouTube that is on a cruise with 200 mg Test E and 50 mg Tren E per week. He’s on week 6 and reported that his strength is still up and he’s still getting PRs in the gym, despite going from 500 mg of Tren during his blast.

 

[hometeam]

Ok so when I take isotretinoin I burn more calories? Because is a side effect of isotretinoin is hyperhidrosis.

I think since Accutance works directly on the skin it modifies the sweat gland somewhat and you won't burn many calories. But is this what you think is going on with the most powerful of the popular anabolic steroids, that it's not modifying your metabolism whatsoever? And that it won't help you get leaner?

Its interesting you say that about the body needing so many calories to grow 1lb of muscle - I never realised that. I guess I just assumed it used protein to convert straight into muscle - makes sense now why you need such a surplus to really get strong also and not just protein.

Also interesting is that 1 lb of pure protein is 600 calories. Now, a lb of muscle will have fat in it for the cell walls and membranes, intramuscular fat etc. So 1lb of chicken breast is about 800 calories. Steak will be 1200 calories just because it's so much fattier. And you need about 2800 calories to build 1 lb of muscle, right?

What that means when building muscle your body not only needs the 800-1200 calories in protein and fat that actually becomes the muscle, but it also expends about 2,000 calories building it. If you build 1-2lbs of muscle per week that's an additional 400-800 calories per day above maintenance, or maybe 1-2 extra meals or shakes.

As for protein requirements, your body can make 9 of the 20 amino acids it needs but that will require extra energy.

 

[steckdose0]

tren is trash

 

[Trainghard1212]

I been pinning tren A & test A , Ed since
08/02/22 , I started with
.40 ml testosterone Acetate
.60 ml trenbolone Acetate
Then bumped it up to .60 for tren A test A
Going mad on that but then bumped it up to .75 for both for 7 days had to drop it back just couldn't eat struggled to eat ..
Why is that why does it kill appetite ?
Has it got something to do with ketosis or ketone's ..its crazy such small increase gave lose of appetite like I struggled to eat it was fucked and couldn't sleep sides it's crazy....anyway

 

[MrGTO]

I tried 10mg tren ace everyday for 10 weeks. No test. Didn't notice anything particular but still experienced side effects like oily skin, shedding, etc.
Compared to 100mg test e , i say i looked more cut. Thats it.
But my tren (actually all gears in my country) is underdosed. so... If you're tren is legit then maybe you see/feel more.

I would be using at minimum a trt dose of test that kept me around 800-1000 total test and less than 100/wk of tren a for the experiment. I am about to start a cruise so once i get my blood work done to adjust my test dose to the above #s i will add in the tren starting @ 70/wk to make it easy. I will be cutting while cruising so it should be beneficial to have a touch of tren in there to help, maybe?

The tren A i have was tested and was right on the money @ 101 mg/ml

 

[Juicy AF]

Finaplix is administered in 200mg dosages over the course of 10 weeks, in 1000 lb fucking cattle.

200mg / wk in a Human is hardly a “micro dose”

Just sayin.

 

[Type-IIx]

Sure....doesn't everybody know that??

There's a difference between recognizing the effects of something (any dipshit, even you, is capable of this) and fully understanding the reasons for it. Most recognize tren's potent recomping effects (increasing fat-free mass and concomitantly reducing adipose tissue stores). Instead of rolling your eyes at me, you could learn something. But my posts aren't for everybody, I know.

And just the androgenic nature of the compound should give you a more masculine look, which involves burning and/or redistributing fat. People talk about it's "nutrient partitioning" properties but I'm not educated on that.

That likely goes to the latter mechanism mentioned, androgenic commitment of pluripotent mesenchymal cells to a non-adipogenic lineage (i.e., less fat; more "chiseled" look).

Your recent posts herein regarding the metabolic costs of muscle tissue deposition cannot by itself account for the substantial potency of androgens, including T, in increasing FFM while decreasing adipose tissue deposition. Bhasin, et al. hypothesized that, in addition to direct effects on skeletal muscle, T may promote the commitment of pluripotent precursor cells into the myogenic lineage + inhibit their differentiation into the adipogenic lineage. Since this hypothesis was tested, several additional lines of data have borne this out. It's fair to say it's now part of the model of androgen action.

The sweating due to tren is IMO not likely due to increased RMR/REE, as would be implicit given your proposed mechanism. I say this because of the absence of any evidence (at least that I've seen, I think I would have seen it though) that tren increases RMR/REE.

Tren sweats are very real: apparently not a rapid nongenomic effect, but perhaps you are correct that this hypothetical effect is mediated by the AR (i.e., possibly tren IS so potent that your hypothesis is true, that there is increased REE due to increased metabolic processes in building muscle additive to the commitment of precursor cells to a non-adipogenic lineage; I can certainly accept this, but it's theoretical as I have not seen any published data to suggest that tren actually increases RMR/REE).

Perhaps toxicity? Though tren apparently fares better under ADME-Tox standards than Primo (metenolone enanthate), which fails under Lilly Med Chem Rules, the GSK 4/400 Rule, and Pfizer 3/75 Rule, hence its only being commercially available in select few regions. It is, however, noteworthy, that Primo causes night sweats for many users as well & trenbolone acetate is only commercially available for veterinary use.

It's very likely tren potently antagonizes the MR: perhaps this causes some quantity of dehydration via sweating.

Perhaps this effect is due to activity at the sigma opioid receptor? Very hypothetical this one.

Any thoughts, @PeterBond on "Tren sweats?"