Mig840 as a Solvent

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

I have been curious regarding the solubility of different testosterone esters in Mig840, so I have begun some testing today.

I am starting with 5ml of Mig840 and am gradually adding increasing amounts of test D while on a hot plate with magnetic stirrer. I have the temperature set at 52 degrees C and the stirrer at 440 rpm.

I started by adding 2.5g of test D powder, which quickly and easily dissolved. Once dissolved, I increased the test D to 3.25g and then increased again to 3.75g.

I will only add BA at the very end of this process.

At 3.75g of powder, 5ml of mig840, and 1.2% BA (0.1ml), I will have 8.75ml at 430 mg/ml.

If this holds without crashing, I will continue adding powder until it does not hold.

Does anyone have any idea how long I should wait to confirm if it crashes or not?

I plan on testing the solubility limits and then will repeat for test C and E.

 

[narta]

Does anyone have any idea how long I should wait to confirm if it crashes or not?

You can brew Test D 400mg/ml on a standard 2/20 BA/BB in mct without crashing. Never tried higher, 500mg seems feasible but with unknown pip. Crashing is a different ballgame. Leave it to cool down to room temp for a day and check.

IMO, it's not the crashing that you should be worried but the pip. Test E can go as high as 350mg/ml but it stings like a mofo.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

You can brew Test D 400mg/ml on a standard 2/20 BA/BB in mct without crashing. Never tried higher, 500mg seems feasible but with unknown pip. Crashing is a different ballgame. Leave it to cool down to room temp for a day and check.

IMO, it's not the crashing that you should be worried but the pip. Test E can go as high as 350mg/ml but it stings like a mofo.

I am testing without any BB to see how effective mig840 is as a solvent. I want to answer this question once and for all.

 

[H&M]

Thanks for your time and experience,that's how we should to do.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

I ended up adding a total of 5g of test D to the 5ml of mig840 and it dissolved fairly easily into a crystal clear solution. I will leave it in a colder room, about 60 degrees F overnight to see if it holds.

If it does, I will add BA and will end up with:

10ml total
500 mg/ml test D
5ml mig840
2% BA (0.20ml)

More important than the practicality of this formulation or not, would be the ability to use mig840 as an actual solvent.

I will update tomorrow morning.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

12 hour update:

After 12 hours in that cold room, where the temperature fell below 60 degrees, it did finally show signs of crashing. I placed it on a coffee cup warmer and it went back into solution in just a few minutes.

Since my goal was less about making a 500 mg/ml solution and more about mig840 as a solvent/carrier oil, I added 5 ml of mig840 to dilute it to 330mg/ml, which is a more realistic formulation.

If this holds without crashing, I believe it will show it is viable to uses only mig840 and BA.

The next step would be to replace BB with mig840 in a 20/2 formula with other carrier oils (i.e. mig840 acting as a solvent only.)

I will update later tonight if it crashes or not.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

So, I ended up with the following:

15ml total at 333mg/ml of Test D using:

10ml Mig840
5g Test D
0.2ml BA (1.3%)
Zero BB

I filtered this with a .22 into a sterile vial, dry heat sterilized for 2 hours at 260 degrees F and then let it sit in a cold room for 24 hours.

Did it show signs of crashing?

Absolutely not!!!!! No signs at all!

I went ahead and injected 0.6ml (200mg) into my quad using a 1” 30ga needle and it flowed like water without any discomfort.

It usually takes me about 12 hours or so before I start feeling any PIP, so I will update this later.

So far I can state with 100% certainty that in this specific case Mig840 can be used as a solvent/carrier oil with this specific concentration of Test D and not showing any signs of crashing after 24 hours.

As a next step, I plan on testing the following:

250mg/ml test D
2/20 BA/Mig840
GSO as a carrier oil

 

[Pinnacle Elements]

So, I ended up with the following:

15ml total at 333mg/ml of Test D using:

10ml Mig840
5g Test D
0.2ml BA (1.3%)
Zero BB

I filtered this with a .22 into a sterile vial, dry heat sterilized for 2 hours at 260 degrees F and then let it sit in a cold room for 24 hours.

Did it show signs of crashing?

Absolutely not!!!!! No signs at all!

I went ahead and injected 0.6ml (200mg) into my quad using a 1” 30ga needle and it flowed like water without any discomfort.

It usually takes me about 12 hours or so before I start feeling any PIP, so I will update this later.

So far I can state with 100% certainty that in this specific case Mig840 can be used as a solvent/carrier oil with this specific concentration of Test D and not showing any signs of crashing after 24 hours.

As a next step, I plan on testing the following:

250mg/ml test D
2/20 BA/Mig840
GSO as a carrier oil

Test D makes sense. Very soluble

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

48 hour update:

I have had zero PIP from my injection yesterday.

Also, it has been in a cold room for 48 hours and shows zero signs of crashing.

I went ahead a decided to try testosterone Cypionate in a similar formula to the test D, without any BB, although at only 250mg/ml.

20ml total volume
15ml mig840
5g Test C
2% BA (0.4ml)
0% BB

The test c powder dissolved fairly easily while applying 80 degrees C heat and the magnetic stirrer at 440 rpm, into a crystal clear solution.

I will check for crashing in 24hours prior to taking any further steps.

I am cautiously optimistic is will hold with only mig840 and will update tomorrow.

 

[Rahhonatake]

I've done the following with mig840, 0.9% BA, and no BB. A few Test C vials would recrystallize but majority hold, 250 is def the upper limit.

Test E 250
Test C 250
Primo 100
Tren A 100
MENT 100 (iirc)
SR-9009 30 (maybe 40)

Was curious about Test D, appreciate the post

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

I can confirm that the test c held without crashing after 30+ hours.

I brewed sust250 using the same formula and expect the results to be the same.

The test D 333 is probably the smoothest test I have injected with any combinations of esters and carrier oils. Has anyone else found test D to be as smooth as this? I believe I may have found the perfect combination for me and I will try at 400mg/ml and see if it holds cleanly.

The only concern I have is whether the 2hrs of dry heat sterilization at 260 degrees F is degrading the brews. Can anyone provide insight?

 

[Nilatac]

Add some bb to make it hold to 400. If you don't want to use the standard 18/20% it will hold with 10% and mig.

I used 20% but I use 20%bb on everything not only for 400 mg test d.
I inject 5 ml and get a slightly discomfort in the area but nothing major. It's more from the volume of oil and technique of injection as sometimes I get to unusual position to be able to inject and my hand is moving.
Test d is smooth with every oil I have tried. Now I use gso and eo.

It's crossing my mind to try test iso as it can be brew high also and have more active mg/ml but I don't know how the pip will be at 300-350 mg

 

[Triradok]

are these still holding up without crashing?

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Yes, they have been in a cold room for for almost 6 days (test D) and almost 5 days (test c) without any signs of crashing.

I have injected the test d on 3 different occasions and have had zero PIP.

Test D and mig840, no BB is amazing and will be my go to going forward.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

I can also confirm that I made Sustanon 250 in mig840 with only 2% BA with no issues holding.

Also, I left some Test D 333 mig840 in below freezing temperatures, including 24+ hours sing digits Fahrenheit, and it shows absolutely no sign of crashing.

I will try DHB, NPP and TNE next.

 

[Zebedee]

I can also confirm that I made Sustanon 250 in mig840 with only 2% BA with no issues holding.

Also, I left some Test D 333 mig840 in below freezing temperatures, including 24+ hours sing digits Fahrenheit, and it shows absolutely no sign of crashing.

I will try DHB, NPP and TNE next.

Speculation here obviously, but based on your experience so far, it would be possible for, as an example 20% Mig840 to replace 20% of EO in harder to brew / hold compounds / blends that many use some EO for?

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

Speculation here obviously, but based on your experience so far, it would be possible for, as an example 20% Mig840 to replace 20% of EO in harder to brew / hold compounds / blends that many use some EO for?

I will test a in between step to that today. I will try Test D 200 - 2/20 BA/mig840 in GSO and update with the results.

For me, personally, mig840 by itself is all I need. A 30ga needle and I can’t even tell I pinned anything.

 

[Bigguy81]

I am testing without any BB to see how effective mig840 is as a solvent. I want to answer this question once and for all.

But brother you don't need BB to dissolve test e into a sterile formulation using any carrier. Never mind Mig840.

If you want to try this you need to try this with a product that takes BB but what you know is the least amount of BB that it will hold in using a different carrier such as GSO.

 

[HereToTeachAndLearn]

But brother you don't need BB to dissolve test e into a sterile formulation using any carrier. Never mind Mig840.

If you want to try this you need to try this with a product that takes BB but what you know is the least amount of BB that it will hold in using a different carrier such as GSO.

I was able to use only mig840 for both test cyp 250 and Sustanon 250 without any BB and neither show any signs of crashing after several days.

I plan on trying test cyp 250 with 2/20 BA/Mig840 in GSO tomorrow morning. I will update by EOD.

 

[eery]

Test decanoate should be able to hold at 500-550mg/ml in 2% ba, 20% bb and mct oil so this makes sense.