MikeStrong NPP Labmax

[dmt31]

So here are the results : http://imgur.com/bsdnP8U,lA6Bpqn,ggQDvl9,WQq2TiE,sXnniMM#0

IDK anymore. These results look very very similar to my results with my AP NPP from the other day and it just has me confused. Here is the AP one just for comparison: http://imgur.com/wRBAWf2,gwFl08o,TrYBUxY,hBMbHua,1CuK1Ak,cNr28vR#0

I know @mercury stated and convinced me that the AP labmax showed Deca and not NPP, but has anybody seen an NPP labmax that looked like the one on their site? I searched for a decent amount of time and literally the only results I found were either complete bunk with no green glow, or ones that looked exactly like both of these tests. The green glow in these is also much brighter than the Deca tests I have seen which is more of a matte or muted green color.

Are we sure labmax is right on this one?

I got in touch with my AP reseller and showed him the results. I'll ask him if I can post the emails, but I won't until I hear from him. He forwarded my thread and concerns to one of the GM's over at AP. The basic synopsis of his response was that they test literally every batch of raws. They have people's who only have a single job, which is to ensure the QC of each compound as it's being made and vialed up. Something like Deca being labeled as NPP just wouldn't happen and he stands by his product (which he obviously does). But, it got me to thinking. AP isn't like every other generic UGL. They are a pretty big goddamn operation who have been in business for almost a decade with minimal issues or complaints with any validity that I have seen through my digging around. I really doubt they'd go out on a limb here and try to pass of Deca as NPP. What do they get out of it? They service so many customers and buy so many kilos of raws that it wouldn't be worth it for them.

If we were talking about some nickel dick UGL, yeah, maybe, I'd be on board, but something just seems not right about these labmax results to me. IDK. What are your thoughts?

 

[dmt31]

Also my batch number for the ms npp was 120214

 

[mercury]

Rule number one do not trust your source, do you expect them to admit that they sell bunk gear ? They will always tell you bunch of lies that their product is good and discredit everything/everybody proving them wrong.

You have to understand labmax, it is simple pass or fail.

There are a few reason for failure.

1. bunk gear
2. mixed with other steroids, it that case you will never get expected results.
3. simply contaminated that you will never get good results even it right thing is inside.

Just go to labmax site and take good look at the pictures, do they look like yours ? Try to reproduce the same results and compare the pictures.

 

[mercury]

take a look in

[labmax] from ALPHA PHARMA USA

NadrolXL

just posted pictures of Alpha Pharma NPP

this is the right color like greenish - blue sky, it is matching exactly labmax picture.

is not even close to yours.

 

[dmt31]

take a look in

[labmax] from ALPHA PHARMA USA

NadrolXL

just posted pictures of Alpha Pharma NPP

this is the right color like greenish - blue sky, it is matching exactly labmax picture.

is not even close to yours.

.............. what?
https://thinksteroids.com/community...960160731184_1040234673242441114_o-jpg.18615/
https://thinksteroids.com/community...960497397817_4334097809156566189_n-jpg.18616/
https://thinksteroids.com/community...960317397835_6038519618581179057_n-jpg.18617/

If I had another kit I'd hold the light at the same angle as his, and I also put in several drops, it looks like he only put in 1 or 2 from a very small gauge based on the amount of liquid. Even then, The color of green/blue I have is very similar to his, but as I said, I am holding it at a different angle and I would be willing to bet I put more drops into my vials.

But, if you look, his pictures without UV are exactly like mine, which in the previous thread you said was an indication of Deca and not NPP... So why do you have a different opinion now? What am I missing? His NPP is a pass, even though without UV it is the color of Deca? This is the point I was trying to make in my OP, which you didn't get I think.

You said: "Go to labmax site and take a good look at the pictures, do they look like yours?" ........ You can't have it both ways brother. If mine is a fail, than Nandro is a fail, which again, is exactly the point I was making in my OP. How are we sure labmax couldn't be wrong on this compound? Why is that out of the realm of possibility?

Also, yes, obviously the manufacturer of the gear isn't going to talk bad about his product to me and will assure me it's real and g2g. But, the guy did make some valid points, and I'm willing to bet that even the best UGL doesn't have a QC protocol in place the way AP does, and I really don't think you can argue that.

So, show me a labmax that isn't on the Labmax site, where NPP passes then, I still have yet to see one, does anybody have one to show? I'm honestly very curious.

 

[mercury]

How are we sure labmax couldn't be wrong on this compound? Why is that out of the realm of possibility?

Labmax is a LAB with serious equipment, they do a lot field tests, not only steroids but drugs too.

They explain everything clear and simple, how it works, what the limitations are etc.

Tests done here and posted here proved over and over that it is very reliable test.

I see people all the time doubt the test, because they do not understand it.

I have been using this kit for a long time and I know it works. It has never failed me.

It is very easy on some gear and a little tricky on other but it works.

 

[dmt31]

Labmax is a LAB with serious equipment, they do a lot field tests, not only steroids but drugs too.

They explain everything clear and simple, how it works, what the limitations are etc.

Tests done here and posted here proved over and over that it is very reliable test.

I see people all the time doubt the test, because they do not understand it.

I have been using this kit for a long time and I know it works. It has never failed me.

It is very easy on some gear and a little tricky on other but it works.

Brother,

You literally ignored the most important part of what I said. According to you, my test is a fail and a big reason is because that the vials are not the right color in normal light. Nandro's test has the same colors as mine without the normal light, so how is his a pass and mine a fail? You're not addressing this for some reason. You made these statements, not me, I just want clarification.

 

[mercury]

I am not ignoring anything, I have already stated that it does not look to me to be the same under UV light.

Maybe it looks different when you look live at them.

The initial color in vial A for NPP is like light green almost no change for a short time.

I have just compared the UV part and it is fail for me based on the pictures.

I am just looking at somebody's else pictures and I might be mistaken.

 

[dmt31]

So you're saying Nandro is a fail now too? I'm confused... Because again, has no light green at all in Vial A, and looks just like mine does, which you determined was Deca....

Also, can you please show me any labmax anybody has run, other than the one on the labmax site, that was a pass for NPP by your standard and by the standard of Labmax's site? I honestly can't find a single one. Every NPP test looks just like mine or Nandro's

I am not ignoring anything, I have already stated that it does not look to me to be the same under UV light.

Maybe it looks different when you look live at them.

The initial color in vial A for NPP is like light green almost no change for a short time.

I have just compared the UV part and it is fail for me based on the pictures.

I am just looking at somebody's else pictures and I might be mistaken.

 

[mercury]

Have you been drinking today ?

I gave you example of Nandro how good NPP looks under UV light, it is pass.

See here
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/labmax-from-alpha-pharma-usa.134360973/
post number 13

Yours does not look the same, it is fail. I can be mistaken, maybe I do not see the colors right.



There were also NPP tested before, I am not going to sort through to find them.

 

[dmt31]

No my friend, but I think you might be drinking. How is it a pass when the colors without UV are nowhere near what the labmax site shows? Does that mean that the labmax site might have it wrong when it comes to NPP... Are you proving my point finally instead of saying the same thing and not addressing the question I have asked you 4 times....

 

[mercury]

vial A - olive green (almost no change) this is initial color, it gets orange after while

vial B - orange

I assume you did not have the initial olive green color in vial A

 

[dmt31]

So off the same data, which is just pictures, you have assumed that Nandro had the green color and I didn't?.... Wishful thinking much....? come on man, you can admit you were wrong on this one. I respect your opinion more an anybody else when it comes to labmax, but you're talking in circles here.

 

[pumpingiron22]

It's a fail. Let mk know and tell him to replace it. We all hate to admit when we get bunk gear. But it happens wishing will not change your results. Labmax does not lie.

 

[mercury]

Ok we now the color coding.

I am in a little difficult position to figure out from the pictures.

I did my NPP long time ago and it was no doubt good NPP, different UGL

You know better what colors you had.

The question is; did you have the right colors ? then it is pass or fail.

 

[Dr JIM]

Rule number one do not trust your source, do you expect them to admit that they sell bunk gear ? They will always tell you bunch of lies that their product is good and discredit everything/everybody proving them wrong.

You have to understand labmax, it is simple pass or fail.

There are a few reason for failure.

1. bunk gear
2. mixed with other steroids, it that case you will never get expected results.
3. simply contaminated that you will never get good results even it right thing is inside.

Just go to labmax site and take good look at the pictures, do they look like yours ? Try to reproduce the same results and compare the pictures.

RULE NUMBER TWO

The suggestion LM can differentiate not only parent AAS compounds but also their attached ester is UTTERLY ABSURD!

 

[BIGMESC]

RULE NUMBER TWO

The suggestion LM can differentiate not only parent AAS compounds but also their attached ester is UTTERLY ABSURD!

Jim are you subtlety trying to imply that LM really cannot differentiate between compound esters?

 

[Dr JIM]

I'm not being at all subtle! This is simply not possible using a reagent test such as LM.

Heck bc the parent compound is identical and although the task is NOT necessarily "difficult", differentiating these two esters mandates particular attention to detail even when an HPLC is used.

LM just does not possess the ability to distinguish the small differences in a compounds chemical structure, MW and polarity that HPLC IS readily capable of achieving.

Moreover these features are WELL DOCUMENTED in the LC literature yet the LM manufacturers have yet to post A SINGLE evidence based article about this products capabilities and/or limitations.

 

[dmt31]

I'm not being at all subtle! This is simply not possible using a reagent test such as LM.

Heck bc the parent compound is identical and although the task is NOT necessarily "difficult", differentiating these two esters mandates particular attention to detail even when an HPLC is used.

LM just does not possess the ability to distinguish the small differences in a compounds chemical structure, MW and polarity that HPLC IS readily capable of achieving.

Moreover these features are WELL DOCUMENTED in the LC literature yet the LM manufacturers have yet to post A SINGLE evidence based article about this products capabilities and/or limitations.

See, that's what I am being lead to believe from my own experiences, but our friend @mercury is not very easy to communicate with on matters of labmax possibly being wrong, and I don't know of anyone else with his level of expertise on the topic, so unfortunately I am forced to defer to him more times than not.

 

[Dr JIM]

See, that's what I am being lead to believe from my own experiences, but our friend @mercury is not very easy to communicate with on matters of labmax possibly being wrong, and I don't know of anyone else with his level of expertise on the topic, so unfortunately I am forced to defer to him more times than not.

Oh sure I understand where your coming from but something is missing here don't ya think?

This is a NEW test that brings with it NO evidence based citations to support these "observations". However what I believe is even more troubling is it seems apparent the LM "results" being discussed have NOT been verified using contemporary analytical "BENCHMARK" such as MS, LC/MS or HPLC!

So really what you have here is someone who verifies "findings" thru personal trial and error comparisons, yet which themselves were never CONFIRMED using existing technology that was specifically designed for that purpose.

No offense mate, but that type of arrangement is what led to the colloquial term, "the blind leading the blind".

Regs
JIM