moderate weight loss and muscle retention/growth stack advice?

[tmtspet]

Hey was considering doing a moderate stack primarily for muscle retention while i cut off some pound im sitting at about 16-18% body fat about 75kg and want to drop 5-10kg in the most optimal way to help lean out.

my stack so far was going to be a daily
- 25mg of SLU-PP-332,
- 50mg 5-Amino-1mq,
- split dose of 10mg Anavar in the morning and evening
+ some TUDCA to help with liver toxicity of the var.

Im not against doing injectables and have in the past but want to avoid anything requiring IM injections as I have had bad history of very significant bruising when doing them and would honestly just want to avoid it. Any tips?

 

[dinfar1337]

Hey was considering doing a moderate stack primarily for muscle retention while i cut off some pound im sitting at about 16-18% body fat about 75kg and want to drop 5-10kg in the most optimal way to help lean out.

my stack so far was going to be a daily
- 25mg of SLU-PP-332,
- 50mg 5-Amino-1mq,
- split dose of 10mg Anavar in the morning and evening
+ some TUDCA to help with liver toxicity of the var.

Im not against doing injectables and have in the past but want to avoid anything requiring IM injections as I have had bad history of very significant bruising when doing them and would honestly just want to avoid it. Any tips?

are you on testosterone?

just use hgh, even at 4iu you will retain so much muscle with testosterone and hgh alone way better than fuck all these peptides

 

[tmtspet]

are you on testosterone?

just use hgh, even at 4iu you will retain so much muscle with testosterone and hgh alone way better than fuck all these peptides

That is kind of what I'm veering to now I would run the 4iu daily for 6-8 weeks with a split weekly dosage of 250mg test cyp, probably would drop the 5-amino-1mq but was very interested in the improvement in cardio and energy aspect of the slu-pp-332, u recommend taking Arimidex for a cycle this short ?

 

[lvz]

go for the rule of 3 (i just made this up its not actually a thing, but a fairly mild beginner cycle)

300mg/week test, 300mg/week mast, 30 oxa ed, optional 3iu hgh if u have the budget for it

if u run oxa 6~8 weeks u shouldnt rly need liver support but wont hurt to add ig, rest u can run for the full 12, i rly dont advice running orals longer than 8 weeks ur lipid profile will get wrecked

any reason why u tryina run some random peptides over an actual cycle lol

 

[dinfar1337]

That is kind of what I'm veering to now I would run the 4iu daily for 6-8 weeks with a split weekly dosage of 250mg test cyp, probably would drop the 5-amino-1mq but was very interested in the improvement in cardio and energy aspect of the slu-pp-332, u recommend taking Arimidex for a cycle this short ?

i dont wanna give advice.

im still on my first cycle, nearly half a decade after starting it. i've never touched this 5-amino-1mq and slu pp and you probably shouldnt either, its totally not needed! you gonna feel testosterone and hgh hit like a brick, although i would recommend running this for life and not 8 weeks, are you a woman? scared to get a bigger clit?

 

[dinfar1337]

also you should do a new member thread!

 

[tmtspet]

go for the rule of 3 (i just made this up its not actually a thing, but a fairly mild beginner cycle)

300mg/week test, 300mg/week mast, 30 oxa ed, optional 3iu hgh if u have the budget for it

if u run oxa 6~8 weeks u shouldnt rly need liver support but wont hurt to add ig, rest u can run for the full 12, i rly dont advice running orals longer than 8 weeks ur lipid profile will get wrecked

any reason why u tryina run some random peptides over an actual cycle lol

not really but I've done a fair bit of research into the 2 and have seen a pretty big boost in my cardiovascular endurance and energy from the slu-pp-332 when taken in the past but I will probably drop the 5-amino-1mq as i haven't heard much pros from it. would this same cycle be alright without the mast Ive been finding a hard time getting a supplier for it lol

 

[tmtspet]

i dont wanna give advice.

im still on my first cycle, nearly half a decade after starting it. i've never touched this 5-amino-1mq and slu pp and you probably shouldnt either, its totally not needed! you gonna feel testosterone and hgh hit like a brick, although i would recommend running this for life and not 8 weeks, are you a woman? scared to get a bigger clit?

nah im just already low enough in weight as is just wanted a boost to get a little bit leaner/dryer and try it out, ik i sound like a pussy but I haven't really messed with anabolics before so not really tryna go all out on it first go.

 

[tmtspet]

also you should do a new member thread!

ahh shoot i should didnt even know that was a thing lol

 

[BigDadd7]

What a dumb cycle... unless this is for a chick?

 

[tmtspet]

What a dumb cycle... unless this is for a chick?

sadly not lol i been able to cut to the 10% body fat before off of just the slu-pp-332 and reta which had my energy and cardiovascular endurance through the roof the entire time. haven't done any anabolics before tho so just looking into what might be good on that end

 

[lvz]

not really but I've done a fair bit of research into the 2 and have seen a pretty big boost in my cardiovascular endurance and energy from the slu-pp-332 when taken in the past but I will probably drop the 5-amino-1mq as i haven't heard much pros from it. would this same cycle be alright without the mast Ive been finding a hard time getting a supplier for it lol

the masteron is pretty nice to keep ur estrogen in check, eliminates the need to run arimidex (still do keep it on hand in case you somehow need to run it), mild anabolic effect and will give ur muscles a "harder / sharper" look once u get down to low enough bf%, so even on an aggressive cut itll look like u lost less muscle, pretty insane compound for cutting i wouldnt replace it for anything UNLESS ure rly sensitive to dht and lose hair easily

u can pretty easily find a source for mast prop on these boards, iirc only mast e is kinda rare to find and flies off the shelves of suppliers rly quick rn

 

[dinfar1337]

the masteron is pretty nice to keep ur estrogen in check, eliminates the need to run arimidex (still do keep it on hand in case you somehow need to run it), mild anabolic effect and will give ur muscles a "harder / sharper" look once u get down to low enough bf%, so even on an aggressive cut itll look like u lost less muscle, pretty insane compound for cutting i wouldnt replace it for anything UNLESS ure rly sensitive to dht and lose hair easily

u can pretty easily find a source for mast prop on these boards, iirc only mast e is kinda rare to find and flies off the shelves of suppliers rly quick rn

complete no no to run anavar & masteron on his first cycle.

 

[RockyP]

While I don't think that you need any drugs to lose a few pounds / kg (i'm assuming at 75 kg you are not beyond your genetic potential for muscle gain), if you are wanting to try something, a low dose of test (150 mg) will be more than enough anti-catabolism for your goals. You won't need an AI or masteron or primo to control E2 at that dosage. All of the other things mentioned are overkill. SLU and 5-amino do work, but you can get to where you want to go with diet and training. The guys I know who are running those compounds are doing it to get from 8 to 6% bf with a ton of other shit on board that has fizzled out, including the anabolics they are running to maintain their lean tissue at a level that is beyond their natural ceiling. A 75 kg man does not need anabolic steroids to lose 5 to 10 kg. Nobody needs anabolic steroids of GH to lose fat (but hey, we all do it anyway right?) These drugs can be helpful to retain muscle when dieting down hard, like from 12% to 6% (when you are already carrying extra lean tissue from a bulk that was put on with drugs because it was beyond your natural potential). So if you have not already maxed out your natural potential for lean muscle gain, and if you have not already bulked on a cycle of drugs and are now sitting at a level of lean mass that is beyond your natural potential, you don't need anabolics to hold on to any of that supraphysiologial muscle as you diet. If you eat properly, don't overdo cardio, and train intensely, you will achieve your goals. But like I said, if you are hell bent on using something, a touch of test will do. If you dont like needles, i'd say 10 - 25 mg anavar daily for a short while instead (or both).

 

[Liter O' Test]

Hey was considering doing a moderate stack primarily for muscle retention while i cut off some pound im sitting at about 16-18% body fat about 75kg and want to drop 5-10kg in the most optimal way to help lean out.

my stack so far was going to be a daily
- 25mg of SLU-PP-332,
- 50mg 5-Amino-1mq,
- split dose of 10mg Anavar in the morning and evening
+ some TUDCA to help with liver toxicity of the var.

Im not against doing injectables and have in the past but want to avoid anything requiring IM injections as I have had bad history of very significant bruising when doing them and would honestly just want to avoid it. Any tips?

you are really missing the forest for the trees, none of that stuff will help in any significant way and wherever you have been "learning" about this stuff , stop reading from there. youve already cut to 10% with reta, and you dont have your natural testosterone bloodwork, but you are thinking about random research chems and tudca for anavar rather than just checking your natural testosterone or planning a real cycle, i

mean it sounds like you dont even do injections properly and you are considering just doing anavar, so you have a lot to learn so I think you just do a GLP and hold off on making high risk low return decisions.

also HGH should be completely off the table as well... just because you can buy these things doesnt mean you should take them

 

[RockyP]

you are really missing the forest for the trees, none of that stuff will help in any significant way and wherever you have been "learning" about this stuff , stop reading from there. youve already cut to 10% with reta, and you dont have your natural testosterone bloodwork, but you are thinking about random research chems and tudca for anavar rather than just checking your natural testosterone or planning a real cycle, i

mean it sounds like you dont even do injections properly and you are considering just doing anavar, so you have a lot to learn so I think you just do a GLP and hold off on making high risk low return decisions.

also HGH should be completely off the table as well... just because you can buy these things doesnt mean you should take them

This is really more of what I wanted to say but I understand that people will do what they want to do and (sometimes) do so in spite of proper advice. So I opted to hedge a bit and go for harm mitigation. But ^^^ is really the move,

 

[Bandern]

Somebody slip a bottle of test into this guys purse

 

[hexagonal]

So you want to do an oral only cycle with a bunch of other random shit that may or may not actually do anything. Not a good idea.

Plain ol' testosterone is your best bet for your goals. You can do it SubQ - don't have to go IM. For muscle retention while leaning out a regular TRT dose is going to be enough for the overwhelming majority of people - just having a more steady state level of test that is on the higher end of the range is a massive force for muscle retention. Maybe add on some HGH if you want, it will also help here.

Temper expectations on growth. You're in a caloric deficit. The more fat you have and the less trained you are the more likely you are to add muscle while in a deficit, but the leaner you get and the more muscle you have the harder this gets. If you're in the position to grow in a deficit, even the TRT dose will be enough.

Save growth goals for growth phases.

 

[tmtspet]

While I don't think that you need any drugs to lose a few pounds / kg (i'm assuming at 75 kg you are not beyond your genetic potential for muscle gain), if you are wanting to try something, a low dose of test (150 mg) will be more than enough anti-catabolism for your goals. You won't need an AI or masteron or primo to control E2 at that dosage. All of the other things mentioned are overkill. SLU and 5-amino do work, but you can get to where you want to go with diet and training. The guys I know who are running those compounds are doing it to get from 8 to 6% bf with a ton of other shit on board that has fizzled out, including the anabolics they are running to maintain their lean tissue at a level that is beyond their natural ceiling. A 75 kg man does not need anabolic steroids to lose 5 to 10 kg. Nobody needs anabolic steroids of GH to lose fat (but hey, we all do it anyway right?) These drugs can be helpful to retain muscle when dieting down hard, like from 12% to 6% (when you are already carrying extra lean tissue from a bulk that was put on with drugs because it was beyond your natural potential). So if you have not already maxed out your natural potential for lean muscle gain, and if you have not already bulked on a cycle of drugs and are now sitting at a level of lean mass that is beyond your natural potential, you don't need anabolics to hold on to any of that supraphysiologial muscle as you diet. If you eat properly, don't overdo cardio, and train intensely, you will achieve your goals. But like I said, if you are hell bent on using something, a touch of test will do. If you dont like needles, i'd say 10 - 25 mg anavar daily for a short while instead (or both).

you are really missing the forest for the trees, none of that stuff will help in any significant way and wherever you have been "learning" about this stuff , stop reading from there. youve already cut to 10% with reta, and you dont have your natural testosterone bloodwork, but you are thinking about random research chems and tudca for anavar rather than just checking your natural testosterone or planning a real cycle, i

mean it sounds like you dont even do injections properly and you are considering just doing anavar, so you have a lot to learn so I think you just do a GLP and hold off on making high risk low return decisions.

also HGH should be completely off the table as well... just because you can buy these things doesnt mean you should take them

I have bloodwork done was sitting at 550 natural and 135 free same with lipid panels and igf-1 I’m not worried about my current health but wanted to avoid injection because I suck at them lol I’ve done Reta before and lost the weight but lost muscle mass while doing so

 

[BigDadd7]

I have bloodwork done was sitting at 550 natural and 135 free same with lipid panels and igf-1 I’m not worried about my current health but wanted to avoid injection because I suck at them lol I’ve done Reta before and lost the weight but lost muscle mass while doing so

If you lost muscle, it's because you ate like shit. Stop being an idiot. Sucking at injections. What a dumb excuse.