low dose tren ace experiment

[bananafeet]

"Medroxyprogesterone acetate is a more widely used synthetic progestogen. Medroxyprogesterone reduced production of cytokines and serotonin that are involved in anorexia/cachexia in cancer patients.251 Two placebo-controlled randomized studies have been reported in which increased appetite resulted.252,253 In one study, significant increases in rapid turnover proteins such as serum thyroid-binding prealbumin and retinol-binding protein were reported.252 In spite of increased appetite, no weight gain was produced in either study."

Source: Treatment of Cachexia - Holland-Frei Cancer Medicine - NCBI Bookshelf

I suppose this is an example of how a progestin can reduce cachexia or improve nutrient partitioning.

Look I'm not really trying to prove anything here or whatever just trying to demystify trenbolone to make it seem less special.

There is nothing magick going on here. Just some blocking of catabolism and some strong anabolic signalling. The nutrient partitioner thing is basically blocking a very important part of the metabolic process.

This explains in part why tren makes you go hypoglycemic or crave carbs. It's stopping you from being able to raise your blood sugar levels. Probably where the tren rage comes from. Chronic low blood sugar levels that peak cortisol. Combine this with reduced sleep and less sympathetic tone and you get rage.

 

[bananafeet]

Yup. I’m not a competitor so I’m blessed with the ability to fuck around and do experiments and see what happens on my own time.

I always enjoy your posts banana. For myself while powerlifting style fatboy cycles work fine but with more management and less visible results, I’m looking forward to blasting at 11% and found that TRT or a low cruise stack in limited exposures is all I need for cutting. Slow & steady with some recomp or at least no muscle lost is the goal, and I’d rather burn some extra weeks getting there than arrive all fucked up.

To address your specific points I found that going from 200mg TRT to 300mg T cruise gave a small but noticable boost to recomp. Adding 80 deca gave noticable but not dramatic joint relief but fuckall for both sides and strength, and I respond well to medium doses of nandrolone.

Thanks bro. Just trying to make sense of it all myself.

 

[Mfras]

Thanks bro. Just trying to make sense of it all myself.

Was posting while warming up my car and had a thought on my way home about tren and why I want to give it a go again in the context of your offering alternatives for some of its benefits.

I think we both have realistic ideas of what it actually does vs the spectacular temporary effects and mild (at least for us so far) sides.

But after playing with dbol and adrol after never being interested but always curious I’ve come to view tren as having some similarities to anadrol as far as mild cns aggression & pain tolerance allowing harder training. I think that this is definitely a selling point for me to try it in a stack, and while trying to lean bulk as a former fatty the partitioning is attractive as well.

Didn’t run crazy hot under 200 of Ace so the uncoupling would be hopefully a mostly avoided effect in my stack- I want to control available fuel with minimum chaos since the water onboarding with the cycle will make the scale unreliable, at least until everything is saturated, and I’ll be watching the waistline with a tape and have my thumb on training quality and energy. Plus to be real I’ll probably be an honest 12% so if a little recomp happens on cycle as long as I’m in enough baby surplus to let the nand work and I get to keep 3-5lbs or better 5-6lbs of muscle after the water leaves and I consolidate and cruise I’ll be happy. Better than letting a dirty bulk spill, although I’m not gonna let shit run wild.

 

[bananafeet]

I would recommend you try winstrol during a building phase if you're open to it. It's very anabolic and pairs well with testosterone.

If you don't get the joint side effects it would be good to build some tissue. You only need 20mg daily if it's properly dosed. I've found running it for 3-4 days is enough for it to kick in for about a week. The strength boost you get isn't immediate but takes a while to kick in.

That's my experience anyway. I've come to rely on my own experience than what is reported online or in the literature.

 

[adrenalytic]

However you could get that signalling from testosterone.

why not just give test to cows then? seems like a cheaper more abundant alternative but idk.

ust some blocking of catabolism and some strong anabolic signalling.

so you're saying it's awesome?

This explains in part why tren makes you go hypoglycemic or crave carbs. It's stopping you from being able to raise your blood sugar levels. Probably where the tren rage comes from. Chronic low blood sugar levels that peak cortisol. Combine this with reduced sleep and less sympathetic tone and you get rage.

I experience none of this. Sucks to be someone who does. *shrug*

 

[bananafeet]

why not just give test to cows then? seems like a cheaper more abundant alternative but idk.



so you're saying it's awesome?



I experience none of this. Sucks to be someone who does. *shrug*

They don't give testosterone to cows because it doesn't have a strong anti catabolic action due to a lack of progesterone receptor affinity. It increases muscle protien synthesis at higher doses but at those doses it also increases aggression. The size of the pellet required is not practical.

Anabolism is muscle protien synthesis minus catabolic processes. So by providing a low dose of tren you push the balance to net muscle accrual. Tren is potent enough to put in a small pellet. I'm guessing that's why.

Side effects are dose dependant. I've not experienced them either. Maybe a bit of hypoglycemia, sweats and cramping.

I never said tren wasn't awesome but trying to put it into context so it doesn't seem magical

 

[adrenalytic]

They don't give testosterone to cows because it doesn't have a strong anti catabolic action due to a lack of progesterone receptor affinity. It increases muscle protien synthesis at higher doses but at those doses it also increases aggression. The size of the pellet required is not practical.

Anabolism is muscle protien synthesis minus catabolic processes. So by providing a low dose of tren you push the balance to net muscle accrual. Tren is potent enough to put in a small pellet. I'm guessing that's why.

Side effects are dose dependant. I've not experienced them either. Maybe a bit of hypoglycemia, sweats and cramping.

I never said tren wasn't awesome but trying to put it into context so it doesn't seem magical

'preciate you. I stopped believing in magic many years ago I just like tren.

 

[Ducati0n]

Hey, microdosing tren is actually a great idea to benefit from all the positive attributes. These positive benefits are all fullfilled at around 70-120mg Tren per week. I would always prefer Tren Ace btw, since u can act faster and
settle faster in case the negative attributes start overwhelming u.

Everything higher than 120mg is just a bad version of, lets say, testosterone.