Morning blood sugar is 147?

[MFAAS]

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Ok when its worded like that it makes sense. to take full advantage of the GLUT4 after the gh is already in the system. yea if i dont buy shit I dont eat it but with the holidays all everything ive been off a diet haha So if I wanted to use inslulin i would shoot post training?

I'm not sure about the slin usage, that is something that I've never really read into as I never planned on using slin. I would imagine you'd take it with your post workout meal?

 

[barbell001]

Training increases glucose disposal drastically. It allows the glucose to get stored in your muscles as glycogen, as the GLUT4 transporter moves to the surface of your fat and muscle cells to snatch up glucose from your blood.

So a post training meal is waaaay different than eating 100g carbs, sleeping, eating half a bag of cheetohs, then sleeping some more. Not even close to comparable.

BTW GLUT4 remains at the surface of the cell for around 4 hours after training. That is why exercise improves insulin sensitivity, insulin basicslly acts like a key,, and GLUT4 is the lock. Insulin binds to GLUT4, enabling the cells to soak up glucose and other nutrients. This is why post workout nutrition is so awesome.

Edit: and this whole mechanism of action is also perhaps why I believe @Type-IIx recently recommended training 4 hours after HGH dosing..? Or am I misremembering? Do correct me if I am wrong.

Even a brisk 25 minute walk several times a week rapidly increases insulin sensitivity if you are suffering from high blood sugar readings, it doesn't always have to be weight training that you do. Anything to get the sugar levels down in your blood rather than it just sitting in there as a result of being inactive/dormant at home is good. ALA, berberine, Cinnamon, Chromium, Magnesium, Inositol have all been proven to decrease high blood sugar over several months.

 

[MFAAS]

Even a brisk 25 minute walk several times a week rapidly increases insulin sensitivity if you are suffering from high blood sugar readings, it doesn't always have to be weight training that you do. Anything to get the sugar levels down in your blood rather than it just sitting in there as a result of being inactive/dormant at home is good. ALA, berberine, Cinnamon, Chromium, Magnesium, Inositol have all been proven to decrease high blood sugar over several months.

Yes, especially if you walk after a meal there is an acute benefit. This has been shown to have a significant beneficial effect on insulin response post- meal. It also improves digestion. I love post meal walks.

I took cinnamon for a while, but then the supplement I was taking went out of stock for a long time and i never picked it back up.

One very important note is to be careful as you must take Ceylon cinnamon or Ceylon cinnamon extract. Cassia cinnamon actually has deleterious health effects in high doses or when taken as a supplement. This is what most cinnamon in the store is. Getting it from a reputable brand, preferably that's been third party tested is critical for anyone taking cinnamon or berberine. Berberine has often been found severely underdosed or tainted with toxic impurities.

 

[eery]

Yes, especially if you walk after a meal there is an acute benefit. This has been shown to have a significant beneficial effect on insulin response post- meal. It also improves digestion. I love post meal walks.

I took cinnamon for a while, but then the supplement I was taking went out of stock for a long time and i never picked it back up.

One very important note is to be careful as you must take Ceylon cinnamon or Ceylon cinnamon extract. Cassia cinnamon actually has deleterious health effects in high doses or when taken as a supplement. This is what most cinnamon in the store is. Getting it from a reputable brand, preferably that's been third party tested is critical for anyone taking cinnamon or berberine. Berberine has often been found severely underdosed or tainted with toxic impurities.

You can sub berberine for metformin too.

 

[Juicedhead]

Thank you for the posts guys. I have looked into a few things and am making diet changes to bring it down. Would metformin be better then berberine? Isn’t berberine a supplement and metformin a drug ?

 

[MFAAS]

Thank you for the posts guys. I have looked into a few things and am making diet changes to bring it down. Would metformin be better then berberine? Isn’t berberine a supplement and metformin a drug ?

Correct. Also it can be difficult to get real berberine. A lot of the support are underdosed or contaminated with toxic crap like metals. I would just clean up the diet and see where that puts you. Can you take 15 minute walks after each meal? Would intermittent fasting be possible? Ideally 16 fasted 8 hour eating window. But you could do 15/9 if needed, or 14/10 with some cardio, but I am not sure how much that would help. Probably anything, even 12 hours fasted, would be an improvement from eating empty calories in the middle of the night.

 

[Juicedhead]

Correct. Also it can be difficult to get real berberine. A lot of the support are underdosed or contaminated with toxic crap like metals. I would just clean up the diet and see where that puts you. Can you take 15 minute walks after each meal? Would intermittent fasting be possible? Ideally 16 fasted 8 hour eating window. But you could do 15/9 if needed, or 14/10 with some cardio, but I am not sure how much that would help. Probably anything, even 12 hours fasted, would be an improvement from eating empty calories in the middle of the night.

Yea I think cleaning the diet will help a lot considering I’m only slightly above normal blood sugar levels being on gh and mk I’d think that pretty good for a guy eating 500grams carbs a day. I mean when we are eating 5k cals a day it’s going to be hard to keep blood sugars low. I bet most bodybuilders run higher blood sugar when in a growing phase pushing food. I’m looking into glucose disposal agents possibly too.

 

[barbell001]

Thank you for the posts guys. I have looked into a few things and am making diet changes to bring it down. Would metformin be better then berberine? Isn’t berberine a supplement and metformin a drug ?

It just crossed my mind - Since you have started getting high Blood sugar readings have you been to the Doctors and had a HBA1c test done at all? This will show your last 3 months average blood glucose level via your haemoglobin. You may find if it has been high for a while without you being aware of it you may be falling into the Pre-Diabetic range which means something is very wrong somewhere with either with your diet, liver/pancreas or general lifestyle. This is the stage before Diabeties which I am sure you know you DO NOT WANT.

 

[eery]

Yea I think cleaning the diet will help a lot considering I’m only slightly above normal blood sugar levels being on gh and mk I’d think that pretty good for a guy eating 500grams carbs a day. I mean when we are eating 5k cals a day it’s going to be hard to keep blood sugars low. I bet most bodybuilders run higher blood sugar when in a growing phase pushing food. I’m looking into glucose disposal agents possibly too.

id suggest you keep 500-1000mg metformin in as a staple when using more then 3-4iu GH.

Make sure to educate yourself on in though, some people get the shits when they start at 1000mg for example but it gets better over time for most people. You can dose it before bed to help ease this.

 

[Juicedhead]

id suggest you keep 500-1000mg metformin in as a staple when using more then 3-4iu GH.

Make sure to educate yourself on in though, some people get the shits when they start at 1000mg for example but it gets better over time for most people. You can dose it before bed to help ease this.

I was going to add berberine at 300mg twice daily. Metformin with that? Or one or the other?

 

[Juicedhead]

It just crossed my mind - Since you have started getting high Blood sugar readings have you been to the Doctors and had a HBA1c test done at all? This will show your last 3 months average blood glucose level via your haemoglobin. You may find if it has been high for a while without you being aware of it you may be falling into the Pre-Diabetic range which means something is very wrong somewhere with either with your diet, liver/pancreas or general lifestyle. This is the stage before Diabeties which I am sure you know you DO NOT WANT.

I had an hba1c test done about 1.5 years ago and my doc said it was perfect. I think it was a combination of the holidays and eating like a jackass haha cuz I did go crazy over the holidays with food. But that’s not an all the time thing it could’ve just been that. Cuz I feel great and I don’t have any signs of pre diabetes or anything like that. Im not obese but my BMI is high im not sure how that works with diabetes if it has to be high fat mass or just overall high body mass. And I was reading that poor diet can’t really cause diabetes it’s more so being obese. Idk definitely opened my eyes to my lifestyle haha I mean im 30 now so I have to start remembering that my body isn’t as resistant as it was when I was early 20s.

 

[eery]

I was going to add berberine at 300mg twice daily. Metformin with that? Or one or the other?

I'd finish the berberine and see how you like it and compare it with metformin when you run that.

 

[Juicedhead]

I'd finish the berberine and see how you like it and compare it with metformin when you run that.

I’m going to do that. I was reading studies they are very similar

 

[Demondosage]

I recommend for lipolysis if you're on rhGH, to do your bolus (a single bolus, going for maximal peak GH rather than multiple administrations) 2-3 hr pre-workout within 1-2 hr of a meal ideally (as insulin resistance begins after 1-2 hr post-bolus), such that post-absorptive or post-prandial admin. occurs though the user may also eat within 1-2 hr (to be safer within 1 hr, though what is preferred is a meal just before the bolus), and then post-workout (indeed when GLUT4 has migrated to the cell membrane) to eat after a 1-1.5 hr session such that your subsequent meal (post-bolus) is as close to 4 hr post-administration as possible. This solves several problems, it is at this time when the insulin resistance induced by GH is at its theoretical nadir due to the GLUT4-mediated mechanism and this also maintains homeostasis with the post-meal drop in circulating FFAs, provided for the typical 4-5 meals daily in the population.

Great advice rt there, listen to him

 

[Juicedhead]

Great advice rt there, listen to him

So he’s basically saying shoot all your gh 2-3 hr before training?

 

[Demondosage]

So he’s basically saying shoot all your gh 2-3 hr before training?

Yes, this way there is metabolic activity post shot, it’s believed that multiple dosing throughout the day keeps blood glucose higher than once a day HGH shots. John meadows was actually a big proponent of hitting HGH like this

 

[Juicedhead]

Yes, this way there is metabolic activity post shot, it’s believed that multiple dosing throughout the day keeps blood glucose higher than once a day HGH shots. John meadows was actually a big proponent of hitting HGH like this

Yes I agree. I have heard that multiple dosing causes more insulin resistant. I switched to a single dose and have noticed less sides as well. When I was on 10iu I would do 5iu morning and 5iu before bed and had very bad Carole tunnel in my hands. But I dose once daily now before bed and I don’t have as bad as Carple tunnel or water retention . Could also be cuz I’m not getting as much igf-1 response only dosing once but I know that’s what Ronnie and anyone Chad Nichols coaches did. They did 10iu before bed and thats right from Chad’s mouth

 

[Iamnatty]

Hey guys so I wanted to start watching my blood sugar levels since I’ve been on gh for quite some time now I’d say a few months anyway. I was on 8iu and have been down to 4iu for the past couple weeks. So I took my blood sugar this morning after no food for 5-6 hours and it’s 147. Should I be considered? I know gh can cause high blood sugars but how high? Also I ate like shit yesterday a lot of high carb/sugar meals. Last time I have blood work done when they checked my A1C they said my A1C was perfect and blood sugar was normal..
Edit: I’m also using 12.5mg injectable mk677 every morning but I haven’t taken it yet today.
Thanks

What did you think of 8iu compared to a dose of like 5 iu

 

[Juicedhead]

Hey guys just wanted to give an update here. I dropped the mk677 and am still using gh at 5iu. Also cleaned up my diet a lot and cut out any processed sugars/foods. My fasting glucose has been 80 or below the past week.

 

[Juicedhead]

What did you think of 8iu compared to a dose of like 5 iu

Big difference in size gain. If you’re using gh for anabolic effect I’d recommend at least 6 but more like 8-10.