my experience with masteron/prop/var (ai dosage, estrogen issues, mood)

[brewu4]

just wanted to share my experience to anyone who wants to try a stack similar.


im now 6.5 weeks in taking test prop and mast prop 150/100mg each eod. anavar 75mg ed. I have just finished my masteron today, have another 2 weeks worth of test and another week of var.

this is my 4th cycle, first one was test e only- 10 weeks. second and third were prop and var- 8 weeks each. always run hcg at 500 a week during and follow proper pct after.

I decided to introduce a new injectable compound for the first time in masteron. I am going for more of a classic hard/dry zane style look and like short cycles. my last cycle was awesome. great results great mood.

estrogen issues and ai dosage tinkering

last cycle I did have some estrogen related issues like lumps that I had to fight off with letro (iron dragon) at one point. It was my fault I was taking .25 adex (HG) e3d's and just kind of slacked off because I had no sides.. I had to use letro for like 5 days up to 2ml and dried out bad and fast. I got it back under control with the adex after stopping the letro

well this time I went with aromasin at 12.5 eod instead since I was adding the masteron in and it may have some AI'ish effects correct? so everything else is the same- test, var is the same added masteron from the same source (who I have faith in and have used multiple times now). had gyno symptoms flare up. I upped the aromasin to 12.5 ed, then 25 for a couple before I used the letro (new order same company). started with .25ml... did that two days and on third I did .5-- this was much less than I used before, I worked up to 2 ml almost of letro last time. it took that much to get rid of the gyno but at that dosage I dried out so bad it was like I was on a direutic. but I didn't get sick.. just a little limp dick.

this time at a dose of .5 I think my e2 levels crashed hard I got very sick for the first time in a long time and was pretty off for a few days. this makes sense because of the masterons ai like properties.. I did not need as much letro to lower ai so quick.. and at the lower dosage of letro my joints didn't dry out and I didn't dehydrate, I just suffered the ill effects of low e2 levels.

got it under control now at 12.5 mg aromasin ed. I am so fucking sensitive to gyno! or paranoid

mood changes
I don't know if its cause its a dht derivative? but I am an asshole on this. like very rude in my head lol and annoyed, that's not me normally. I have to remind myself I have something altering my personality a little bit. when on test and var alone I feel amazing and in good spirits. the masteron makes me have to hide the awkward vibe that you are annoying me.. poor gf of mine

I take note of my diet daily and weekly and track my mood and energy levels... these last 6 weeks my mood is much worse than before the mast.

probably wont do it again. think it helped with vascularity a little but I have freaky veins as it is. Looking to swtich to primo next time!
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cliffs- if you are sensitive to estrogen related sides start with a low ai doesage if you are on masteron. don't expect the masteron to be enough of an ai unless your test is under 300 or perhaps if your masteron is very high 600+ a week. I would have letro on hand in case it gets sticky... but be very gentle with it! .25 tops until its better. you don't need as much when on just test

also expect to become a little more dickish in nature. some people might like it and see it as a kind of confidence or something in themselves, but not me. sounds silly but I know myself very well and this stuff makes me less empathetic.

all in all I do like the effects of masteron on my physique but do not plan on using it again

would not recommend unless you are 8% or lower. im around 7 right now

 

[Izk]

Great post bro. I really like that you added all the mental changes in there.

Could you post up your pct plan and pre+post blood tests also how much weight did you gain from this cycle. Always good to get more cycle logs in the meso books.

 

[foreveryoung]

How are libido and erection quality through all that?

 

[weighted chinup]

Awesome post. I have heard a lot of people talk about Mast giving them some pretty negative mental side effects, seems to be pretty bad in that aspect. Def give Primo a try though, I'm sure it will give you the effect your looking for, hopefully without the mind-fuck.

You mentioned not recommending mast unless you are lean - do you still think when dosed at around 500-700mg / week it can be effective at putting on lean body mass without all the extra water and glycogen that comes with other drugs? Or do you think its effects are mostly hardening / temporary.

 

[brutus79]

Thanks for the post... and if I may give you some future cycle advice I would stay away from tren... masteron put me in a great mood, but after two cycles of tren although I LOVE the physical results I will never touch it again because of what it does to me mentally. Murderous rage at all times- bad news.

 

[HuckingFuge]

Mast dose was too low. Mast at 400mg a week minimum. I think your AI was bunk, should of been no reason to go from Aromasin to Letro. while running Mast too. the Letro worked, but the Aromasin I would be leery of.

 

[brewu4]

Great post bro. I really like that you added all the mental changes in there.

Could you post up your pct plan and pre+post blood tests also how much weight did you gain from this cycle. Always good to get more cycle logs in the meso books.

Ok I didn't have bloodwork done since my last cycle was about 6 weeks finished but will be checking after. after last cycle of test and var ast alt were a little elevated still.. test serum was almost 500 I think its probably climbed a little higher. im usually ketogenic very high fat low carbs so my hdl numbers are always through the roof 80-90 while my triglycerides are typically under 60... although they were slighty elevated at the time of my last test.

pct I am gonna keep running the aromasin 12.5 eod with nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid at 100 for a couple days the 50 for the rest of 4 weeks

right now gained about 2 lbs but strength is up as well as definition. not looking to gain weight

 

[brewu4]

How are libido and erection quality through all that?

ok you asked for it...

libido is definitely slightly higher than when on just test by itself. I feel like im swinging the hammer of thor between my legs its like fucking titanium. Plowing anything that looks my way and gives me the vibe

but loads are like half of what the are normally this is new for me never had this with just test.

 

[brewu4]

Awesome post. I have heard a lot of people talk about Mast giving them some pretty negative mental side effects, seems to be pretty bad in that aspect. Def give Primo a try though, I'm sure it will give you the effect your looking for, hopefully without the mind-fuck.

You mentioned not recommending mast unless you are lean - do you still think when dosed at around 500-700mg / week it can be effective at putting on lean body mass without all the extra water and glycogen that comes with other drugs? Or do you think its effects are mostly hardening / temporary.

yes the mood changes suck. I can feel myself giving off asshole vibes, not fun cuz usually on cycle I am super happy and its like a mood elevator

I ended up taking 400- 500 the last week or 2. IMO it does not seem very effective at putting on LBM. It seems to be more of an aesthetic thing. definitely gave a slightly grainy look. but in fact I would say my athletic performance has suffered compared to test only (I am pretty active in mma)

I honestly liked the look I had when I was on just the test prop, var, and arimidex better. I seemed to hold less water than I am now doing the masteron at 350-500 and the aromasin. I think the adex would possibly be overkill on the estrogen levels on masteron. I am about 5 lbs heavier now then when on my last cycle and I think its mostly water.

That said im still not a bloated moon face by any means I just had a photo shoot I just really like the dry classic look. If I cant get primo I probably will stay clear of masteron in the future. you could potentially look at EQ as well if you are wanting a little drier gains... a good anavar is better than masteron IMO. thats where I would put my money

 

[brewu4]

Thanks for the post... and if I may give you some future cycle advice I would stay away from tren... masteron put me in a great mood, but after two cycles of tren although I LOVE the physical results I will never touch it again because of what it does to me mentally. Murderous rage at all times- bad news.

ive always been weary as something so powerful as tren because I think it shuts your down harder and obviously has a serious set of sides... ive seen people have anxiety attaks and freak out on tren. never thought that would be me, but after this run I have my doubts. its good to look nice. but at the end of the day I don't want change who I am and how I think, the kind of person I act like ect.. thats way more important than quicker gains.

 

[HuckingFuge]

yes the mood changes suck. I can feel myself giving off asshole vibes, not fun cuz usually on cycle I am super happy and its like a mood elevator

I ended up taking 400- 500 the last week or 2. IMO it does not seem very effective at putting on LBM. It seems to be more of an aesthetic thing. definitely gave a slightly grainy look. but in fact I would say my athletic performance has suffered compared to test only (I am pretty active in mma)

I honestly liked the look I had when I was on just the test prop, var, and arimidex better. I seemed to hold less water than I am now doing the masteron at 350-500 and the aromasin. I think the adex would possibly be overkill on the estrogen levels on masteron. I am about 5 lbs heavier now then when on my last cycle and I think its mostly water.

That said im still not a bloated moon face by any means I just had a photo shoot I just really like the dry classic look. If I cant get primo I probably will stay clear of masteron in the future. you could potentially look at EQ as well if you are wanting a little drier gains... a good anavar is better than masteron IMO. thats where I would put my money

are you getting Aromasin and Adex confused? Adex stops estrogen production 50% and Aromasin stops estrogen production by 80% to 90%.

 

[brewu4]

Mast dose was too low. Mast at 400mg a week minimum. I think your AI was bunk, should of been no reason to go from Aromasin to Letro. while running Mast too. the Letro worked, but the Aromasin I would be leery of.

I ended up the last 2 weeks over 400, I wanted to test it a little on the low side and had plans to run again in the future upwards of 600 or so if I liked it.

the aromasin is pharm grade. I just think I am very sensitive to estro sides (had issues as a teen) and 12.5 eod wasn't enough on the low dosage of mast. when I upped the masteron a little bit and switched to ed dosing of aromasin I have been feeing fine now almost 2 weeks off of letro.

what dosage do you have experience with? you feel anything similar to me?

 

[HuckingFuge]

I ended up the last 2 weeks over 400, I wanted to test it a little on the low side and had plans to run again in the future upwards of 600 or so if I liked it.

the aromasin is pharm grade. I just think I am very sensitive to estro sides (had issues as a teen) and 12.5 eod wasn't enough on the low dosage of mast. when I upped the masteron a little bit and switched to ed dosing of aromasin I have been feeing fine now almost 2 weeks off of letro.

what dosage do you have experience with? you feel anything similar to me?

when doing a cycle I'll run Mast at 1g+, I've not experienced your bad sides from Mast. I don't run an AI either. that is crazy how such a small dose of Prop gave you such estrogen issues. now you know you need to take Aromasin ED.

 

[brewu4]

your right fucking huge I went blank for a second.. you know I really played around with the letro doses for almost 2 weeks im guessing thats what had such a big impact on my water retention. so theoretically I should be holding less water on masteron and aromasin than on test and adex.. must be the letro usuage I only used it 3 days this time

 

[brewu4]

any prostate issues at all with that dose?

and yes it sucks being so sensitive hence why I am looking to primo

at least ill never go bald! good genetics there

 

[HuckingFuge]

your right fucking huge I went blank for a second.. you know I really played around with the letro doses for almost 2 weeks im guessing thats what had such a big impact on my water retention. so theoretically I should be holding less water on masteron and aromasin than on test and adex.. must be the letro usuage I only used it 3 days this time

I was like this isn't making sense to me.

 

[HuckingFuge]

any prostate issues at all with that dose?

and yes it sucks being so sensitive hence why I am looking to primo

at least ill never go bald! good genetics there

no prostate issues and I've been on Mast for a couple years strait now.


you should try a cycle without Test. you are not looking for size, so unless you are old. you don't need Test. should try a DHT only cycle or maybe a Primo and NPP cycle. have Test on hand in case you get issues with the dick, from the NPP.

 

[brewu4]

thats exactly what I would like to do is a 16 week primo cycle at 700mg a week, var the last 8 weeks. maybe trt level test. was thinking about npp- haven't set on whether to add or not

but primo is so god damn hard to find!

 

[HuckingFuge]

thats exactly what I would like to do is a 16 week primo cycle at 700mg a week, var the last 8 weeks. maybe trt level test. was thinking about npp- haven't set on whether to add or not

but primo is so god damn hard to find!

I wish it was easy to get legit Primo and cheaper Primo gives you a great look.

 

[Demondosage]

aromasyn is like the hidden secret for looking dry as hell and hard as nails!! Definitely the best inhibitor there is IMO, a little pricier but well worth it.

Mast has it's positives and negatives. It will make you rock hard and it can be run for longer cycles, but you stand correct on the mood. I think you're on the right track switching to primo, but you will not get any more from primo than masteron until you get in the 6-700mg/wk range with the primo. 6-700 is the sweet spot