my hcg experience

[cpeil2]

So? What is this a cult or something?

No, he's just keeping you on point.

 

[DavidZ]

But the benefits of fish oil are not only because they deliver Omega-3 oils. It is because of the specific kinds of omega-3 oils that they deliver: EPA and DHA. It is very difficult to get significant amounts of these specific fatty acids, without or without the "Mediterranean diet."

Can you cite any studies that show that fish oil pills have health benefits?

 

[davejohnson]

Can you cite any studies that show that fish oil pills have health benefits?

Are you kidding? Type fish oil into medline, and you'll have weeks of reading. While your point about isolated nutrients is valid, fish oil is an exception to the rule.

SWALE is absolutely right; fish oil is both invaluable and unobtainable by eating fish due to PCBs/mercury.

Moreoever, it's fantastic for fat loss.

Here are a couple of studies, and there are many, many more. Note that DHA and EPA are contained in high quanitities in fish oil supplements. These are the fats that the second article refers to.



Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 1997 Aug;21(8):637-43.

Effect of dietary fish oil on body fat mass and basal fat oxidation in healthy adults.

Couet C, Delarue J, Ritz P, Antoine JM, Lamisse F.

Laboratoire de Nutrition et Clinique Medicale A, J.E. 313, Universite Francois Rabelais, 37000 Tours, France.

OBJECTIVE: To investigate whether the substitution of fish oil for visible fats in a control diet (52% carbohydrates, 16% protein, 32% fat; P:S 0.2) influences body fat mass and substrate oxidation in healthy adults. DESIGN: Six volunteers (5 men; 23 +/- 2 y; BMI: 21.9 +/- 1.6) were fed a control diet ad libitum during a period of three weeks and, 10-12 weeks later, the same diet where 6 g/d of visible fat were replaced by 6 g/d of fish oil (FO) for another three weeks. RESULTS: Energy intakes (IKA-calorimeter) were unchanged. Body fat mass (Dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry) decreased with FO (-0.88 +/- 0.16 vs -0.3 +/- 0.34 kg; FO vs C; P < 0.05). When adjusted for lean body mass (Ancova), resting metabolic rate (indirect calorimetry) was unchanged. Basal respiratory quotient decreased with FO (0.815 +/- 0.02 vs 0.834 +/- 0.02; P < 0.05) and basal lipid oxidation increased with FO (1.06 +/- 0.17 vs 0.87 +/- 0.13 mg kg(-1) min(-1); P < 0.05). CONCLUSION: Dietary FO reduces body fat mass and stimulates lipid oxidation in healthy adults.



Omega-3 fatty acids.

Covington MB.

University of Maryland School of Medicine, Center for Integrative Medicine, Baltimore, Maryland 21207, USA. mcovington@compmed.umm.edu

Omega-3 fatty acids have been shown to significantly reduce the risk for sudden death caused by cardiac arrhythmias and all-cause mortality in patients with known coronary heart disease. Fatty fish, such as salmon and tuna, and fish oil are rich sources of the omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid. Flaxseed, canola oil, and walnuts also are good dietary sources of omega-3 fatty acids. In addition to being antiarrhythmic, the omega-3 fatty acids are antithrombotic and anti-inflammatory. In contrast, omega-6 fatty acids, which are present in most seeds, vegetable oils, and meat, are prothrombotic and proinflammatory. Omega-3 fatty acids also are used to treat hyperlipidemia, hypertension, and rheumatoid arthritis. There are no significant drug interactions with omega-3 fatty acids. The American Heart Association recommends consumption of two servings of fish per week for persons with no history of coronary heart disease and at least one serving of fish daily for those with known coronary heart disease. Approximately 1 g per day of eicosapentaenoic acid plus docosahexaenoic acid is recommended for cardioprotection. Higher dosages of omega-3 fatty acids are required to reduce elevated triglyceride levels (2 to 4 g per day) and to reduce morning stiffness and the number of tender joints in patients with rheumatoid arthritis (at least 3 g per day). Modest decreases in blood pressure occur with significantly higher dosages of omega-3 fatty acids.

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PMID: 15259529 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[DavidZ]

Type fish oil into medline, and you'll have weeks of reading.

I did that and got a ton of articles on eating a diet high in fish.

While your point about isolated nutrients is valid, fish oil is an exception to the rule.

I can see that now from the studies you cited and the related articles on Medline. Thanks.

 

[cpeil2]

Moreoever, it's fantastic for fat loss.

People have told me this, and I have also read it. How much do you need to take in a day to encourage fat loss? 6 gr/day isn't doing much for me in that department.

 

[pmgamer18]

I can't say if the fish oil helped me lose fat. I have to much going on to tell. I went back to Weight Watchers 4 weeks ago. I have done this many times but this time is the biggest loss I ever had in 4 weeks I lost 12.5 lbs.
I started on the fist oil 6 weeks ago. I buy the tablets from Costco's 180 tablets for $11.55. 850 mg. "Concentrated" Fish Oil with 440 mg Omega-3 Fatty Acids 240 EPA and 200DHA. I am taking 6 tablets a day. Is this enough. My joints and muscles are much better in the morning when I get up so something is going on here lost weight and not sore in the morning.
Phil

 

[DavidZ]

I just bought a bottle of Carlson fish oils pills and will give them a try.

 

[pmgamer18]

My Dr. upped the amount to 4 pill 3x's a day. Now I am burping it up some times.
Phil

 

[DavidZ]

My Dr. upped the amount to 4 pill 3x's a day. Now I am burping it up some times.
Phil

12 pills a day? How many mg of Omega-3s in each pill?

 

[pmgamer18]

EPA= 240 mgs. and DHA= 200 total in tablet is 850 mgs.
Phil

 

[JCMC64]

EPA\DHA for fat loss

According to allot of research I did in this area (feel free to offer opposite viewpoint) It's 4-6 grams of EPA\DHA needed for fat loss, not just 4- 6 grams fish oil. If you work that out, in my case I need to take 15 pills a day (5x3) to hit the 4-6 grams of EPA \DHA for real fat loss. In total then, I'm taking over 15 grams of Fish Oil ED (4.5 grams EPA\DHA in my case to be exact).

There are many, many variables that go into fat loss ...obviously. But, this regimen plus eating a very clean, hi protien diet, Cardio 4 times a week, (plus my normal weight training) reduced my body fat 8% in 3 months...I do have other health concerns limiting my success, so I believe results would be even better in a healthy person. (this was done with no "Fat Loss" OTC supps).

However, common sense is just screaming at me -- how the hell did any individual in past civilizations get that much EPA\DHA daily from food alone!!!!!!!! SO, maybe the Fish Oil Supp P.R.\promotion groups hidden somewhere are really behind this!!

 

[peewee327]

i for one can attest to the poisining of eating too much fish. i ate a ton of sushi only salmon and tuna. had it almost once everyday. went to the doctor for a physical for some unknown reason he tested for heavy metals and bam way high mercury levels was almost 15 when normal is <10. stopped eating sushi and 3 months later it was down to 7. i am a patient of swales and i am sure i faxed those tests to him so the proof is in the pudding. i now take 3 tsp of carlson fish oil 2x a day for my omegas. will be getting my cholosteral checked in about a month. be very careful of how much fish you eat and if you consume alot of fish have the dr. check for heavy metals specifically mercury. most drs.will not do it on a regular physical so make sure you ask the dr. to do it so he can check it of off on the lab sheet

 

[Ronin_]

probably the totally wrong section to say this, but as far as no carbs go i have always felt terrible.

Over the last 3 weeks ive had salmon with stir fry vegetables for breakfast each morning, about 400 cals of salmon in there.

In 3 days or so i felt a massive increase in my sense of well being, a REALLY big difference in mood - upbeat alot more etc.

Ive been having 4 servings of fruit in one meal as my evening meal also paradoxically with insulin changes etc at the pm. as no carbs late at night make me feel like shit.

On this regime i feel fantastic!

A sample day is as follows:

1: 400cals salmon fillet with stir fry with olive oil. 10g of cod liver oil

2: avocado with salad and chicken

3. 600 cals mixed nuts plus chicken

4. tuna steak and olive oil with olives

5. 300 cals of v low fat cottage cheese, with 4 servings of different fruits.

6. 200 cals of mixed nuts

 

[pmgamer18]

According to allot of research I did in this area (feel free to offer opposite viewpoint) It's 4-6 grams of EPA\DHA needed for fat loss, not just 4- 6 grams fish oil. If you work that out, in my case I need to take 15 pills a day (5x3) to hit the 4-6 grams of EPA \DHA for real fat loss. In total then, I'm taking over 15 grams of Fish Oil ED (4.5 grams EPA\DHA in my case to be exact).

There are many, many variables that go into fat loss ...obviously. But, this regimen plus eating a very clean, hi protien diet, Cardio 4 times a week, (plus my normal weight training) reduced my body fat 8% in 3 months...I do have other health concerns limiting my success, so I believe results would be even better in a healthy person. (this was done with no "Fat Loss" OTC supps).

However, common sense is just screaming at me -- how the hell did any individual in past civilizations get that much EPA\DHA daily from food alone!!!!!!!! SO, maybe the Fish Oil Supp P.R.\promotion groups hidden somewhere are really behind this!!

I read Dr. Weil's book he talked about Omega 3's and how we don't get it in the food we eat anymore. Turns out when we ate beef in the old day and chicken they were full of Omega 3's because they grazed in the fields for food and the grass's they ate were full of Omega 3's so in the old days we did get a lot of Omega 3 in the food.
Phil