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My journey from permabulk to get jacked
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Eddie.
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Thank you very much man, it’s an honour!
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So here I am, approx 4 weeks out of the end of cutting.
Weight is 223, calories on TD ~2800 with 280P 40F 300C and NTD 2600 with 50gr carbs less.
Cycle is 500 Test - 500 Mast - 175 Tren and as of yesterday 30mg winstrol which I might bump to 50 in a few days, it’s the first time I use it and have no idea how it will be. Also I’m taking 6mg Reta, 3,5 IU HGH and as it seems no fat burners will be used in that cutting phase. I was tempted to throw some clen to help with fat loss but my sleep is already trash and I won’t handle sleeping under 5-6 hours I’m currently doing.
Enzo1a
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Wow! Absolutely incredible results mate you have an awesome physique let’s goooooo
Eddie.
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Damn bro, those legs are insane - like two tree trunks carved out of granite. I need to train legs twice a day now just to catch up.
Eddie.
Member
Haha thanks man! Honestly, I can't pinpoint if legs are ahead from the rest of my body. When i lean down they keep some size while being freaking veiny, they look balanced enough too.
When I'm pushing bodyweight up i get big almost everywhere except legs. They remain very lean year round but i doubt they gain extra size, so i have mixed feelings.
Also, thanks for taking the time to comment on my log, i appreciate that. How often you hit legs?
rexy
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You're one of my inspirations, Eddie. Amazing transformation, and I have loose skin in the same place also, due to leaning down very quickly the last 3 months. So I can relate in a few ways.
It's actually good to see you post pics and not hide it, because it's good to see what it looks like on someone with a great physique, vs. me where it's prominent and all somene would look at because I need to get a good base in place. IIRC, it can take up to 18m for skin to fully adjust to the loss, so I have some hope mine will rebound a bit. I think most of it happens in the first 12m. I'm on a number of supplements to help it:
- Bovine collagen 1&3 protein powder
- MSM
- Wiley's finest Summit DHA fish oil (it's mainly DHA for this purpose that you need)
- Biosil Advanced Collagen Generator
- L-Glycine 8g pre-bed (this one is for sleep support, but collagen and skin is another benefit)
- GH also helps
Feel like a woman with the Biosil
, but it is what it is. The stack is meant to be run for up to 3 months or so before anything of note takes place, but it can't hurt to try. I do think between natural snap-back and these things, it seems to be helping and I'm about 3-4 weeks in
Also seen some of your advice across the board (I'm now a stalker, lol) and we are in alignment on a lot of stuff, so you're motivating me greatly to keep consistent.
It's actually good to see you post pics and not hide it, because it's good to see what it looks like on someone with a great physique, vs. me where it's prominent and all somene would look at because I need to get a good base in place. IIRC, it can take up to 18m for skin to fully adjust to the loss, so I have some hope mine will rebound a bit. I think most of it happens in the first 12m. I'm on a number of supplements to help it:
- Bovine collagen 1&3 protein powder
- MSM
- Wiley's finest Summit DHA fish oil (it's mainly DHA for this purpose that you need)
- Biosil Advanced Collagen Generator
- L-Glycine 8g pre-bed (this one is for sleep support, but collagen and skin is another benefit)
- GH also helps
Feel like a woman with the Biosil
, but it is what it is. The stack is meant to be run for up to 3 months or so before anything of note takes place, but it can't hurt to try. I do think between natural snap-back and these things, it seems to be helping and I'm about 3-4 weeks inAlso seen some of your advice across the board (I'm now a stalker, lol) and we are in alignment on a lot of stuff, so you're motivating me greatly to keep consistent.
Eddie.
Member
You're one of my inspirations, Eddie. Amazing transformation, and I have loose skin in the same place also, due to leaning down very quickly the last 3 months. So I can relate in a few ways.
It's actually good to see you post pics and not hide it, because it's good to see what it looks like on someone with a great physique, vs. me where it's prominent and all somene would look at because I need to get a good base in place. IIRC, it can take up to 18m for skin to fully adjust to the loss, so I have some hope mine will rebound a bit. I think most of it happens in the first 12m. I'm on a number of supplements to help it:
- Bovine collagen 1&3 protein powder
- MSM
- Wiley's finest Summit DHA fish oil (it's mainly DHA for this purpose that you need)
- Biosil Advanced Collagen Generator
- L-Glycine 8g pre-bed (this one is for sleep support, but collagen and skin is another benefit)
- GH also helps
Feel like a woman with the Biosil
Also seen some of your advice across the board (I'm now a stalker, lol) and we are in alignment on a lot of stuff, so you're motivating me greatly to keep consistent.
Wow thanks for the good words buddy, i'm glad we're on the same page!
Well, I'm posting pics and don't hide it because i simply can't haha, there's no way to go unnoticed but amongst people who train and have the same lifestyle as me, honestly I'm not feeling ashamed or anything like that. Most of you here know what it takes to do a transformation. It's the normies usually that cringe with details like that.
Your protocol looks good, although i believe something good that you could use as well is GHK-Cu copper peptide. Tbh I'm not a big believer of fixing the skin again once it's damaged, but that orc may depend on the severity, duration, age and genetics.
In my case I've used in the past vitamin e lotions, vaseline and a pretty expensive creme that was made for women who wanted to tighten the skin after pregnancy. I've seen no difference. An old trick i heard about is going very lean, like stage lean and stay there as long as you can. Somehow the skin starts to tighten by itself, like autophagy or smt. Of course i couldn't do it lol, i was up n down in big Amounts of bodyweight many many times, that's why i ve lost all hopes now that my skin will ever get tight without a knife.
rexy
Member
Agree, I barely even notice it on your pics. if it wasn't for me being self-conscious about my own. I wouldn't have at all.
Agree with this also. The only reason I'm trying this stack is because apparently during the first 12-18m of it it occuring, you can 'support' the elasticity and collagen through a few supps. And mine has only just occured, and I'm 33, so figured I may as well give them a go whislt it's fresh and I'm still as young as I probably get away with before skin becomes too resistant naturally. I also take a few of the supps for other purposes anyway (the fishoil and L-glycine). I'm under no illusion though that it's more than likely going to be surgery to really refine it, if I don't get the snapback I want.
Yep, I read you mention that very lean trick elsewhere. There is definitely truth to the 'stay there as long as you can' part because that's what you need for stablility with the skin. To hit a certain point and stick it out until the skin adapts to it, THEN go up from there. I'm like you in the sense i've been up and down large amounts (from morbidly obese to fat, back to obese, now down to puny visible abs level). So I've tossed my skin around the block also, since I was a teenager. In all honesty it's only occured as I've started hitting visible abs. I'm surprised it's not 100x worse because my weight is half what it was when I was obese, and I'm only seeing the skin appear loose as I hit the sharper side of leanness. So it's a blessing in a way.
Ether way, you look phenominal no matter what happens with it, and that gives me ultimate hope!
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Eddie.
Member
That means you have chances to fix this, mine got the biggest hit when i gained 35kg of fat in 9 months when i went in the army, i was only 18 then but after that despite the young age it was obvious that skin flap will stay with me forever lol.
Thanks again buddy, it means much to me
malfeasance
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How does surgery make it look?
I have never seen before and after except in My 600 Pound Life episodes, and they have ruined their bodies in so many ways that it is not a fair assessment compared to just some loose skin on the lower abdomen. Plus, that doctor is not a plastic surgeon. He is just hacking away a big chunk and sewing the skin closed.
rexy
Member
I'm not entirely sure, but I just assumed it was better than not having it. From what i've read, which is only briefly, depending on procedure it leaves a permanent scar, but underneath - above the pubic hair area on the underside of the stomach I'm assuming. But I didn't delve too deep. It's expensive and I'd need to give it 6-12m to stabilise before I could be sure whether it was needed anyway. There are also other options to try tighten it up first before an actual removal, like microneedling.
I purposely limited my research for now to stop myself fussing too much over it until I know where it'll fix itself at, seeing as it's only just occured.
rexy
Member
Thanks for sharing that, I suspected any scarring would depend to a large degree on the competency of the person doing it - like most things!
Eddie.
Member
Surgery is somewhat brutal, definitely not something easy as a liposuction. I’ve read somewhere they have to realign and make a new belly button.
It leaves a clear scar from hip to hip that looks like C section but lower, they usually make it underneath where underwear sits so it’s not visible unless you’re fully naked.
Recovery is kinda long, from what I’ve been told you can go back to gym after 6-8 weeks and obviously start very slowly. That reason alone is enough to make me not even think about it.
It leaves a clear scar from hip to hip that looks like C section but lower, they usually make it underneath where underwear sits so it’s not visible unless you’re fully naked.
Recovery is kinda long, from what I’ve been told you can go back to gym after 6-8 weeks and obviously start very slowly. That reason alone is enough to make me not even think about it.
BabaJagga
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Eddie.
Member
You mean like Jonny Bravo with legs? Or Ovelix? xD
Thanks bro, I’m trying my best! I have invested a lot in this, physically and mentally. And financially too tbh, I spend way too much of my income around bodybuilding.
Sometimes I think what I could have done with all that money, like investing, travelling etc but i don’t wanna quit this lifestyle.
I think the extra loose saggy skin gives you some swagger. Keep it up Eddy.
Eddie.
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Eddie.
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A little update, yesterday i f@cked up my shoulder and it's quite bad. I'm dealing with such issues for years and last time it was October `23 that forced me to abstain from any pressing movements for almost a year.
This time happened on incline dumbbell press, it was my third exercise and i was quite warmed up. Weight were light for me, 90lb dumbbells since I've worked up to 125's for 12 reps in the past. I felt a sudden pain, did couple reps more, then went to a seated gymleco press and finished with some side delts and triceps.
It was fresh and after so much warming up the pain was mild, i definitely must have stopped and go home. As hours passed pain was increasing and last night i ended up sleeping like 1-2 hours max, i couldn't turn or move my arm without a struggle.
Today it hurts like fu and i feel the whole area like when you do enough side and front delt raises to failure, it's like a pump with pain. I don't know if i eventually teared up something and probably not gonna find it unless it gets worse.
It's definitely not a delt and most probably not ultraspinatus or infraspinatus. It's more towards acromion.
There's a chance this happened due to winstrol or masteron. I've seen plenty reports of ppl saying that both drying your joints.
I'm already on 2mg tb-500 and 2mg BPC daily for quite sometime now and this proves that they weren't able to prevent injury. I'm running out now and honestly thinking if it's worth to keep doing that or just let it heal. Both times i used it i didn't noticed much..
Now I'll reassess in a few days, if i can still train and just avoid pressing movements It's gonna be fine, otherwise I'll have to quit the entire cycle and my cutting phase.
This time happened on incline dumbbell press, it was my third exercise and i was quite warmed up. Weight were light for me, 90lb dumbbells since I've worked up to 125's for 12 reps in the past. I felt a sudden pain, did couple reps more, then went to a seated gymleco press and finished with some side delts and triceps.
It was fresh and after so much warming up the pain was mild, i definitely must have stopped and go home. As hours passed pain was increasing and last night i ended up sleeping like 1-2 hours max, i couldn't turn or move my arm without a struggle.
Today it hurts like fu and i feel the whole area like when you do enough side and front delt raises to failure, it's like a pump with pain. I don't know if i eventually teared up something and probably not gonna find it unless it gets worse.
It's definitely not a delt and most probably not ultraspinatus or infraspinatus. It's more towards acromion.
There's a chance this happened due to winstrol or masteron. I've seen plenty reports of ppl saying that both drying your joints.
I'm already on 2mg tb-500 and 2mg BPC daily for quite sometime now and this proves that they weren't able to prevent injury. I'm running out now and honestly thinking if it's worth to keep doing that or just let it heal. Both times i used it i didn't noticed much..
Now I'll reassess in a few days, if i can still train and just avoid pressing movements It's gonna be fine, otherwise I'll have to quit the entire cycle and my cutting phase.
