My Planned Cycle for Fall/Winter 2025

[IndividualMan]

Hello everyone, I am planning my first proper cycle for fall/Winter 2025.
The compounds avaliable to me are:
AAS: Test cyp, Test D, Test Ace, Bold U, Anavar, Turinabol, and Sdrol (test base and DHT base are avaliable as well, but i dont wanna keep stuffing my face with those goddamn troches/raw powder)
HGH/Secretagogues: MK677 (no GH due to poor)
AI: Aromasin
Other fun stuff: tadalafil, Modafinil, sertraline, Synephrine, Nebivolol, semax, epithalon, Semaglutide
stuff I am on the verge of ordering, not quite sure: Primo ace, Proviron, SLUPP (kinda expensive as finished product, primo/SLU specifically, not sure if it is worth it)

current bloods are:
Test 1750 ng/dl
E2: between 45-60
Lipids well within range, Liver markers in range,CysC/Creatinine slightly elevated/ right on the cusp of being elevated, kidneys do seem to be fine tho, been to a nephrologist, he told me it seems to be due to my Diabetes
Hematocrit is at 54, so managing blood thickness might be a concern.
on 187.5 Test E (prime Pharma, bought through opti EU)

Current stats are:
Height 184cm ~6ft .5in
Weight 80kgs
bf% 18%ish (probably less, arms/legs are lean, back striations/veins, calf veins, chest veins, I do got a fat boy stomach tho, specifically lower stomach)
measurements: 70cm waist, 45cm arms, 65/70 cm legs (left leg is pretty scarred/ missing a chunk all the way down the outside of the quad) relatively broad looking shoulders (54cm side to side in the front)
all measurements taken completely cold, no food/water/pump ~10°C room temp

Nutrition:
I have a hard time eating, usually takes about 4-6 weeks of stuffing myself before my body adjusts to a non-cut food volume.
Sticky rice, Lentils, Beans, Milk and meat are the base of my diet, current plan is to just up the milk at first, (easy liquid calories) and to up the fats, then slowly up the rice as i get used to the food volume
overall, I aim to go from my current 2400 Kcal to around 3400, then up them as i go (100-150) kcal/week.

Drug wise I am planning to use test cyp 200mg/ml (homebrew castor oil, 1.5% BA, 20% BB) and BoldU (300mg/ml homebrew Castor oil/Cottonseed Oil 1.5% BA, 15% BB) and throwing in some orals as needed (needed= i feel like it, aka Leg days/ back days when tired)

-Weeks 1-4: 300mg Test cyp, split into 2 injections

-Week 4-8: Introduce 100mg boldU, just adding .33 ml into one of the injections
-> 300mg cyp, 100mg Bold

-Week 8-14: 400 Test cyp, 150 Bold U
Bloods at the end of every 4 weeks, if they turn out to be bad, (aka kidneys ouchie) drop everything, resume 1ml cyp 4 weeks later (to let the drugs clear)
if Bloods are good/manageable, which is most likely:

-Week 14 onwards: 500 test Cyp 300 Bold U at this point i will probably just run the dose until bloods turn slightly concerning or i get sick of injecting the volume (.3 ml oil feels VERY different to .3 ml Insulin, cant imagine oil based injections above 1ml)

So yeah, any feedback would be appreciated, adjustments, any risks of any specific compounds i should know about, specific ancillaries i might need (pregabalin? Astragalus root extract, NAC, Tudca, omega3,etc.) any other Compounds i have access to that could be useful in any capacity (leveraging the MK for some extra GH secretion maybe?)

Will update this log as soon as the plans change, if no changes to the protocol are warranted the next post will be a visual update as soon as the cycle starts and will include any additional details.

 

[phenominal34]

Hello everyone, I am planning my first proper cycle for fall/Winter 2025.
The compounds avaliable to me are:
AAS: Test cyp, Test D, Test Ace, Bold U, Anavar, Turinabol, and Sdrol (test base and DHT base are avaliable as well, but i dont wanna keep stuffing my face with those goddamn troches/raw powder)
HGH/Secretagogues: MK677 (no GH due to poor)
AI: Aromasin
Other fun stuff: tadalafil, Modafinil, sertraline, Synephrine, Nebivolol, semax, epithalon, Semaglutide
stuff I am on the verge of ordering, not quite sure: Primo ace, Proviron, SLUPP (kinda expensive as finished product, primo/SLU specifically, not sure if it is worth it)

current bloods are:
Test 1750 ng/dl
E2: between 45-60
Lipids well within range, Liver markers in range,CysC/Creatinine slightly elevated/ right on the cusp of being elevated, kidneys do seem to be fine tho, been to a nephrologist, he told me it seems to be due to my Diabetes
Hematocrit is at 54, so managing blood thickness might be a concern.
on 187.5 Test E (prime Pharma, bought through opti EU)

Current stats are:
Height 184cm ~6ft .5in
Weight 80kgs
bf% 18%ish (probably less, arms/legs are lean, back striations/veins, calf veins, chest veins, I do got a fat boy stomach tho, specifically lower stomach)
measurements: 70cm waist, 45cm arms, 65/70 cm legs (left leg is pretty scarred/ missing a chunk all the way down the outside of the quad) relatively broad looking shoulders (54cm side to side in the front)
all measurements taken completely cold, no food/water/pump ~10°C room temp

Nutrition:
I have a hard time eating, usually takes about 4-6 weeks of stuffing myself before my body adjusts to a non-cut food volume.
Sticky rice, Lentils, Beans, Milk and meat are the base of my diet, current plan is to just up the milk at first, (easy liquid calories) and to up the fats, then slowly up the rice as i get used to the food volume
overall, I aim to go from my current 2400 Kcal to around 3400, then up them as i go (100-150) kcal/week.

Drug wise I am planning to use test cyp 200mg/ml (homebrew castor oil, 1.5% BA, 20% BB) and BoldU (300mg/ml homebrew Castor oil/Cottonseed Oil 1.5% BA, 15% BB) and throwing in some orals as needed (needed= i feel like it, aka Leg days/ back days when tired)

-Weeks 1-4: 300mg Test cyp, split into 2 injections

-Week 4-8: Introduce 100mg boldU, just adding .33 ml into one of the injections
-> 300mg cyp, 100mg Bold

-Week 8-14: 400 Test cyp, 150 Bold U
Bloods at the end of every 4 weeks, if they turn out to be bad, (aka kidneys ouchie) drop everything, resume 1ml cyp 4 weeks later (to let the drugs clear)
if Bloods are good/manageable, which is most likely:

-Week 14 onwards: 500 test Cyp 300 Bold U at this point i will probably just run the dose until bloods turn slightly concerning or i get sick of injecting the volume (.3 ml oil feels VERY different to .3 ml Insulin, cant imagine oil based injections above 1ml)

So yeah, any feedback would be appreciated, adjustments, any risks of any specific compounds i should know about, specific ancillaries i might need (pregabalin? Astragalus root extract, NAC, Tudca, omega3,etc.) any other Compounds i have access to that could be useful in any capacity (leveraging the MK for some extra GH secretion maybe?)

Will update this log as soon as the plans change, if no changes to the protocol are warranted the next post will be a visual update as soon as the cycle starts and will include any additional details.

It’s a log. Post a starting pic or all your stats are useless.

 

[rxzed]

It’s a log. Post a starting pic or all your stats are useless.

Why even comment if you have nothing of substance to say, and don't even read it.

"...if no changes to the protocol are warranted the next post will be a visual update as soon as the cycle starts..."

 

[rxzed]

There's a lot to unpack, but I'll try to give my 0.02.

First and foremost, lower your, of which I assume, TRT dose to something that gives you ~650 ng/dl trough, assuming you don't get hypogonadal symptoms. You're essentially on a perpetual cycle at those levels, and judging by your stats, it's not necessary at all.

Your current bloodwork is pretty concerning, particularly the elevated cystatin. What's has your A1C been? Assuming you have good control over your glucose, your kidneys should not be stressed, even more so if you're young. I recommend taking bloods after lowering test for a period of time.

In regards to compound choice, do not take orals, like literally ever. It's burning the candle at both ends for nothing that injectables can't provide, albeit they are fun. Whether you take EQ, Nandralone, Masteron, etc, you will see comparable results; use whatever you wish and gives you the greatest cycle longevity. HGH is completely unnecessary, and I certainly wouldn't try to subsitute it with a secretagogue. Though, if you can't afford HGH (which is like $0.40/IU currently), then you certainly shouldn't waste money on primo. Peptides are also unnecessary and, for the most part, flushing money down the drain. GLPs are an exception, however; I highly recommend taking one for the potential health benifits that look very promising. Tirzepatide is the one I personally recommend due to its GLP/GIP content and ratio. If you decide to use it, start at the lowest dose and work your way up to a dose that doesn't give you any appetite suppression. During a weight loss phase you can titrate that dose up.

This leads me into your supplements/ancillaries. For OTC supplements, I recommend a cheap multi vitamin, 5000iu Vitamin D, fish oil (particularly if you don't eat much fatty fish), and NAC. TUDCA as well if you decide to use orals, but again, I really don't recommend. Pharmaceutical ancillaries are the heavy hitter when it comes to health management, though. These are heavily individualized. A quick list, though.

High BP - ARB (Telmisartan) -> CCB (Amlodipine/Cilnidipine) -> Diuretic (Indapamide, Clorathiodone) OR Beta Blocker (Nebivolol)

High Cholestorol - Statin (Rosuvastatin, Atorvastatin)

The dose response for statins is inversly exponential, so low dosages are extremely effective

High E2 - AI (Aromasin, Arimidex)

I'm running out of time, but to end off with your diet. Track your macros and micros; I use cronometer. Ensure you are hitting both of these and that's 95% of it. A carb is a carb. If you really struggle with calories add sugar to shakes or eat candy. The important part of this, though, is to have the added sugar with fat and/or fiberous meals (ie. adding peanut butter and sugar to a shake, or having the candy along side a protein and vegetables/fruit). Nutrition is pretty simple, don't let people over complicate it.

Good luck! Get your health in check before starting.

 

[phenominal34]

Why even comment if you have nothing of substance to say, and don't even read it.

Why post a thesis lol ? Pics tell a 1000 words. Not some long drug out novel. Ate you you the OP ?

 

[IndividualMan]

There's a lot to unpack, but I'll try to give my 0.02.

First and foremost, lower your, of which I assume, TRT dose to something that gives you ~650 ng/dl trough, assuming you don't get hypogonadal symptoms. You're essentially on a perpetual cycle at those levels, and judging by your stats, it's not necessary at all.

Your current bloodwork is pretty concerning, particularly the elevated cystatin. What's has your A1C been? Assuming you have good control over your glucose, your kidneys should not be stressed, even more so if you're young. I recommend taking bloods after lowering test for a period of time.

In regards to compound choice, do not take orals, like literally ever. It's burning the candle at both ends for nothing that injectables can't provide, albeit they are fun. Whether you take EQ, Nandralone, Masteron, etc, you will see comparable results; use whatever you wish and gives you the greatest cycle longevity. HGH is completely unnecessary, and I certainly wouldn't try to subsitute it with a secretagogue. Though, if you can't afford HGH (which is like $0.40/IU currently), then you certainly shouldn't waste money on primo. Peptides are also unnecessary and, for the most part, flushing money down the drain. GLPs are an exception, however; I highly recommend taking one for the potential health benifits that look very promising. Tirzepatide is the one I personally recommend due to its GLP/GIP content and ratio. If you decide to use it, start at the lowest dose and work your way up to a dose that doesn't give you any appetite suppression. During a weight loss phase you can titrate that dose up.

This leads me into your supplements/ancillaries. For OTC supplements, I recommend a cheap multi vitamin, 5000iu Vitamin D, fish oil (particularly if you don't eat much fatty fish), and NAC. TUDCA as well if you decide to use orals, but again, I really don't recommend. Pharmaceutical ancillaries are the heavy hitter when it comes to health management, though. These are heavily individualized. A quick list, though.

High BP - ARB (Telmisartan) -> CCB (Amlodipine/Cilnidipine) -> Diuretic (Indapamide, Clorathiodone) OR Beta Blocker (Nebivolol)

High Cholestorol - Statin (Rosuvastatin, Atorvastatin)

The dose response for statins is inversly exponential, so low dosages are extremely effective

High E2 - AI (Aromasin, Arimidex)

I'm running out of time, but to end off with your diet. Track your macros and micros; I use cronometer. Ensure you are hitting both of these and that's 95% of it. A carb is a carb. If you really struggle with calories add sugar to shakes or eat candy. The important part of this, though, is to have the added sugar with fat and/or fiberous meals (ie. adding peanut butter and sugar to a shake, or having the candy along side a protein and vegetables/fruit). Nutrition is pretty simple, don't let people over complicate it.

Good luck! Get your health in check before starting.

Thank you for this extensive feedback!

Talked with my parents/dug up some old medical records to pin down the cause of my kidney "issues" this morning, because My A1C has always been well within range (highest ever was a 7.1 during puberty/ main growth period), but usually around 5.8-6.1.

Turns out I had the almost elevated Cystatin C for a while now (almost 12 years, lines up with a few of my surgeries), the only thing that changed was the new lab using a way stricter reference range, the GFR is mid to low 90s, which is okay ish if you consider slight dehydration when getting your bloods taken in the morning.

So my kidneys are okay, the new lab I have been using for 2 years is just being overly strict.

In regards to the Test dose: I will probably lower it a bit, but considering that my Total t was in the 850s before I started, I will only cut it down to ~125mg Test E/wk, which should put me slightly above my normal levels (around 1000ish) just for good measure.

This also means I can return to my .5ml slin pins, which is great.

As for the GH, where is it that cheap? (Besides SSA, They got 37c/IU, but everyone else I've seen, especially with lower dimer is around 60c upwards)
Plus, with the secretagogue: it's right there, in my medicine cabinet, a beautiful suspension, just waiting to be consumed

Your statement regarding orals was tough to read, but I suppose it is true. I probably should not touch the 17-alpha-alkylated stuff, even though they have been very fun (and cheap) so far. But fun doesn't build muscle, consistency does, and in that regard, you are correct in your statements.


Overall: very helpful, got myself the chronometer thing, already have all the vitamins (multi, d, all that stuff) magnesium, fish oil, I will probably add some sort of fatty fish in my diet, once again, just for good measure.

The inversely exponential potency of statins is also quite neat, and while I don't think I will need them, it is a good thing to keep in mind.


Again, thank you so much!

 

[Slowww]

80kg 18% body fat
Just a little test is fine. Fix your diet. Adding milk as a main method of manipulating calories is an easy way to have bad digestion. You don’t need to eat that much anyways bro if your actual muscle mass is like 70kg when lean. Orals extremely unnecessary if you have digestion problems.

You don’t even state a goal.
A lot has to be fixed imo, but you seem to be bogged down with fine tuning little things when the basics are not even correct. A lot of drug talk but very little useful information including specifics about routine, an actual meal PLAN, cardio or training.

 

[IndividualMan]

Diet + Training truly is the most important part, my main concern is doing something REALLY stupid & preventable on the drug side (for example, after reading all the feedback, orals are a no-no for now, and the fancy stuff is a waste of money in my current state, as you and rxzed have pointed out).

Food is:
1 snack Breakfast
Oats or Cornflakes, Milk, flaxseeds + honey

3 meals, lunch, afternoon, Dinner
450g meat/day, Chicken, lean beef, lean pork or turkey ~120g protein, split into 3 meals
300g basmati rice (new rice, was cheaper + better texture), split into 3 meals
200g lentils or beans,
+ some veggies, whatever the local supermarket has, split into 3 meals

1 snack nighttime
flaxseeds+ honey

overall ~ 2500- 2700 kcal right now, depending on how big the snacks are Bodyweight stays the same (82+-2 kg, depending on if fasted or full)

Adding milk as a main method of manipulating calories is an easy way to have bad digestion.

Milk has never really given me digestive issues, (except for lactose, but lactose free is always an option) up to 1.5L / 1/2 gallon a day. is that something i should be on the lookout for long term?

Cardio is between 15-30 minutes fasted 6x/week (Uni starts too early 1x per week)

Lifting Schedule is:

MO Upper (Back focus, a tad bit of shoulders & Bi's) ~ 14 sets Back excl. warmup, 4 sets side delts 2 sets rear delts 3 sets Biceps

TUE Lower (quad focus) ~12 sets quads excl. warmup, 6 sets hams

WED Upper (chest focus, a tad bit of arms) ~12 sets chest, 1/3rd flies, 2/3rds pressing, 5 sets biceps, 3 additional sets triceps

THU Rest (some calves)

FRI Lower (hamstring focus, a tad bit of shoulders) 12 sets hams, 5 sets quads, 5 sets side delts 3 sets rear delts

SAT Upper (mostly arms, a bit of chest+ back) 6 sets Biceps, 5 sets Triceps, 4 sets chest (1/2 pressing 1/2 flies) + 6 sets back

SUN Rest
specific machines are hard to say, because i do rotate gyms to avoid overcrowding a lot.

Back is mostly Pulldowns, T-bar rows, and a bit of Pullovers & shrugs.
Chest is Bench/ smith bench + Machine flies
Legs is Bulgarians, Leg extensions & belt squats ( no BB squats because scoliosis+ cripple leg), Hamstring curls standing + sitting, nordics (if they are called that)
Arms is DB curls, Cable Curls, machine curls, whatever for Biceps, Pressing motions + Triceps extensions for triceps.

You don’t even state a goal.

This part is somewhat strange to me, while I do know the general direction i want to go (get my shoulders, Legs & back up quite a bit), the goal is to just overall progress and "Feel out" the dosages/compounds, if that makes sense. I do have a vision, I just do not want to get hung up on a specific number.

*edit, just remembered who you are, you have a very detailed log and a very productive approach, i get the confusion from your perspective around me not stating a specific goal now

 

[Slowww]

Diet + Training truly is the most important part, my main concern is doing something REALLY stupid & preventable on the drug side (for example, after reading all the feedback, orals are a no-no for now, and the fancy stuff is a waste of money in my current state, as you and rxzed have pointed out).

Food is:
1 snack Breakfast
Oats or Cornflakes, Milk, flaxseeds + honey

3 meals, lunch, afternoon, Dinner
450g meat/day, Chicken, lean beef, lean pork or turkey ~120g protein, split into 3 meals
300g basmati rice (new rice, was cheaper + better texture), split into 3 meals
200g lentils or beans,
+ some veggies, whatever the local supermarket has, split into 3 meals

1 snack nighttime
flaxseeds+ honey

overall ~ 2500- 2700 kcal right now, depending on how big the snacks are Bodyweight stays the same (82+-2 kg, depending on if fasted or full)

Milk has never really given me digestive issues, (except for lactose, but lactose free is always an option) up to 1.5L / 1/2 gallon a day. is that something i should be on the lookout for long term?

Cardio is between 15-30 minutes fasted 6x/week (Uni starts too early 1x per week)

Lifting Schedule is:

MO Upper (Back focus, a tad bit of shoulders & Bi's) ~ 14 sets Back excl. warmup, 4 sets side delts 2 sets rear delts 3 sets Biceps

TUE Lower (quad focus) ~12 sets quads excl. warmup, 6 sets hams

WED Upper (chest focus, a tad bit of arms) ~12 sets chest, 1/3rd flies, 2/3rds pressing, 5 sets biceps, 3 additional sets triceps

THU Rest (some calves)

FRI Lower (hamstring focus, a tad bit of shoulders) 12 sets hams, 5 sets quads, 5 sets side delts 3 sets rear delts

SAT Upper (mostly arms, a bit of chest+ back) 6 sets Biceps, 5 sets Triceps, 4 sets chest (1/2 pressing 1/2 flies) + 6 sets back

SUN Rest
specific machines are hard to say, because i do rotate gyms to avoid overcrowding a lot.

Back is mostly Pulldowns, T-bar rows, and a bit of Pullovers & shrugs.
Chest is Bench/ smith bench + Machine flies
Legs is Bulgarians, Leg extensions & belt squats ( no BB squats because scoliosis+ cripple leg), Hamstring curls standing + sitting, nordics (if they are called that)
Arms is DB curls, Cable Curls, machine curls, whatever for Biceps, Pressing motions + Triceps extensions for triceps.


This part is somewhat strange to me, while I do know the general direction i want to go (get my shoulders, Legs & back up quite a bit), the goal is to just overall progress and "Feel out" the dosages/compounds, if that makes sense. I do have a vision, I just do not want to get hung up on a specific number.

*edit, just remembered who you are, you have a very detailed log and a very productive approach, i get the confusion from your perspective around me not stating a specific goal now

Oh as for goal I mean do you want to put on weight or lose weight, for constructive feedback about compounds it’s better to know which direction you’re going. For example if you are going to cut (which I would recommend at that body fat) some of the compounds you list might be more or less useful, and maybe different dosing protocols if you add gh. It can also help you get the most out of the cycle if you have a consistent goal in mind so that your cycle will go in a concrete direction. Your first cycle you will see a lot of changes from a little gear so you can get a lot out of having a plan.

In terms of milk. It is just the fat content. You might be better off using carb sources that are easier to digest so that you can be hungrier faster. The fact that it is liquid doesn’t necessarily mean it is going to be helpful on the digestive system Itself, just that maybe it is easier to get the calories in. But if you struggle to eat more later, it may not be worth the initial feeling of convenience. I don’t mean you will have like problems with stool or something, just that you can increase the speed of digestion without using it as a staple so it is easier to eat more. Also adding vegetables can help you with this, because you didn’t seem to note any.

If you really wanted to add more though in terms of PEDs gh I think would be the way to go whether it is cut or bulk

 

[IndividualMan]

Oh as for goal I mean do you want to put on weight or lose weight

that clears it up

gh I think would be the way to go

Looked into some of the vendors here, SSA seems in my price range at 37c/IU, but i will decide on if I will use it when the time comes (when it is no longer summer shipping boiling every pack I recieve)

In terms of milk. It is just the fat content. You might be better off using carb sources that are easier to digest so that you can be hungrier faster. The fact that it is liquid doesn’t necessarily mean it is going to be helpful on the digestive system Itself, just that maybe it is easier to get the calories in. But if you struggle to eat more later, it may not be worth the initial feeling of convenience. I don’t mean you will have like problems with stool or something, just that you can increase the speed of digestion without using it as a staple so it is easier to eat more. Also adding vegetables can help you with this, because you didn’t seem to note any.

great explanation, thank you very much. The reason why I like milk is the okayish protein content, low fat content (with low fat milk) and fast(er) acting carbs due to the lactose being broken down. But yeah, if it really keeps me from increasing overall food it is probably best to keep milk consumption the same/ maybe even decrease from my current 1.5L to see if i get hungrier quicker.

vegetables are a constant,but because I either get them fresh from friends/family or from a Supermarket, which means they always change in quantity and type.

again, thank you very much for all the constructive feedback, it is greatly appreciated

 

[krvuxn]

If you’re having a hard time eating then I would definitely look at removing the lentils and beans. Look at a low FODMAP diet, it may help.

Also the nighttime snack of seeds and honey, whilst it’s probably tasty, why not something with protein? For example low fat yoghurt with protein powder and some berries/fruit.

 

[PermaBlastingTren]

Diet + Training truly is the most important part, my main concern is doing something REALLY stupid & preventable on the drug side (for example, after reading all the feedback, orals are a no-no for now, and the fancy stuff is a waste of money in my current state, as you and rxzed have pointed out).

Food is:
1 snack Breakfast
Oats or Cornflakes, Milk, flaxseeds + honey

3 meals, lunch, afternoon, Dinner
450g meat/day, Chicken, lean beef, lean pork or turkey ~120g protein, split into 3 meals
300g basmati rice (new rice, was cheaper + better texture), split into 3 meals
200g lentils or beans,
+ some veggies, whatever the local supermarket has, split into 3 meals

1 snack nighttime
flaxseeds+ honey

overall ~ 2500- 2700 kcal right now, depending on how big the snacks are Bodyweight stays the same (82+-2 kg, depending on if fasted or full)

Milk has never really given me digestive issues, (except for lactose, but lactose free is always an option) up to 1.5L / 1/2 gallon a day. is that something i should be on the lookout for long term?

Cardio is between 15-30 minutes fasted 6x/week (Uni starts too early 1x per week)

Lifting Schedule is:

MO Upper (Back focus, a tad bit of shoulders & Bi's) ~ 14 sets Back excl. warmup, 4 sets side delts 2 sets rear delts 3 sets Biceps

TUE Lower (quad focus) ~12 sets quads excl. warmup, 6 sets hams

WED Upper (chest focus, a tad bit of arms) ~12 sets chest, 1/3rd flies, 2/3rds pressing, 5 sets biceps, 3 additional sets triceps

THU Rest (some calves)

FRI Lower (hamstring focus, a tad bit of shoulders) 12 sets hams, 5 sets quads, 5 sets side delts 3 sets rear delts

SAT Upper (mostly arms, a bit of chest+ back) 6 sets Biceps, 5 sets Triceps, 4 sets chest (1/2 pressing 1/2 flies) + 6 sets back

SUN Rest
specific machines are hard to say, because i do rotate gyms to avoid overcrowding a lot.

Back is mostly Pulldowns, T-bar rows, and a bit of Pullovers & shrugs.
Chest is Bench/ smith bench + Machine flies
Legs is Bulgarians, Leg extensions & belt squats ( no BB squats because scoliosis+ cripple leg), Hamstring curls standing + sitting, nordics (if they are called that)
Arms is DB curls, Cable Curls, machine curls, whatever for Biceps, Pressing motions + Triceps extensions for triceps.


This part is somewhat strange to me, while I do know the general direction i want to go (get my shoulders, Legs & back up quite a bit), the goal is to just overall progress and "Feel out" the dosages/compounds, if that makes sense. I do have a vision, I just do not want to get hung up on a specific number.

*edit, just remembered who you are, you have a very detailed log and a very productive approach, i get the confusion from your perspective around me not stating a specific goal now

you are awesome, i wish i was as open minded as you and not so stubborn

 

[Slowww]

you are awesome, i wish i was as open minded as you and not so stubborn

Agree with this guy, as a beginner taking constructive criticism without getting emotional and being open minded to people trying to help will go a long way! Already a winning attitude

 

[IndividualMan]

Also the nighttime snack of seeds and honey, whilst it’s probably tasty, why not something with protein? For example low fat yoghurt with protein powder and some berries/fruit.

blood sugar gets low during nighttime due to high basal insulin ( i got a fancy 72hr half life one, hehe), which is needed during the day so I dont have to inject too much super short acting stuff
(Eli Lilly Lyumjev, it would be cool if vendors started carrying this in the coming years, its wayy faster than standard novorapid at1hr-1hr20 active time vs 2hr30-3hr).

you are awesome, i wish i was as open minded as you and not so stubborn

yeah man, I have seen too many people try AAS, be uninformed, not ask anyone for help/ share anything and get burnt badly on the health side.
also read some of your logs, hope you get your health stuff figured out and hopefully recover/ take some time off in spite of your name, and come back healthy.

Agree with this guy, as a beginner taking constructive criticism without getting emotional and being open minded to people trying to help will go a long way! Already a winning attitude

Thank you very much, imo being open minded when people who have walked the walk are handing you free gains in the form of solid advice is the least one can do.
(and not being a fussy bitch towards people who have proven that they know what they are talking about, like some other people i see on this forum, who have similar/ lower stats than me, no intro post, confrontational behavior who think they have cracked the code/found the holy grail for infinite gains while doing fuck all diet and training wise, only to disappear after a month or so)

I think that by just being civilized and showing at least the tiniest shred of humility and interest in actual harm reduction on an individual level means you're halfway there already. I will consider all the feedback, update the protocol, stitch together everything in one post (Diet, Training, updated drug protocol) and update if anything changes until the start of the cycle (SEP/OCT)

 

[krvuxn]

blood sugar gets low during nighttime due to high basal insulin ( i got a fancy 72hr half life one, hehe), which is needed during the day so I dont have to inject too much super short acting stuff
(Eli Lilly Lyumjev, it would be cool if vendors started carrying this in the coming years, its wayy faster than standard novorapid at1hr-1hr20 active time vs 2hr30-3hr).

Ah I missed that you’re diabetic! The lentils and slower carbs make more sense I guess, although I won’t try to act like I’m a diabetes expert. You know what you’re doing in that regard.

 

[IndividualMan]

Okay, let's do this one last time:
My plans for the fall/winter cycle 2025, food, training, drugs.

Food is:
1 snack Breakfast
Oats or Cornflakes, Milk, flaxseeds + honey

3 meals, lunch, afternoon, Dinner
450g meat/day, Chicken, lean beef, lean pork or turkey ~120g protein, split into 3 meals
300g basmati rice (new rice, was cheaper + better texture), split into 3 meals
200g lentils or beans,
+ some veggies, whatever the local supermarket has, split into 3 meals

1 snack nighttime
flaxseeds+ honey

starting at 2700kcal, upping the calories as I go, ~ 100/day every 2 weeks.
ending at aroung 3500kcal
Cardio will be between 15 minutes fasted 5/week

Lifting Schedule is:

MO Upper (Back focus, a tad bit of shoulders & Bi's) ~ 14 sets Back excl. warmup, 4 sets side delts 2 sets rear delts 3 sets Biceps

TUE Lower (quad focus) ~12 sets quads excl. warmup, 6 sets hams

WED Upper (chest focus, a tad bit of arms) ~12 sets chest, 1/3rd flies, 2/3rds pressing, 5 sets biceps, 3 additional sets triceps

THU Rest (some calves)

FRI Lower (hamstring focus, a tad bit of shoulders) 12 sets hams, 5 sets quads, 5 sets side delts 3 sets rear delts

SAT Upper (mostly arms, a bit of chest+ back) 6 sets Biceps, 5 sets Triceps, 4 sets chest (1/2 pressing 1/2 flies) + 6 sets back

SUN Rest

Back is mostly Pulldowns, T-bar rows, and a bit of Pullovers & shrugs.
Chest is Bench/ smith bench + Machine flies
Legs is Bulgarians, Leg extensions & belt squats ( no BB squats because scoliosis+ cripple leg), Hamstring curls standing + sitting, nordics (if they are called that)
Arms is DB curls, Cable Curls, machine curls, whatever for Biceps, Pressing motions + Triceps extensions for triceps

Gear:
Starting dose will be 300mg Cyp, for the first 8 weeks,
300 cyp 100 BoldU for the next 8 weeks
and 400 cyp 150 BoldU for the 8 weeks after that

so I am maxing out at 550mg of androgens

there will be no orals, no HGH (will save both for the next cycle)
Sdrol- will not be touched
Anavar- will not be touched
Tbol- will not be touched

if my Blood sugar levels stay stable/low enough, I will introduce MK677 at 20mg/day and up it to 30mg/day if possibly without increasing insulin usage too much (anything up to 3xing my current dose is fine, due to me using very little at the moment)

Goal is gaining ~ 7.5kg contractile tissue minimum, over 24 weeks


Until then i will be cutting, trying to decrease Bf% a bit, so i have room to grow without getting comically fat.

I will switch my Prime pharma test e as well, seeing as i get gnarly knots& pip on every injection site 24-36h after injecting, which last around 1-2 weeks.

For now i will go back to 10mg/day test base SubL split into 2 doses, until a few goodies (castor oil,BB & BA) arrive so i can switch in Test C at ~130mg.


See yall at the starting line!

 

[rxzed]

Okay, let's do this one last time:
My plans for the fall/winter cycle 2025, food, training, drugs.

Food is:
1 snack Breakfast
Oats or Cornflakes, Milk, flaxseeds + honey

3 meals, lunch, afternoon, Dinner
450g meat/day, Chicken, lean beef, lean pork or turkey ~120g protein, split into 3 meals
300g basmati rice (new rice, was cheaper + better texture), split into 3 meals
200g lentils or beans,
+ some veggies, whatever the local supermarket has, split into 3 meals

1 snack nighttime
flaxseeds+ honey

starting at 2700kcal, upping the calories as I go, ~ 100/day every 2 weeks.
ending at aroung 3500kcal
Cardio will be between 15 minutes fasted 5/week

Lifting Schedule is:

MO Upper (Back focus, a tad bit of shoulders & Bi's) ~ 14 sets Back excl. warmup, 4 sets side delts 2 sets rear delts 3 sets Biceps

TUE Lower (quad focus) ~12 sets quads excl. warmup, 6 sets hams

WED Upper (chest focus, a tad bit of arms) ~12 sets chest, 1/3rd flies, 2/3rds pressing, 5 sets biceps, 3 additional sets triceps

THU Rest (some calves)

FRI Lower (hamstring focus, a tad bit of shoulders) 12 sets hams, 5 sets quads, 5 sets side delts 3 sets rear delts

SAT Upper (mostly arms, a bit of chest+ back) 6 sets Biceps, 5 sets Triceps, 4 sets chest (1/2 pressing 1/2 flies) + 6 sets back

SUN Rest

Back is mostly Pulldowns, T-bar rows, and a bit of Pullovers & shrugs.
Chest is Bench/ smith bench + Machine flies
Legs is Bulgarians, Leg extensions & belt squats ( no BB squats because scoliosis+ cripple leg), Hamstring curls standing + sitting, nordics (if they are called that)
Arms is DB curls, Cable Curls, machine curls, whatever for Biceps, Pressing motions + Triceps extensions for triceps

Gear:
Starting dose will be 300mg Cyp, for the first 8 weeks,
300 cyp 100 BoldU for the next 8 weeks
and 400 cyp 150 BoldU for the 8 weeks after that

so I am maxing out at 550mg of androgens

there will be no orals, no HGH (will save both for the next cycle)
Sdrol- will not be touched
Anavar- will not be touched
Tbol- will not be touched

if my Blood sugar levels stay stable/low enough, I will introduce MK677 at 20mg/day and up it to 30mg/day if possibly without increasing insulin usage too much (anything up to 3xing my current dose is fine, due to me using very little at the moment)

Goal is gaining ~ 7.5kg contractile tissue minimum, over 24 weeks


Until then i will be cutting, trying to decrease Bf% a bit, so i have room to grow without getting comically fat.

I will switch my Prime pharma test e as well, seeing as i get gnarly knots& pip on every injection site 24-36h after injecting, which last around 1-2 weeks.

For now i will go back to 10mg/day test base SubL split into 2 doses, until a few goodies (castor oil,BB & BA) arrive so i can switch in Test C at ~130mg.


See yall at the starting line!

Seems like you though this out much better. A few things I will add is that if you maintain a low BF%, insulin resistance should be nonexistent; anecdotally, androgens increased my insulin sensitivity. I will say, 7.5kg of muscle in 6 months is a very farfetched expectation, especially at that dosage.

I used EQ in my first cycle and loved it. It's much "milder" in that you might not see a huge strength or weight gain due to little water retention, but you keep nearly everything you've gained when you come off.

The one thing you didn't mention is lab work. If you have a Labcorp nearby, I recommend a fitomics subscription and getting a basic CMP, CBC, Lipid, E2, GGT panel every month. Most people say every 3, but so much can change in that time, and it's ~$30 so it'd be ignorant not to.

 

[Slowww]

Looks pretty solid bro, hope the cut goes smoothly

 

[eery]

Personally, i would stick to test only or up the EQ to 300-500mg a week from the start. 100mg EQ wont really add much of anything to the cycle or do anything for estrogen either unless you are an EXTREMELY high responder to EQs AI effect.

EQ aromatizes slightly but it also converts a ton to estrone which ends up competing for E2 as i understand it, so you end up with less E2. Dont quote me on this, i cant seem to remember how this works at the moment lol.

 

[IndividualMan]

AI-like effects and estrone competing for the estrogen receptor is the main thought, plus i want to see the "cardio boosting effects" some people claim EQ posesses