Nandrolone and mental side effects. Help Appreciated

[teejey]

Nandralone makes me feel melancholy its almost good to level me out from being an asshole. Just a bit if depression underneath the surface to keep me humble. Dht and test make me wanna fuck everything. Not so much with the nandralone blues

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Nandrolone for what i understood is already found naturally in your body, as 19-nor-testosterone is made during its metabolization (excretion) route.. anyway, jealousy or possessiveness is typical of androgens, not that nandrolone has special chemical properties in regards of conversion to neurosteroids and bond with androgen receptors in brain.
Possessiveness is just a male trait, that exogenous androgens can exacerbate.

It depends a lot of a woman behaviour toward her man perception... if a girl told hig boyfriend about her past experiences, than i think a lot of issues will come with or without aas in most of guy with “pure male traits”..
I know some guys who wanna let another guy fuck their girlfriend with them.. or don’t care about a slutty past from her... for example.. i wouldn date a girl who has gone trough gang bang/double penetration and or that has been fucked by a lot of guys, because i imagine these things and I know she s kinda dirty, i wouldnt wanna kiss appassionately her, invest a lot of energy and effort in a relationship with a girl i perceive a slut and at least i can fuck a couple of times just to jeez out her face..

Possessiveness/Jealousy and getting mad at “cheating behaviour” originates kinda from the concept that a man HATE to spend time energy resources efforts into growing a offspring which doesn’t share his genetic heritage... and of course pure “possessiveness” like defense of private property.. and thats absolutely nothing To do with being unsure or something similar.. because if a rejoin my car in a parking area and i found a fuckin guy sitted on my car’s hood i would get sooooo crazy.. he can ruin it/ he hanst to touch my goods/ what the fuck are you doing jerk get out of my car NOW... the same with a girlfriend... see it like this... youre a pitbull in your place and you see some strangers putting their hands on home entrance gate... you know they dont have to mess up with your goods.. you bark at them and if they proceed they ll end up without some fingers and/our pounds of meat from their legs

one day i was on a porn set as a visitor , to talk with the producer, and the main male actor was proudly showing to me and a couple of other guys a vid of his girlfriend (porn actress too) being fucked by three huge niggaz in all her holes... he was so happy and excited showing it to us.. i remember him saying “oh look at this niggaz dick” ... i had no words.. nandrolone cant make your “jealous” if youre not predisposed to be it.. (it has nothing to do with the three niggaz tale btw, but wanted to share it because its funny)

Lol amazing.

I've never had Nandrolone issues.
Only problem I have is it takes longer to bust nut.
But the orgasm is fucking next level amazing when I do.
Might try a lower Test and higher Nadrolone with Mast on my winter bulk.

Adjust your dose? I wake up every AM and piss excellence at 500cyp/300npp a week. Tbh it is my favorite cycle to date.

Lol
Fuck yeah

 

[JC Grifter]

Lol amazing.

I've never had Nandrolone issues.
Only problem I have is it takes longer to bust nut.
But the orgasm is fucking next level amazing when I do.
Might try a lower Test and higher Nadrolone with Mast on my winter bulk.



Lol
Fuck yeah

Omg yes! It takes so much longer lol. When I’m on npp my wife always asks if I’m almost done because she’s numb now lol

 

[RedRoseActual]

Honestly, it sounds like you just have jealousy issues and they're separate from the hormones. However, the hormones can definitely exacerbate existing mental issues.

Respectfully, I would really try to work on the jealousy issues. Jealousy problems often turn into a self fulfilling prophecy... There's typically no real reason to be jealous of anything but those harbored emotions are what end up causing the problem. I'm sure it's easier said than done... I'm just not a jealous person at all so it's difficult for me to relate. Hope it works out for you!

Definitely working on it and spoke with my other about it. I basically have PTSD from the sheer amount of times I've been cheated on.

 

[RedRoseActual]

Jesus. He’s gonna read your post and then go punch his girl in the face!

Plot twist; She beat me up.

 

[RedRoseActual]

Posting for an update. I'm making myself more self aware and controlling better. After my levels finally went down to the 350mg saturation, I did feel bette . But could be that reading y'alls posts about being in my head, got me out of my head. Regardless, I switching back to Test E and saving the rest of vials for another bulk. I'm on a cut with DNP and figured I shouldn't waste NPP with a couple vials of Test on hand. Hopefully my crazy ass levels out after it clears my system and I start jerking to myself in the mirror when I get the body I've always wanted.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Interesting, and about AI protocol i ve to say that recently i upped Anastrozole to 0.5mg ED with only 500mg Test EVery Week because i started to feeling too emotional and crying too easily... it was so bad because i felt too much fragile.. i was on 0.25mg EOD and switched to 0.5mg ED, i stopped crying like an old woman...

Anyway... nice tell about mastering themselves, inner game etc etc but i really dont get why everybody are so worried avout being jealous.. i think it s fuckin normal and RIGHT to be jealous.. Example: i like a girl i know and i see her on a club... i feel so pissed off seeing other guys around her showing interest.. if i had been Thanos i would have snapped my finger too many times.. seriously, they are my enemies,they wanna take the same thing i wanna, in my mind that girls should be mine and i hate to see other guys around her.. of course I m referring to potential mates, i cannot be jealous about her nerdy friendzoned buds...
And other situation... i m jealous when i m on anavar, on HGH, Boldenone, Trenbolone, Aspirin, Cialis, Nandrolone Phenyl Propionate, Whey proteins etc.. Dont matter which substance i m on.. i m happy to be jealous because jealousy is coherent with human feelings

 

[Mighty_Mouse89]

Something I was not aware of is that Nandrolone can cause some serious mental side effects. After doing some more reading, I think I need to know I'm not alone.

First, I've struggled with mental illness for quite sometime, and morbid jealousy has always been a characteristic of this. After reading several compound experiences, it seems Nandrolone tends to make this appear, or worsen. I haven't "felt" worse, but it seems to placing strain on my relationship.

I'm enjoying AAS use. I've been blasting with a TPP/NPP blend and have made gains I've yet to make. I've had experience with Test E, Mast, Superdrol, MTren, and Anadrol. All of which I was somewhat disappointed with (except Anadrol). Superdrol may have been good if I didn't go hypo so easily.

Anyways, I'm discouraged I can't make "crazy" gains because of sides.

So, is there any good, low side alternatives to Nandrolone or Tren (I have a feeling Tren would effect me to same way)? Possibly the best bulking Non-Nor-19?

I had to take 1:1 ratios of nan. Was doing 2:1 test to nan, that screwed me up something bad. A lot of guys I see say 2:1 but for me, it was bs. Try doing even amounts.

 

[Jin23]

Nandrolones have quite an obvious effect on the dopamine system, serotonin system, GABA - glutamate, etc. I wont post all the stuff it does, but you can read a quick summary of it's effects here. Some of the changes can be permanent and it definitely will effect your mental state, far after you've ceased using it. Some may notice this more, some less, some not at all but it's definitely present. And some changes can be permanent. It's effects are much more pronounced then dht's or test analogs.

I felt crazy good on it. For me, feeling wise, it's better then dbol. But me being familiar with antidepressants, anxyolitics (benzos, etc.), coke, amph's, psychedelics, etc. I know how to spot dopaminergic effects of drugs and differentiate them from other ones; serotonergic, GABAergic, etc. NPP got me really worried, as feeling this good meant it's doing a lot, and the PCT form that cycle was the hardest one to date, psychologically and physically. I take better care of my brain now. It's what my psychiatrist always talked about when mentioning aas. He's more of a neurobiologist/psychiatrist, and always confirms that aas have a strong and lasting effect on mood, cognition, depression, etc. ie. they mess with your brain chemistry. And in the case of nandrolones, this is a lot more pronounced. In any case, me personally, I am not taking NPP ever again, just bc I prefer keeping my brain chemistry as healthy as possible.

 

[Theworm]

Nandrolones have quite an obvious effect on the dopamine system, serotonin system, GABA - glutamate, etc. I wont post all the stuff it does, but you can read a quick summary of it's effects here. Some of the changes can be permanent and it definitely will effect your mental state, far after you've ceased using it. Some may notice this more, some less, some not at all but it's definitely present. And some changes can be permanent. It's effects are much more pronounced then dht's or test analogs.

I felt crazy good on it. For me, feeling wise, it's better then dbol. But me being familiar with antidepressants, anxyolitics (benzos, etc.), coke, amph's, psychedelics, etc. I know how to spot dopaminergic effects of drugs and differentiate them from other ones; serotonergic, GABAergic, etc. NPP got me really worried, as feeling this good meant it's doing a lot, and the PCT form that cycle was the hardest one to date, psychologically and physically. I take better care of my brain now. It's what my psychiatrist always talked about when mentioning aas. He's more of a neurobiologist/psychiatrist, and always confirms that aas have a strong and lasting effect on mood, cognition, depression, etc. ie. they mess with your brain chemistry. And in the case of nandrolones, this is a lot more pronounced. In any case, me personally, I am not taking NPP ever again, just bc I prefer keeping my brain chemistry as healthy as possible.

What do you rec running now? I love deca cause it doesn’t affect my hair, but i should care about my mental and cardiovascular wellbeing more than my hair. Safest would be test only I believe. Thoughts?

 

[Jin23]

What do you rec running now? I love deca cause it doesn’t affect my hair, but i should care about my mental and cardiovascular wellbeing more than my hair. Safest would be test only I believe. Thoughts?

Safe is such a sketchy term in regards to aas use right? It's more what you are willing to tolerate or subject yourself to. But if safety is your concern, then 19nor's are definitely not the safest of choices. In fact, you should just skip them altogether. Nandrolones are one of the most studied aas and it's effects are well documented, so you might get some solace from that, but you are still subjecting your self to more long term harm, then if you were to just use dht's or test analogues. Especially if you cycle and don't want end up on trt - don't cycle nandrolones.

My opinion regarding only test cycles ... I don't like them, nor do I think they make much sense ,nor do I think they are the safest. Test is fairly androgenic and if you're on gear, you don't really need test that much, as you have more then enough androgens in your system. Just a trt amount of test, as an estrogen base and to provide other metabolites that come from test that are bio identical to your own, is enough. But also, hcg plays a huge role in how you feel on cycle, seen a lot of people that have no libido on cycle, but when they added hcg, it fired back up. From there on it's picking the least androgenic compounds in regards to your goals. TRT test + primo, dhb, var, EQ (if you are on trt), ... You should get the same amount of anabolism from 30mg's var compared to 500 test. But with var you'll get much less androgenic sides, ie. in this regard var is safer. There are other factors to consider off course, but I'm just taking the androgenic vs anabolic ratio as the only factor here.

 

[Theworm]

Safe is such a sketchy term in regards to aas use right? It's more what you are willing to tolerate or subject yourself to. But if safety is your concern, then 19nor's are definitely not the safest of choices. In fact, you should just skip them altogether. Nandrolones are one of the most studied aas and it's effects are well documented, so you might get some solace from that, but you are still subjecting your self to more long term harm, then if you were to just use dht's or test analogues. Especially if you cycle and don't want end up on trt - don't cycle nandrolones.

My opinion regarding only test cycles ... I don't like them, nor do I think they make much sense ,nor do I think they are the safest. Test is fairly androgenic and if you're on gear, you don't really need test that much, as you have more then enough androgens in your system. Just a trt amount of test, as an estrogen base and to provide other metabolites that come from test that are bio identical to your own, is enough. But also, hcg plays a huge role in how you feel on cycle, seen a lot of people that have no libido on cycle, but when they added hcg, it fired back up. From there on it's picking the least androgenic compounds in regards to your goals. TRT test + primo, dhb, var, EQ (if you are on trt), ... You should get the same amount of anabolism from 30mg's var compared to 500 test. But with var you'll get much less androgenic sides, ie. in this regard var is safer. There are other factors to consider off course, but I'm just taking the androgenic vs anabolic ratio as the only factor here.

How do others feel? Was always told and read that testosterone was the safest compound and test only was probably the safest blasts

 

[ToastEater]

Nandrolones have quite an obvious effect on the dopamine system, serotonin system, GABA - glutamate, etc. I wont post all the stuff it does, but you can read a quick summary of it's effects here. Some of the changes can be permanent and it definitely will effect your mental state, far after you've ceased using it. Some may notice this more, some less, some not at all but it's definitely present. And some changes can be permanent. It's effects are much more pronounced then dht's or test analogs.

I felt crazy good on it. For me, feeling wise, it's better then dbol. But me being familiar with antidepressants, anxyolitics (benzos, etc.), coke, amph's, psychedelics, etc. I know how to spot dopaminergic effects of drugs and differentiate them from other ones; serotonergic, GABAergic, etc. NPP got me really worried, as feeling this good meant it's doing a lot, and the PCT form that cycle was the hardest one to date, psychologically and physically. I take better care of my brain now. It's what my psychiatrist always talked about when mentioning aas. He's more of a neurobiologist/psychiatrist, and always confirms that aas have a strong and lasting effect on mood, cognition, depression, etc. ie. they mess with your brain chemistry. And in the case of nandrolones, this is a lot more pronounced. In any case, me personally, I am not taking NPP ever again, just bc I prefer keeping my brain chemistry as healthy as possible.

I appreciate this article brother but the dosages used were INSANE. I’m 100kg (220lbs). This study would have me taking the following weekly dosages:
1,400mg Deca
1,400mg Test
700mg EQ
You can well imagine I’d be a basket case.
They even did a 10 day study where they administered DAILY doses of deca at 15mg/kg. For me that’s 1500mg deca per DAY.

I’m more of the mind that weekly doses of no more than 300mg deca 300mg test with 50mg proviron is where the balance is.

But full disclosure, I have not done deca yet. I just have it on hand, with this plan, for the above reasons.

Life is already too short.
Mental health is too precious.
You only get one body to live in.

 

[Jin23]

Mental health is too precious.
You only get one body to live in.

Looks like you're more stable then I am. I notice this effects a lot.

In any case, all androgens have an effect on the dopamine, gaba, etc. system. This is why you feel good when you are on cycle and this is why, for a certain amount of time after the cycle, you feel bad. One are the neurological systems (dopamine, gaba, etc.) that are rebalancing to a lower blood serum androgen amount and the other is having low androgens due to the hpta suppression off course ... Some androgens just have a more profound effect on brain chemistry. Like dbol for instance, it's very dopaminergic. And some androgens, especially in a deprived state of other androgens (to much mast with to little estrogen for example), can be to excitatory towards glutamate, causing anxiety.

It's hard to say by what mechanism of action androgens effect your "mental health" exactly, I personally need to research this further, but they most certainly do. And it's not just cns activation or more noradrenaline/adrenaline secretion ... It might be direct D2, GABA, 5HT2 agonism, antagonism, etc. Literary talking out of my a*s here, but you get the point ...

And if we look at cycling from a "holistic" standpoint, everything is important, not just CNS activation, nutrient partitioning, nitrogen balance, etc. but mental processes as well. We all know what aas does to our sleep patterns, focus, mood, etc. What good is a cycle if you'll be depressed afterwards for the next 3 months and loose more then you gained on cycle ... Or how will sleeping badly on cycle effect your gains, or how will being to aggressive effect your program adherence, ie. following your program and not just stupidly training like an animal : D

Regarding dosages, comparing rats to humans, rats have much faster metabolisms then humans, and rat dosages are thus much higher then human dosages. If you didn't know maybe. You don't need 1g of deca for it to affect your neurobiology. 300mg's will suffice. But we are all built differently ...

 

[jbil75]

Nandrolone for what i understood is already found naturally in your body, as 19-nor-testosterone is made during its metabolization (excretion) route.. anyway, jealousy or possessiveness is typical of androgens, not that nandrolone has special chemical properties in regards of conversion to neurosteroids and bond with androgen receptors in brain.
Possessiveness is just a male trait, that exogenous androgens can exacerbate.

It depends a lot of a woman behaviour toward her man perception... if a girl told hig boyfriend about her past experiences, than i think a lot of issues will come with or without aas in most of guy with “pure male traits”..
I know some guys who wanna let another guy fuck their girlfriend with them.. or don’t care about a slutty past from her... for example.. i wouldn date a girl who has gone trough gang bang/double penetration and or that has been fucked by a lot of guys, because i imagine these things and I know she s kinda dirty, i wouldnt wanna kiss appassionately her, invest a lot of energy and effort in a relationship with a girl i perceive a slut and at least i can fuck a couple of times just to jeez out her face..

Possessiveness/Jealousy and getting mad at “cheating behaviour” originates kinda from the concept that a man HATE to spend time energy resources efforts into growing a offspring which doesn’t share his genetic heritage... and of course pure “possessiveness” like defense of private property.. and thats absolutely nothing To do with being unsure or something similar.. because if a rejoin my car in a parking area and i found a fuckin guy sitted on my car’s hood i would get sooooo crazy.. he can ruin it/ he hanst to touch my goods/ what the fuck are you doing jerk get out of my car NOW... the same with a girlfriend... see it like this... youre a pitbull in your place and you see some strangers putting their hands on home entrance gate... you know they dont have to mess up with your goods.. you bark at them and if they proceed they ll end up without some fingers and/our pounds of meat from their legs

one day i was on a porn set as a visitor , to talk with the producer, and the main male actor was proudly showing to me and a couple of other guys a vid of his girlfriend (porn actress too) being fucked by three huge niggaz in all her holes... he was so happy and excited showing it to us.. i remember him saying “oh look at this niggaz dick” ... i had no words.. nandrolone cant make your “jealous” if youre not predisposed to be it.. (it has nothing to do with the three niggaz tale btw, but wanted to share it because its funny)

For the life of me I never understood how a man could watch another man fuck his significant other. Call me crazy or old fashioned but that shit just doesn’t fly with me.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

For the life of me I never understood how a man could watch another man fuck his significant other. Call me crazy or old fashioned but that shit just doesn’t fly with me.

Call me crazy? Ahahah.. crazy are these fuckin morons. Could be possibly a perversion based on the eroticism of seing theyre woman in a very slutty mode, they ger excited by seeing their girl Stuffed by 2 dicks etc... because, as its said is a perversion. I can understand this but I wouldn’t let ANYONE even seeing her naked, so i love threesomes with other girls, i ve done it 2 times Next Time i would that one of the 2 girls wear a strapon and fuck the other one in her pussy, with me fuckin her in her ass, because i m into double penetration but not into other dicks than mine. I wont do a threesome with a trans “girl” because for me theyre only men modified.. they still have dick so what are we speaking about ahah..


The only thing i would do , would be fuckin a girl hit my twin brother , if i had one, and we were like Harrison twins. The top would be Being 2 twins with 4 girls.. or 2 twins vs a milf and her naughty daughter...