connoristiny
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What NPP dose caused the heart issues? What BP med did you replace Telmi with? Telmi wasn't strong enough?
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Have you yourself seen bloodwork of a “trust me bro deca only” user? Or you just fucking googling shit? Why do you think people tend to run dbol alognside a deca base cycle? Why would gyno be one of the primary reasons someone would run a deca only cycle, next to hair loss?Wow it took me a whole 7 seconds to find this.
Nandrolone itself shows significant binding affinity and full agonist activity with the alpha-estrogen receptor (47). Indeed, increased serum estrogen levels in men have been associated with development of gynecomastia, increased body fat mass, and unfavorable lipid profiles
Beyond testosterone cypionate: evidence behind the use of nandrolone in male health and wellness
Characterized by low serum testosterone levels and diverse symptoms, male hypogonadism is a common condition. Current medical treatment focuses on testosterone supplementation using multiple modalities such as injections, gels and pellets. Interestingly, ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I’ve sat and watched several people promise me deca only was the way only to see their bloodwork (e2 sensitive) show below range in addition to their test being nuked. Somehow, none of them got gyno. Hmm.
Just say you’re buried in a search engine regurgitating words on a screen and skip the part where you try to make us believe you have any actual experience, or hell, even the ability to interpret a study. Nothing in your study points to nandrolone meaningfully raising estrogen, just that when administered alone the RATIO of test to estrogen gets fucked, as to be expected, with deca killing HPTA function and slightly bumping e2 up. In reality this ends up being in the normal range for almost nobody and I’ve only ever seen in range e2 with a deca only cycle on non sensitive e2 tests. I’d be HAPPY for someone to provide proof of their experience otherwise.
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Almost certainly nandrolone. Believe your next question was “how much.” That doesn’t have an answer. Some guys will blast their asses off for a decade and die happily in their 80s. Some will have severe cardiac issues in their 40s. We don’t know. We just know what each drug tends to do. The magnitude is based on the combination of dose and individual.
connoristiny
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Nand is worse in regard to BP, plaque build-up, and cholesterol right? I also notice a higher resting HR on Nand, which I suppose can exacerbate LVH?
In particular it is harder on artery condition than other drugs IIRC. If deca makes you hold water as many claim BP may be an issue. Lots of factors playing into both BP and the plaque/lipids issue tho. I personally haven’t seen deca be nearly as bad on lipids as mast, tren, or anavar.
Rido
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Because of that fuckhead camel cult POS, Taeian Clark. Constantly talks about how he gained so much size from deca only. So he advised for deca only hrt etc
How can this fuckhead be that dense the he gained 50 lbs in 6 weeks of anything quality?
I guess he said he gained 25 lbs of new muscle in that time frame? Lol
View: https://youtu.be/cOWulni_2nE
Used Teli for a year for issues not related to Blood Pressure (visceral fat, reading ridiculous steroid posts on how it's a miracle compound, etc...)
Keep in mind, I'm in good shape, low body fat, an hour of cardio a day minimum during the past 3-4 years. Sometimes 2-3 hours of cardio a day.
When I noticed BP skyrocketing after using 500 NPP (systolic 160/150 diastolic 130/120), I restarted routine use of Teli and after three weeks, it didn't do jack shit for blood pressure. I was getting worse.
After 6 weeks of 500 NPP (one week of a stupid 650 dose), I went to a doc and got a script for Amlodipine.
A week later I'm down to 130/120 over 100/90/80.
Best numbers I've had.
I'm 50+
Amlodipine causes fatigue - similar to when beginning pharma HGH.
Best thing is take half dose, after first week of whatever doc prescribes.
It's strong enough where if I see BP creeping back up after taking only once or twice the previous week, one or two half dose administrations brings everything into order, without fatigue.
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I love how you point out scientific studies as “just words on a screen” lol that was funny
It’s ok bro. You can admit your wrong once in awhile. You don’t have to have a cow
There’s a drastic difference between what that study says and your intent in posting it here. Go ahead and find the data that supports your claim that deca meaningfully raises estrogen.
You’re too dense to even argue with. Enjoy your day.
There is a very small sliver of the population deca base/only might be good for. I’ve just seen it attempted and failed several times with trash bloodwork to prove it. And youre right, usually they reference Taeian. I mean nobody should be surprised a sizable deca dose would add tissue…just that it usually isn’t ok for health/function unless you’ve got something to support estrogen alongside it which is usually TRT test or dbol.
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Deca is my favorite compound. Currently on week 8 of 525/450/300 Test/Primo/Deca
Great all around in the shoulders. I’ve never run it with the Primo so I’m at a lower dose …. I typically run 500/550 Test//Deca. Still feeling the Primo out.
Great all around in the shoulders. I’ve never run it with the Primo so I’m at a lower dose …. I typically run 500/550 Test//Deca. Still feeling the Primo out.
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Probably nandrolone on a per-mg basis because its benefits to joints (increased ACE activity & matrix type I collagen deposition) relies on activation of the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS), activation of which also is implicated in cardiac tissue remodeling.
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AIs are associated with hair loss. It seems to be accelerated at the beginning of AI treatment when estrogen concentrations abruptly decline. The mechanisms include hair loss during telogen and a decrease in the diameter of the shafts, leading to fragility, breakage, and subsequent loss. SERMs show a different pattern in those susceptible, hair loss related to tamoxifen has been shown to exhibit a distribution similar to that of female-pattern alopecia, primarily affecting the crown and frontal scalp.
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I don't see that Mac11 was wrong tbf. Nandrolone leads to sub-normal E2 unless dosed very high, what you referenced refers to the direct nandrolone effects in inducing gyno.
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Well with that logic testosterone does the same thing. Nandrolone aromatizes at a rate of 20% that of testosterone. But has 10x high progestational activity.
Trannys use medications to increase prolactin because it gives them gyno faster than estrogen. So to say “your 100% more likely to get gyno from testosterone” is just false.
Rido
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Don't they do estrogen injections and take aldactone?
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They take domperidone. But the estrogen amount they receive is usually not enough to cause gyno because doctors prescribe babby doses. The drug that raises prolactin causes the gyno (in this case domperidone). In the case of testosterone or nand, it clearly would be nand because that affects prolactin. Testosterone does not.
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Testosterone increases prolactin.
Rido
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i just saw they use that drug to try to breast feed. not for gyno
Nandrolone is more anabolic, testosterone is more estrogenic and androgenic. Nandrolone base was very common in the old days - guys found nandrolone to be the better anabolic and chose it over testosterone.
Nandrolone converts to DHN which is a partial agonist of the AR. DHN basically has anti-androgen activity. Using DHT's will offset DHN. Nandrolone isnt used as HRT because it can't really maintain male sexual functioning.
Nandrolone converts to DHN which is a partial agonist of the AR. DHN basically has anti-androgen activity. Using DHT's will offset DHN. Nandrolone isnt used as HRT because it can't really maintain male sexual functioning.
