Necessities

[marco11]

10 grams test ace post workout and youre golden. No half senders.

 

[Mrlikeitornot]

The tren is no good for you at this point.

You should look into a TRT program if your test is low.

Trt with test and an AI would likely be a good start.

What were your doses of test. One injection every ten days does not sound like a well laid out program.

The tren is no good for you at this point.

You should look into a TRT program if your test is low.

Trt with test and an AI would likely be a good start.

What were your doses of test. One injection every ten days does not sound like a well laid out program.

The test was actually prescribed by my MD. We were seeing exactly what dose we would need to raise my levels, started off small. I will look up the TRT program. Ty

 

[Mrlikeitornot]

The best option would be to naturally lose the weight, spend time building your physique naturally and then go for a simple cycle. If you get your bf% down before you go the gear route, when you do start cycling properly great things will happen. This sounds so routine, I know...the old “do as I say, not as I do...” However, it truly is the best way to proceed. Get lean first, then add quality muscle!

I appreciate the advice.

 

[Mrlikeitornot]

10 grams test ace post workout and youre golden. No half senders.

If I do only test, won’t my estrogen levels continue to climb even higher?

 

[Mrlikeitornot]

You have been given a bit of tough love advice and lots of great advice here already.

But I feel I need to add to this and it's not like others haven't said the same.

What you are doing is wreck-less and lazy. If your doctor put you on trt which is hard to believe that he didn't run more bloods to be checking and fine tuning all your hormones and you decided to just drop everything and go on your own... imo shows the wreck less behavior.

You fixing your diet for two weeks is a great start, but adding in tren thinking this is the magic drug is incorrect.

You really need to go back to basics and continue to focus on your nutrition and work out routine and in the meantime spend hours and hours on meso and do more research.

Again, dropping 50 pounds you can do without drugs.... it's done everyday but you want the fast route with magic drugs.

Kinda like most people? Including .......

 

[Mrlikeitornot]

You’re not ready for gear. Period.

is anybody if you really think about it?

 

[Roger rabbit]

Kinda like most people? Including .......

What? I think you are trolling to be honest.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

If I do only test, won’t my estrogen levels continue to climb even higher?

That's where your AI comes in to play.

 

[Engineer]

is anybody if you really think about it?

People that have both their diet and training dialed in, and have for several years...yes. People who also have reached their genetic potential...yes. People who don't understand the basics of any of those things (much less gear)...no.

 

[master.on]

With all the different AAS out there that athletes are using to bulk, cut or whatever they fancy, which ones in everyone’s opinion are the hands down must for a cycle? Wouldn’t one say Tren and Test are the game changers and really all one needs?

Beginners
EQ and a bit Deca
HCG optional but recommended
AIs, Nolva not really needed

Intermediate phase 1
EQ, a bit Deca
some Anadrol
HCG optional and recommended
AIs, Nolva not really needed

Intermediate phase 2
EQ, a bit Deca
Testosterone
some Anadrol (Dbol optional)
HCG recommended
AIs, Nolva are really needed as Test and Dbol aromatize

Intermediate phase 3
EQ, a bit Deca
Testosterone
some Anadrol (Dbol optional)
some Tren
HCG is a must
AIs, Nolva are really needed as Test and Dbol aromatize

My 2 satoshis

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Beginners
EQ and a bit Deca
HCG optional but recommended
AIs, Nolva not really needed

Intermediate phase 1
EQ, a bit Deca
some Anadrol
HCG optional and recommended
AIs, Nolva not really needed

Intermediate phase 2
EQ, a bit Deca
Testosterone
some Anadrol (Dbol optional)
HCG recommended
AIs, Nolva are really needed as Test and Dbol aromatize

Intermediate phase 3
EQ, a bit Deca
Testosterone
some Anadrol (Dbol optional)
some Tren
HCG is a must
AIs, Nolva are really needed as Test and Dbol aromatize

My 2 satoshis

You don't recommend that beginners, nor intermediates (phase 1) use Test? You nut ball.

 

[Engineer]

Beginners
EQ and a bit Deca
HCG optional but recommended
AIs, Nolva not really needed

Intermediate phase 1
EQ, a bit Deca
some Anadrol
HCG optional and recommended
AIs, Nolva not really needed

Intermediate phase 2
EQ, a bit Deca
Testosterone
some Anadrol (Dbol optional)
HCG recommended
AIs, Nolva are really needed as Test and Dbol aromatize

Intermediate phase 3
EQ, a bit Deca
Testosterone
some Anadrol (Dbol optional)
some Tren
HCG is a must
AIs, Nolva are really needed as Test and Dbol aromatize

My 2 satoshis

This isn’t the best advice. Any and all gear really should be ran with some test. Also, Nolva really shouldn’t be used on cycle unless you get a gyno flare up. Use adex or aromasin as your on chcle AI, and save the Nolva for PCT.

 

[Mrlikeitornot]

Tren isn't going to lower your E2, that's what an AI is for.

Your E2 is likely high from your elevated body fat percentage and/or unless you got an E2 sensitive test while on Tren, then those numbers are skewed and therefore are of no use.

Dropping the Test from the equation was a horrible idea. Drop the Tren, you aren't ready for it and you don't need it at this point.

Stick with a TRT dose of Test, the GH is your choice, but leave it at that. Get your diet and training in check before you start getting fancy.

Wasnt on tren when we ran my blood work. When I discovered that the estrogen level was so high and how the estrogen will absorb the test which essentially makes taking the test a waste of money, I quit the dossa

What? I think you are trolling to be honest.

Not trolling, just trying to do things right. I am looking for answers, not the ones I get from a local physician. I am not trying to insult anyone and I would not want to offend those as well. Rather we want to face it or not, there are thousands of guys just like me out there. Who are just wanting to figure this out. Were going to do what we are going to do rather its the right way using the ideals and practices others have used or do it the wrong way. Getting junk, doing what we think is right and have no clue whats next. So ether you can use this form to share your experience or keep bashing me. Ether way, its your world.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Wasnt on tren when we ran my blood work. When I discovered that the estrogen level was so high and how the estrogen will absorb the test which essentially makes taking the test a waste of money, I quit the dossa

Not trolling, just trying to do things right. I am looking for answers, not the ones I get from a local physician. I am not trying to insult anyone and I would not want to offend those as well. Rather we want to face it or not, there are thousands of guys just like me out there. Who are just wanting to figure this out. Were going to do what we are going to do rather its the right way using the ideals and practices others have used or do it the wrong way. Getting junk, doing what we think is right and have no clue whats next. So ether you can use this form to share your experience or keep bashing me. Ether way, its your world.

I haven't bashed you my man.

I just confused on what you are trying to achieve. You are all over the place and can't follow what you are trying to do.

 

[Engineer]

Wasnt on tren when we ran my blood work. When I discovered that the estrogen level was so high and how the estrogen will absorb the test which essentially makes taking the test a waste of money, I quit the dossa

Not trolling, just trying to do things right. I am looking for answers, not the ones I get from a local physician. I am not trying to insult anyone and I would not want to offend those as well. Rather we want to face it or not, there are thousands of guys just like me out there. Who are just wanting to figure this out. Were going to do what we are going to do rather its the right way using the ideals and practices others have used or do it the wrong way. Getting junk, doing what we think is right and have no clue whats next. So ether you can use this form to share your experience or keep bashing me. Ether way, its your world.

Your estrogen was high because of a lack of proper aromatose inhibitor (AI). Test converts to estrogen. Estrogen doesn’t “absorb test” as you stated earlier. The tren was never your issue as it does not aromatize like test does. Your problem was a lack of proper AI. If you are dead set on cycling, I would suggest you pin 250 mg Test E on Mondays and Fridays, which totals 500 mg per week. Stay away from tren until you have more cycles under your belt. Get some aromasin or arimidex and run along with the test to keep your estrogen in control. These are the most popular AIs to use on cycle. Do not use Nolva unless you get a gyno flare up. Bloodwork will help you to dial in what AI dose you need. Make sure you have a proper PCT planned unless you plan to stay on TRT as your doc has prescribed. If staying on TRT, dont worry about planning a PCT but after around 12-16 weeks drop your test back down to TRT levels (250 mg/week). Wait another 10-12 weeks before cycling again.

And for the record,I wasn’t bashing you either...but understand that one of the purposes of this board is harm reduction. When someone comes along asking for cycle advice who clearly doesn’t have all of their research done, the best advice for that person’s health is to stay away from gear until they have all the info needed.

 

[Roger rabbit]

Your estrogen was high because of a lack of proper aromatose inhibitor (AI). Test converts to estrogen. Estrogen doesn’t “absorb test” as you stated earlier. The tren was never your issue as it does not aromatize like test does. Your problem was a lack of proper AI. If you are dead set on cycling, I would suggest you pin 250 mg Test E on Mondays and Fridays, which totals 500 mg per week. Stay away from tren until you have more cycles under your belt. Get some aromasin or arimidex and run along with the test to keep your estrogen in control. These are the most popular AIs to use on cycle. Do not use Nolva unless you get a gyno flare up. Bloodwork will help you to dial in what AI dose you need. Make sure you have a proper PCT planned unless you plan to stay on TRT as your doc has prescribed. If staying on TRT, dont worry about planning a PCT but after around 12-16 weeks drop your test back down to TRT levels (250 mg/week). Wait another 10-12 weeks before cycling again.

And for the record,I wasn’t bashing you either...but understand that one of the purposes of this board is harm reduction. When someone comes along asking for cycle advice who clearly doesn’t have all of their research done, the best advice for that person’s health is to stay away from gear until they have all the info needed.

This x2!