Need advice for my first cycle!

[Jawad]

Hello everyone!
I'm planning to start my first cycle and planning a maximum of 2 cycles for my entire life!
Test cycles = (Enanthate or Propionate, 250-350 mg per week).
My main concern is the potential for testicular issues or harm to normal testosterone even after a proper PCT.
I don't want just because of 2 cycles in my life go to TRT or any kind of meditation. (Respect to all people on TRT BUT this is my personal opinion).
I understand individual responses vary, but I'm seeking general insights.
I did my own research but seems like it's very hard to learn all the things in a few weeks or months.

Here are my stats:
- Height: 5'11"
- Weight: 179 lbs
- Age: 32
- Body Fat: 18-20%
- Current Testosterone level: 481
- blood work looks good.

I have an online coach, but I prefer doing my own research always. I'd greatly appreciate insights from experienced individuals to alleviate my overthinking and help with this challenging decision.

Thanks to all!

 

[Sector]

Run test E at 350-500mg for 12-16 weeks

Keep an AI on hand, use once or twice a week (as needed)

Pct 6-8 weeks using Nolvadex @40mg. Can also use clomid/enclompiphene in combination with the Nolvadex.


I think what you're failing to account for though, especially if you're planning on running multiple cycles, is that you're going to have to take TRT earlier in life, even if you do PCT correctly (unless you'd rather forgo the TRT and feel like crap when your endocrine system eventually goes to shit from the combination of age and AAS use leading to a more rapid decline in natural test production). If you're afraid or worried about TRT, or thinking you won't have to go that route because you only ran 2 cycles, you're wrong and probably should just forget AAS. If you can live with the fact you'll probably have to TRT sooner than you'd hoped, then send the cycles.

Blasting+cruising is also way better if you're going to be running multiple cycles, but this recommendation is counter productive to someone scared of having to TRT and who wants to try to optimize PCT recovery. It's just that with PCT you're going to feel like absolute crap, and lose a lot of strength and gains, just to hop back on another cycle, to PCT a 2nd time and feel like crap and lose strength and gains again. Your gains will still end up on a positive net basis after PCT, but it's just a lot of hormone fluctuation and feeling awful, for maybe a marginal amount of gains, while also wrecking your endocrine system? Doesn't seem worth it to me

 

[Jawad]

Run test E at 350-500mg for 12-16 weeks

Keep an AI on hand, use once or twice a week (as needed)

Pct 6-8 weeks using Nolvadex @40mg. Can also use clomid/enclompiphene in combination with the Nolvadex.


I think what you're failing to account for though, especially if you're planning on running multiple cycles, is that you're going to have to take TRT earlier in life, even if you do PCT correctly (unless you'd rather forgo the TRT and feel like crap when your endocrine system eventually goes to shit from the combination of age and AAS use leading to a more rapid decline in natural test production). If you're afraid or worried about TRT, or thinking you won't have to go that route because you only ran 2 cycles, you're wrong and probably should just forget AAS. If you can live with the fact you'll probably have to TRT sooner than you'd hoped, then send the cycles.

Blasting+cruising is also way better if you're going to be running multiple cycles, but this recommendation is counter productive to someone scared of having to TRT and who wants to try to optimize PCT recovery. It's just that with PCT you're going to feel like absolute crap, and lose a lot of strength and gains, just to hop back on another cycle, to PCT a 2nd time and feel like crap and lose strength and gains again. Your gains will still end up on a positive net basis after PCT, but it's just a lot of hormone fluctuation and feeling awful, for maybe a marginal amount of gains, while also wrecking your endocrine system? Doesn't seem worth it to me

Thanks for the advice, I would like to do some more research before starting any cycle.

 

[Mongo966]

If you're afraid or worried about TRT, or thinking you won't have to go that route because you only ran 2 cycles, you're wrong and probably should just forget AAS. If you can live with the fact you'll probably have to TRT sooner than you'd hoped, then send the cycles.

This.

 

[ChevChelios]

This.

This three hunnid percent, imo if one isn’t comfortable with risking having to be on TRT for life they shouldn’t use AAS, it’s a bit of an extreme opinion n usually not necessarily the case but it’s mostly to make sure people realize the risks n take stuff seriously (both through doing regular checkups but also through respecting the compounds they use n figuring out how things work for them).

In this game there is little space for tourists imo, ik many people who are but they either end up becoming serial BnCers or they just go back to how they were natty n don’t do much after, so if you want to play this card remember that it’s a serious commitment (but tbh I don’t understand why you’d be worried bout TRT, shit with how the world is right now most of us would probably end up on it at some point or another regardless of AAS usage, either that or deal with shitty low t symptoms which why would you if you had a choice, the only thing I don’t like bout TRT/gear is the fact that you become dependent on it so if there were to be a big war or world issue, which will happen at some point soon imo, it means we gotta either already have mad raws to home brew or have to go kick a do at the various local pharmacies, yeah you can stockpile stuff but it will last however long it will last).

Sorry for the rant but yeah OP make sure you know tf you want n don’t be surprised if you change your mind once you start

 

[lukiss96]

Just to add to everything that has already been said... Nobody does one cycle and calls it a day. Not gonna happen.

If you have a Mustang GT and regular Civic, your head says take Honda, but your heart - Mustang. So after you drive that Mustang GT, do you think you can ride Civic forver or will you sometimes let yourself have some more fun and take GT for a spin?

 

[HeavyLiftr]

Hello everyone!
I'm planning to start my first cycle and planning a maximum of 2 cycles for my entire life!
Test cycles = (Enanthate or Propionate, 250-350 mg per week).
My main concern is the potential for testicular issues or harm to normal testosterone even after a proper PCT.
I don't want just because of 2 cycles in my life go to TRT or any kind of meditation. (Respect to all people on TRT BUT this is my personal opinion).
I understand individual responses vary, but I'm seeking general insights.
I did my own research but seems like it's very hard to learn all the things in a few weeks or months.

Here are my stats:
- Height: 5'11"
- Weight: 179 lbs
- Age: 32
- Body Fat: 18-20%
- Current Testosterone level: 481
- blood work looks good.

I have an online coach, but I prefer doing my own research always. I'd greatly appreciate insights from experienced individuals to alleviate my overthinking and help with this challenging decision.

Thanks to all!

If you can't get to 200 pounds at 15% naturally you are not ready for steroids.

 

[lukiss96]

If you can't get to 200 pounds at 15% naturally you are not ready for steroids.

I agree as it's exactly where I started out. However in the current day we live, I'm not surprised anymore that everybody wants fast gains. The pace this world spins nowadays is just too damn crazy. Social media is killing younger gen effectively. I feel like an old man talking to someone else in their 20's...

 

[ChevChelios]

Just to add to everything that has already been said... Nobody does one cycle and calls it a day. Not gonna happen.

If you have a Mustang GT and regular Civic, your head says take Honda, but your heart - Mustang. So after you drive that Mustang GT, do you think you can ride Civic forver or will you sometimes let yourself have some more fun and take GT for a spin?

I love that analogy (especially as a mustang enthusiast, although I’d personally first grab me a GMC with the bulletproof optional those are still my dream cars, mustangs n dodges/rams).

Plus it’s true, apart from PCT suckin donkey balls n not being good for you in general everyone ik who cycles ends up BnCing or at least do some similar stuff to minimise the amount of time ‘wasted’ by recouping from previous cycles, at that point it’s probably a lot better for you to just BnC for some years n then once you really think you want to quit just do a PCT then so you only gotta do that shit once instead of goin forwards n backwards all the time

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

I agree as it's exactly where I started out. However in the current day we live, I'm not surprised anymore that everybody wants fast gains. The pace this world spins nowadays is just too damn crazy. Social media is killing younger gen effectively. I feel like an old man talking to someone else in their 20's...

I must admit I did 10 years of ridiculous doses looking for these quick gains but not been able to eat week to week due to high doses and Tren always been in there I could've made more gains on a quarter the amount.. Finally I see this running only 600mg Test weekly and 6iu HGH daily I feel better than ever.. At least with good mindset you will still be here to give advice long into the future my friend and I intend to be too..

 

[ChevChelios]

If you can't get to 200 pounds at 15% naturally you are not ready for steroids.

This too. Depends on your height too tho, I am nearly at that (185) but I also am 5’9/5’10 n at 10% bf, but I also was training for combat sports before I came back to bbing/pling so tbh I started AAS for that type of performance (I was far from reaching my natural bbing potential when I started cos I was doing the paulo costa thing of bbing while fighting n havin to make weight, looked great but I’m sure I didn’t gain as much as I would have if I just lifted n ate more going up in classes, since I fight at 135/155 ahah) n then it just made sense for bbing n powerlifting, but regardless I gained a good 30/40lbs in just 3 months of lifting before ever touching the gear (y’all would be surprised how anabolic it is to refeed right after a period of starvation, shit literally changed how I look n I ain’t even gain much fat just muscle n water) so OP you’d be surprised at how much dope stuff you can do if you know how to manipulate nutrition n train hard

 

[ChevChelios]

I must admit I did 10 years of ridiculous doses looking for these quick gains but not been able to eat week to week due to high doses and Tren always been in there I could've made more gains on a quarter the amount.. Finally I see this running only 600mg Test weekly and 6iu HGH daily I feel better than ever.. At least with good mindset you will still be here to give advice long into the future my friend and I intend to be too..

Yo fr this tren trend is nuts, I understand if people are getting show ready but there’s no reason one should touch that shit unless they are precontest, it’s a compound that even I am curious about but from everything ik it’s largely unnecessary unless you want to do a show n need that last lil bit of help, imo shit got popular on social media n when GH15 was talking bout it n now everyone takes it without even knowing the real reason why it’s good (hmmm good isn’t the right term, I would say effective is a better term for that shit)

 

[Trainedbytylerlofthouse19]

Yo fr this tren trend is nuts, I understand if people are getting show ready but there’s no reason one should touch that shit unless they are precontest, it’s a compound that even I am curious about but from everything ik it’s largely unnecessary unless you want to do a show n need that last lil bit of help, imo shit got popular on social media n when GH15 was talking bout it n now everyone takes it without even knowing the real reason why it’s good (hmmm good isn’t the right term, I would say effective is a better term for that shit)

Man I wish I'd never listened to all the shit I read back then.. Soon as I read that Gh15 I'm thinking this guys knows what going on.. Boom high doses start and so do all my problems haha.. Those fucking twins are absolute idiots they should be enough to put people off the stuff but the sheep love them..

Even in contest I don't believe it is absolutely necessary iv seen great things built woth Primo and/or Mast.. And much fucking safer

 

[ChevChelios]

Man I wish I'd never listened to all the shit I read back then.. Soon as I read that Gh15 I'm thinking this guys knows what going on.. Boom high doses start and so do all my problems haha.. Those fucking twins are absolute idiots they should be enough to put people off the stuff but the sheep love them..

Even in contest I don't believe it is absolutely necessary iv seen great things built woth Primo and/or Mast.. And much fucking safer

Ahah yeah I enjoy dudes stuff but imo it’s not like you should follow the advice especially unless you already been BnCing for a while.

Them twins I actually don’t mind even tho they used to get on my nerves but tbh I don’t even think they ever took tren ahah it’s just a trendy topic n funny name for marketing (I’m pretty sure someone who trained them said so too that they admitted it was just marketing bs) but yeah they finna make this shit even more popular n then we will have all these kids on fkin tren before they even ever did a basic 500 test cycle smh