Need feedback on Insulin protocol (Novolog pre/post)

[Mac11wildcat]

Mac, thank you for your replies and advice to my questions it's very helpful.

I will plan to follow the steps you outlined here taking slin only pre-workout to start, using Novolog. In the future if one were to also add a second slin dose post workout, could you please outline in the same format how the timing would work? What period of time between the two shots does one need to wait to avoid 'overlap' of the insulin durations? Assuming log type.

I will be solidifying my diet and adding insulin according to amount of carbs already in place instead of feeding the insulin dose with food, per everyone's advice here. Thanks all.

I honestly wouldn’t use one post unless you did more GH post. Throw slin on another meal (maybe two meals before your preworkout meal) or somewhere else. Anabolism is good no matter what time of day; just avoid overlap and before bed.

my slin is going forward will be utilizing a base lantus and small log doses with meals vs large single doses around training I think.

 

[TGLTN]

I honestly wouldn’t use one post unless you did more GH post. Throw slin on another meal (maybe two meals before your preworkout meal) or somewhere else. Anabolism is good no matter what time of day; just avoid overlap and before bed.

my slin is going forward will be utilizing a base lantus and small log doses with meals vs large single doses around training I think.

Thanks, it's interesting that you advise log pre only and not post. I thought (correct me if I'm wrong) that the muscles are most starved during post-workout so this would be a good opportunity to shuttle nutrients? Unless this is already being covered by the preworkout shot?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Thanks, it's interesting that you advise log pre only and not post. I thought (correct me if I'm wrong) that the muscles are most starved during post-workout so this would be a good opportunity to shuttle nutrients? Unless this is already being covered by the preworkout shot?

You’re naturally most sensitive post workout. Also, log would have a second peak around the end of training. Why not force nutrients while you train..? Unless your dieting down low your muscles are never “starved.”

 

[Frozen]

Following, always like Mac’s input on things

 

[Methyl Mike]

Hi all, trying insulin for the first time. Will be checking fasted blood glucose in morning and throughout the day for some weeks before starting.

-Planning on starting 2iu pharma GH for few weeks before starting insulin
-Plan is to run Novolog both pre and post workout
-Starting with 5iu insulin, slowly increasing from there
-Using 10g carb for every 1iu insulin, will carefully reduce to maybe 7g carb to 1iu insulin
-Carrying glucose pills on body in case of emergencies

All I have are old forum posts to go off of, I don't have a coach that I can get feedback from.
The protocol below is a result of copy and pasting from other posts. (Mutant protocol , other protocols)
I'd like to ask experienced users to give feedback please.
Let me know if anything is missing, if anything should be changed.

PRE-WORKOUT:
-15 min before workout: pin 5iu Novolog
-10 min before workout: Drink Shake #1 (20g PeptoPro, 50g Karbolyn/Vitargo, 5g creatine, 10g glutamine)
-During workout: Sip on Shake #2 (20g PeptoPro, 50g Karbolyn/Vitargo, 5g creatine)
-Is there a step missing here??? A shake/meal needed?

POST-WORKOUT:
-pin 5iu Novolog
-pin + 5 min: drink Shake #3 (50g Karbolyn/Vitargo, 20g PeptoPro, 5g creatine)
-pin + 15 min: drink Shake #4 (60g whey isolate)
-pin + 60 min: eat a protein/carb meal with zero fat

Questions:
1. When to take gh?

-I've heard to pin gh in the morning before fasted cardio and not to eat anything for 1 hour
-I've read to pin gh a little before pinning insulin pre-workout
-I've read to pin gh before bed

2. Time on slin and time off? Do I run slin for 4 weeks then do 4 weeks off while taking metformin/berberine? I've had a 'coach' tell me that I don't even need to come off...but I know insulin desensitization is real

3. Should I pin insulin sub-q or IM? I know it's meant to be pinned sub-q and I've read that IM can mess with the timing?

Please let me know if any of the supplements above are incorrect, or could be replaced with something better, or if any crucial steps are missing, if there is anything you would do differently.

Thank you!

First off I haven't used Novalog but I can tell you what I've learned thru trial and error.

First no insulin until running GH long enough high enough that fasted sugars kind of stick to about 100 give or take maybe 10.

From there start a combo of lantus and I guess log. I'm not sure exactly how much they differ.

I started with 30ius lantus in the am and went up 10ius a day until I hit 70 and I've stayed there. I'm not diabetic so I'm not looking for lantus to do all the work.

From there I pin small amounts of humulin throughout the day before meals. Maybe 3 or 4 small shots a day. 5ius at a time. This is where lantus helps. I tried larger doses of humulin without it and was always anxious and stuffing my face out of fear. But lantus is somewhat less of a risk and it makes 5ius humulin really shine. I pin humulin and make some food, not really trying to match carbs to slin but the other way around. I eat what I'm planning and use the slin as a boost (it rocks) and also to.keep my sugar steady with the GH.

I TRIED those stupid pre and pwo shakes and slin and I got fat as fuck FAST. I dont think they work.

The idea as I practice is to use reasonable amounts of slin to enhance everything else I'm doing. And its made a difference.

Small warning if you do things my way remember I eat very very often. If i oversleep I wake up in mild hypo which isn't really dangerous but I have gone hypo all my life naturally. I'm used to functioning with low blood sugar. Most people freak out and stuff their face and that you don't want to do

I feel insulin is a very personal thing and no one can write you xyz protocol and it will be ideal. If you start off on the right foot and learn your body as you go you will be happy with the results.

The biggest danger with slin besides overeating is stacking lantus with log and getting wreckless. Your body can handle a decent amount of.log and you might go hypo but you will produce glucagon and be fine HOWEVER and this is important if you also have a big dose of lantus in your.body let's say you pin 100ius or more you could end up fucked when lantus is gobbling up all the glucagon and you slip into a coma.

If I were you i would team up with someone to watch over you and take a decent size shot of log say 15ius and make yourself hypo and learn to recognize when trouble is starting and teach yourself to function. Have someone with you at all times with some sugar water glucose tabs or whatever. Because when blood sugar drops you tend to feel tired and unable to think younsweat and at some point will want to fall asleep. Which could be very bad.

BTW the rewards are worth it. Just be smart and PATIENT. Do not rush this shit be smart and its worth it.

 

[Methyl Mike]

I honestly wouldn’t use one post unless you did more GH post. Throw slin on another meal (maybe two meals before your preworkout meal) or somewhere else. Anabolism is good no matter what time of day; just avoid overlap and before bed.

my slin is going forward will be utilizing a base lantus and small log doses with meals vs large single doses around training I think.

That is what I'm doing but with humulin. I've landed on 70ius Lantus and I don't need more. I pin 5ius humulin first thing in the morning and a few more times during the day. Including at night. But with how much I eat im really not worried. Have had almost no issues but if I go too long without eating my blood sugar dips kinda fast and I feel like ass until I eat. But when everything is on time its all good.

You might do better with less than 70ius of lantus because I believe log has more of a kick than humulin. Personally im very happy with humulin. I wouldn't switch to log even if I could get it.

 

[Methyl Mike]

Oh and I pin humulin before I go to the gym and munch on sweet tarts or whatever and when it kicks I fucking love it. Without the lantus 5ius of humulin isn't noticeable. Yet at 10ius or more (i went as high as 20) i really hated it. Sugar too low eat sugar now its too high a few minutes later I'm sweating again. Not the business.

Post workout 5ius humulin again with my GH. so I'm probably pinning 20-25ius a day of humulin total. Depending on total meals I eat two meals per shot.