Need help please

[Ric]

Hey there bros....

I ran a course of:

400mg Cypi for 1-12 weeks ( shots E3D )

200mg Deca for 1 - 10 weeks ( shots E3D )

Nolva 1-12 weeks ( 10mg ED )

PCT Clomid
Week 1 - 200mg
Week 2 - 100mg
Week 3 - 50 mg

I am now about to start another course of:

500mg Sustanon for 1-12 weeks ( shots E3D )

400mg Deca for 1-10 weeks ( shots E3D )

I think I may have slight gyno, not itchy by slight fatty like tissue around my nips. I spoke to a couple of gym buddies and have been advised that I have not left enough time in between cycles, could you good bros advise what you think I should do as I am 2 weeks into my second cycle and don't really want to stop short.

Please help.......

 

[Ric]

Any 0ne ?????

 

[R. I. P.]

I am not totally sure on that but I think that i read in muscular development that their is not proven fact that you need to take the same amount of time off that you were on?

would like to here some more input on it though

 

[ydrpysg]

time off = time on. but, if you've already started the next cycle, it's too late. might as well finish it out. are you taking nolva or arimidex or femara? if not, you need to. you deca dose is very low so i doubt you'll have any progesteronic sides.

 

[Ric]

time off = time on. but, if you've already started the next cycle, it's too late. might as well finish it out. are you taking nolva or arimidex or femara? if not, you need to. you deca dose is very low so i doubt you'll have any progesteronic sides.

Thanks ydrpysg,

I was taking Nolva @ 10mg per day, I have upped this to 20mg per day to try and reduce the gyno, will this work ?

I mean if I carry on taking the nolva will I lose the fatty deposits round my nips or am I going to end up with MAN BREASTS ??

 

[occam]

Just to be clear before we get into this, a few questions.

What is your cycle history?

Age and weight?

How long after your last shots of Deca etc. did you begin pct?

How long after pct did you wait to start again?

 

[Ric]

Just to be clear before we get into this, a few questions.

What is your cycle history?

Age and weight?

How long after your last shots of Deca etc. did you begin pct?

How long after pct did you wait to start again?

Hi Occam,

3 cycles so far, last was 2nd and this one is 3rd.

27 yrs & 200 lbs

PCT - 2 weeks after last deca shot.

Started new cycle 1 week after PCT finished

 

[occam]

Well I'm sure that you already know you started about two months before you should have but that is neither here nor there so we can spare the lectures.

What is your approximate body fat percentage?

What was your first cycle and how long ago was it?

Are you holding a lot of water/bloated right now?

Had you been taking the Nolva at 10mg ED before you noticed the potential gyno? Also when did you increase the dosage to 20mg?

Did you experience testicular atrophy during your last cycle, if so did you regain testicular function/size during pct?

Has sexual drive changed during the past weeks or during the last cycle?

If we can eliminate deca as the source of your problem (we have not even though it is a low dose) it should be easy to get you on track.

I think that is all the questions that need be asked.

 

[Ric]

Well I'm sure that you already know you started about two months before you should have but that is neither here nor there so we can spare the lectures.

What is your approximate body fat percentage?

What was your first cycle and how long ago was it?

Are you holding a lot of water/bloated right now?

Had you been taking the Nolva at 10mg ED before you noticed the potential gyno? Also when did you increase the dosage to 20mg?

Did you experience testicular atrophy during your last cycle, if so did you regain testicular function/size during pct?

Has sexual drive changed during the past weeks or during the last cycle?

If we can eliminate deca as the source of your problem (we have not even though it is a low dose) it should be easy to get you on track.

I think that is all the questions that need be asked.

m,

Occam,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, bloody PC's messed up, but back on track now !!

Thnaks for spareing me the lecture, I know I fucked up, I just want to got mysef sorted. Thanks for the help.

What is your approximate body fat percentage? 18%

What was your first cycle and how long ago was it? Sust 500mg/ week & Deca 200mg/ week - 18 months ago

Are you holding a lot of water/bloated right now? I was but it seems to be dropping off alot since taking the nolva.

Had you been taking the Nolva at 10mg ED before you noticed the potential gyno? No, started at 10mg when I noticed the gyno.

Also when did you increase the dosage to 20mg? 3 weeks ago during PCT

Did you experience testicular atrophy during your last cycle, if so did you regain testicular function/size during pct? No they always worked, they did shrink but did gain some size during PCT

Has sexual drive changed during the past weeks or during the last cycle? No, none at all, I am blessed with a really high sex drive normally and this continues.

Thanks,

 

[Ric]

Hey there bros,

Can I get some feedback on the above please, I need to know what to do asap !!

Thanks

 

[Ric]

Anyone going to help ???

81 veiws and 2 replies ?????

 

[Pup'nIrn]

Anyone going to help ???

81 veiws and 2 replies ?????

First off Ric, your starting another cycle too soon....period. A good standard to follow is be off as long as you were on. Next, the fatty tissue will not leave under the nips by just taking nolva. Although it is excellent in speeding up estrogen related fat loss, you need to diet down to remove it. I finished a cutting cycle 6 weeks ago for a contest and lost all nip fat but it required my body fat to be in the 6-7% range. At 18%, you can only expect the nolva to help keep it from getting worse unless you are bulking with excessive calories and therefore the fat can still accumilate.

My suggestion is take 6-8 weeks starting today and run a clen, eca, maybe dnp cycle or two and lower body fat in preparation for your next cycle. This will give you enough time to get natural test level back up and funtioning. Continue on the nolva at 10-20mg/day while dropping bodyfat and you'll be pleased with the ol' nips. During this time train hard, natural and supplement with creatine, glutamine and a high protein diet preparing for your next cycle.

Pup

 

[Ric]

First off Ric, your starting another cycle too soon....period. A good standard to follow is be off as long as you were on. Next, the fatty tissue will not leave under the nips by just taking nolva. Although it is excellent in speeding up estrogen related fat loss, you need to diet down to remove it. I finished a cutting cycle 6 weeks ago for a contest and lost all nip fat but it required my body fat to be in the 6-7% range. At 18%, you can only expect the nolva to help keep it from getting worse unless you are bulking with excessive calories and therefore the fat can still accumilate.

My suggestion is take 6-8 weeks starting today and run a clen, eca, maybe dnp cycle or two and lower body fat in preparation for your next cycle. This will give you enough time to get natural test level back up and funtioning. Continue on the nolva at 10-20mg/day while dropping bodyfat and you'll be pleased with the ol' nips. During this time train hard, natural and supplement with creatine, glutamine and a high protein diet preparing for your next cycle.

Pup

Thanks Pup,

So you think I should drop the Sust & Deca I am on currently and switch to a clen, eca ??

(I will not touch dnp, due to the sides)

 

[occam]

Sorry it took so long to get back to you, I've tried twice now to respond to this thread but my lap top hates me of late.

I would love to hear that you decided to come off and let your natural hormonal balance return, but I've never heard of someone in your situation doing so. Thats not an insult either, I know how hard it is to come off or stay off.

If your nips aren't sore to the touch or itchy I doubt you have a serious problem.

So from what you have said, I think you are doing the right thing by keeping the Nolva at 20mgs ED. That should address estro related gyno issues that are in development. As you probably know, if the tissue is already there (it would be a slightly firm to the touch mass surrounding a harder lump directly under your nipple) only surgery will remove it.

At 18% BF you are in all likelihood looking at fatty tissue and water retention.
Many of us carry some weight there when bulking, luckily for you it usually comes off before your abdomen though so it should not be to difficult to find out where you stand.

If you do indeed go ahead with your cycle, I'd suggest eating very clean during the next couple weeks. I know you are trying to bulk, but dropping a few BF% will let you easily see where you stand with regard to what is what in your chest area.

I doubt you have any progesterone/prolactin issues, as you are at a low dose and even if you were that susceptible you would probably FEEL something. If it would make you feel better you can look into Vitex or vitamin B6 for that.

Keep us posted.

 

[Pup'nIrn]

Thanks Pup,

So you think I should drop the Sust & Deca I am on currently and switch to a clen, eca ??

(I will not touch dnp, due to the sides)

Since you started the sust, I'd run another cycle of clomid 50-100mg/day 14-21 days to insure test recovery and use 2 weeks on 2 weeks off clen/nolva 20mg/day and eca/nolva 20mg/day. I believe in nolvadex for diet with fatty breast tissue. It works everytime I diet and I usually bulk to extreme levels. I lost 60lbs for this last contest and had very cut pecs with no gyno present. Oh and DNP is not that bad Bro. I use low dosage 7-10 day 200mg/day cycles and the results are excellent with little to no sides. It just requires a little research and the sense to know how much is enough. Later, Pup

 

[Pup'nIrn]

Since you started the sust, I'd run another cycle of clomid 50-100mg/day 14-21 days to insure test recovery and use 2 weeks on 2 weeks off clen/nolva 20mg/day and eca/nolva 20mg/day. I believe in nolvadex for diet with fatty breast tissue. It works everytime I diet and I usually bulk to extreme levels. I lost 60lbs for this last contest and had very cut pecs with no gyno present. Oh and DNP is not that bad Bro. I use low dosage 7-10 day 200mg/day cycles and the results are excellent with little to no sides. It just requires a little research and the sense to know how much is enough. Later, Pup

Oh and the cool thing is you will be boosting your test levels back to normal with the nolva while dieting to lose the fat...... When enough time passes and you leaned up some, hit the next cycle hard. Pup

 

[occam]

Oh and the cool thing is you will be boosting your test levels back to normal with the nolva while dieting to lose the fat...... When enough time passes and you leaned up some, hit the next cycle hard. Pup

Very solid advice. Hope he takes it, but my money is on him staying on the cycle. Maybe he is an unusual one though eh?

 

[Ric]

Hey Bros,

Thanks for the advise, I must be unusual as I am going to stop the cycle. I am not going to jepodise my balls for the sake of a extra few pounds !!

So I intend to start clomid in 2 weeks time as follows:

Day 1 300mg Clomid & 20mg Nolv
Day 2-10 100mg clomid & 20mg Nolva
Day 11-21 50mg Clomid & 10mg Nolva

Would you recommend hcg to make the nuts grow some before I start the clomid ?? and if so what doses ??

Also would you prefer clomid over nolva for PCT ?? and if you prefer the nolva, at what doses ??

I may then run some clen/ eca to diet down but do not know a lot about them, could you advise me further on that please ?

Then I am going to wait 12 weeks before starting a new cycle in Jan 05 when I will do the following:

Weeks 1-12 Sustanon 500mg/ week ( Shot 2x weekly )

Weeks 1-10 Deca Norma 400mg/ Week ( Shot 2x weekly )

Weeks 1-4 D/bol 30mg ED

What do you think bros ??

Thank you for all of your help on this, I really really appreciate it....

 

[Ric]

Anyone ????

 

[Pup'nIrn]

Hey Bros,

Thanks for the advise, I must be unusual as I am going to stop the cycle. I am not going to jepodise my balls for the sake of a extra few pounds !!

So I intend to start clomid in 2 weeks time as follows:

Day 1 300mg Clomid & 20mg Nolv
Day 2-10 100mg clomid & 20mg Nolva
Day 11-21 50mg Clomid & 10mg Nolva

Would you recommend hcg to make the nuts grow some before I start the clomid ?? and if so what doses ??

Also would you prefer clomid over nolva for PCT ?? and if you prefer the nolva, at what doses ??

I may then run some clen/ eca to diet down but do not know a lot about them, could you advise me further on that please ?

Then I am going to wait 12 weeks before starting a new cycle in Jan 05 when I will do the following:

Weeks 1-12 Sustanon 500mg/ week ( Shot 2x weekly )

Weeks 1-10 Deca Norma 400mg/ Week ( Shot 2x weekly )

Weeks 1-4 D/bol 30mg ED

What do you think bros ??

Thank you for all of your help on this, I really really appreciate it....

Looks good...both the up and coming cycle and pct from this one. Some may say you need more test but 500mg sust will do fine. I prefer using clomid @ 100mg/day with nolva @ 20mg/day for pct also. Stay with your plan and don't let the dieting and cardio get to your mind. Your trying to get bigger but you will have to get small (fat wise) before you have what your lookig for in a body. Pup