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[CamCamthePowerMan]

I can’t for the life of me build muscle… I’ve been training for four years now with little results. I’ve got so impatient I started steroids well testosterone optimization therapy so to speak. I took 600 mg of testosterone every week for 16 weeks. I’ve took 2 blood tests during cycle to make sure it was legit. Both were well above range. but still little results in muscle growth during and after cycle.
My training is fairly simple over the past two years. I’ve been doing a push pull legs Which consists of a push day, a pool day, a leg day sometimes an arm day and rest day and Repeat. 8 to 12 sets per day each set to failure with hypertrophy in mind. Staying right around 205 pounds give or take. Not sure on body fat percentage, but maybe 20%. Not sure. but I’m skinny fat, arms and legs, fairly lean and veiny but torso holds all the fat. My diet consist of a maximum of 4000 cal a day which I just recently bumped up from 3500. 250 to 300 g of protein a day. From chicken fish steak and turkey, roughly the same on carbs from rice and potatoes and about 100g of fat. I have my occasional cheat meal once every couple of weeks where I stay within the same range of calories, but don’t count the macros. My supplements consist of multivitamin, fish oils, creatine, magnesium, zinc, and veggie replacement supplement called smarter greens. I’m going to continue adding compounds to my next test based cycle I’ve already got Mastrone and growth hormone and superdrol on standby from qsc but that stack isn’t set in stone I may switch it up or add more compounds. I really don’t know what else to do, I just want to get huge. I got the stupid goal where I want to be 230 lean and I’m not going to stop until I either reach that goal or end up 6 foot under .anyways, before any of you say it, I know I’m an idiot who potentially has a death wish but this ambition of mine is literally the only thing I’ve got going for me in life so any advice would greatly be appreciated

 

[Grey Spartan]

So you took 600mg Test a week for 16 weeks, plus 3500 calories a day and did 8-12 sets a day to failure and didn't put on any muscle? I'm going to assume you don't snort meth, you get plenty of sleep and do not have any thyroid issues?

 

[CamCamthePowerMan]

The thyroid issues I’m unsure about. But yes man I fucking work my dick in the dirt I'm not some run the mill little bitch. when I go to the gym, I hit it hard harder than anybody else there.

 

[CorgisOnTren]

Staying right around 205 pounds give or take. Not sure on body fat percentage, but maybe 20%.

It’s your nutrition. You’ve been the same weight. What do you except?

Also eat less fat and eat more carbs.

 

[Grey Spartan]

The thyroid issues I’m unsure about. But yes man I fucking work my dick in the dirt I'm not some run the mill little bitch. when I go to the gym, I hit it hard harder than anybody else there.

Well brother I'm stumped. Even if you ate fucking pizza and cheesecake, I would assume you would of put on some muscle. Maybe try 410 grams a day protein a day, adjust the rest of your macros around training needs and up the calorie intake. Obviously don't let yourself get fat. Maybe you are a poor responder to gear and need bigger doses? Hopefully someone like @PaintDrinker will chime in.

 

[PaintDrinker]

Well brother I'm stumped. Even if you ate fucking pizza and cheesecake, I would assume you would of put on some muscle. Maybe try 410 grams a day protein a day, adjust the rest of your macros around training needs and up the calorie intake. Obviously don't let yourself get fat. Maybe you are a poor responder to gear and need bigger doses? Hopefully someone like @PaintDrinker will chime in.

Have some questions I'll be free in a few hours. First would be are we counting every single calorie. Are we progressively overloading?

Are we eating enough cereal? 600 test I good sure but if we're not responding to that wouldn't be bad to throw in a secondary anabolic at 300mgs.

 

[BP_6]

Did you gain any significant weight brother? If so how much?

 

[dinfar1337]

Have some questions I'll be free in a few hours. First would be are we counting every single calorie. Are we progressively overloading?

Are we eating enough cereal? 600 test I good sure but if we're not responding to that wouldn't be bad to throw in a secondary anabolic at 300mgs.

even if your nutrition is fucked or your training is off, you'll grow immenesly from the first cycle. this is where the no training and 600mg test cycle for 10 weeks where they drank cola at home and ate junk food gained more muscle than the guys training with no test and guys training with no test but believed they was on study came from which everyone believes is true for later cycles. keep hearing this stupid study from my friends thinking i'll grow faster than them not training on cycle 10 if my diet or training is off

 

[PaintDrinker]

even if your nutrition is fucked or your training is off, you'll grow immenesly from the first cycle. this is where the no training and 600mg test cycle for 10 weeks where they drank cola at home and ate junk food gained more muscle than the guys training with no test and guys training with no test but believed they was on study came from which everyone believes is true for later cycles. keep hearing this stupid study from my friends thinking i'll grow faster than them not training on cycle 10 if my diet or training is off

Nah dude that study is flawed. It measuring lean body mass which includes nitrogen & glycogen retention. Take 600 test sit around and do nothing I'll promise you look like a bloated fucking guppy lol

 

[dinfar1337]

Nah dude that study is flawed. It measuring lean body mass which includes nitrogen & glycogen retention. Take 600 test sit around and do nothing I'll promise you look like a bloated fucking guppy lol

that might be true, i've taken my diet and training seriously before even beginning on roids for years and was making decent progress before so i wouldn't know. i just assumed because all my compound lifts had a major jump went up on all compound lifts like 10-20kg on week 4-5 of first cycle. so i just assumed even if you sit around and drink cola and are only able to bench 60kg, you'll have the strength suddenly of benching 80kg without even training.

 

[Astartes]

Pictures of you please.
Post your lifting routine.
Post your daily diet.
Post Age
Post Height
Post Weight

The is will help us

 

[CamCamthePowerMan]

Pictures of you please.
Post your lifting routine.
Post your daily diet.
Post Age
Post Height
Post Weight

The is will help us

for whatever reason it will not allow me to post pictures on here I’ve tried multiple times I don’t know but OK. Note that the workouts very on what part of the muscle group I want to hit but here lately this has been my routine for the past couple months. I’m trying something a little different where I’m hitting a max of 20 reps before going up in weight.
Pull day
Cable decline press 3x20reps
Cable incline press 3x20reps
Single arm cable crossover 2x20reps
Shoulder flies 2xfailer (dropset) 35lds 25lds 15lds
Face pulls 2xfailer

Push day
Cable pulldown wide grip 2x20reps
Single cable pulldown (slow and controlled) 3x20reps
Barbell bent over 2x10-20
Shrugs 2x30

Leg day
Hack squad 3x20-30
Leg extensions 3x10-20
Leg curls 3x10-20
Calf raises 3x15-30

Repeat

Current diet
Meal1 : 250 g egg whites 10 ounces shredded potato 1 tablespoon avocado oil

Meal2: 4 ounces 93 lean ground beef 4 ounces 99 lean turkey 3 ounces poblano pepper 2 ounces onion 6 ounces rice 1 tablespoon olive oil

Meal3: 8 ounce sirloin, steak, fat trimmed 6 ounces rice

Meal4: two cans of tuna, 6 ounces of rice

Meal 5: 8 ounces chicken breast tenderloin 6 ounces rice 1/2 tablespoon olive oil

Meal 6: 10 ounces shrimp 6 ounces rice half tablespoon olive oil

Protein bar

I switch it up a little bit, but that’s what I’ve been doing in the past three weeks.

I’m 205 pounds give or take 5 foot nine. 4 months ago I was 185 on my cut before bulking. And now 4 months into the bulk I am 205 pounds but i’ve seemed to gain mostly fat. And strength has gone up but I’m fairly certain that was from the first three weeks of cycle being on super injectables

Now that I think about it, I guess I could’ve just shortened this entire question by asking what my next cycle should be. My current thoughts are 500 mg of testosterone c, 200 mg maston, 3 to 4 iu growth hormone, 200+ milligrams superdrol and may add 100-200mg tren.

 

[dinfar1337]

for whatever reason it will not allow me to post pictures on here I’ve tried multiple times I don’t know but OK. Note that the workouts very on what part of the muscle group I want to hit but here lately this has been my routine for the past couple months. I’m trying something a little different where I’m hitting a max of 20 reps before going up in weight.
Pull day
Cable decline press 3x20reps
Cable incline press 3x20reps
Single arm cable crossover 2x20reps
Shoulder flies 2xfailer (dropset) 35lds 25lds 15lds
Face pulls 2xfailer

Push day
Cable pulldown wide grip 2x20reps
Single cable pulldown (slow and controlled) 3x20reps
Barbell bent over 2x10-20
Shrugs 2x30

Leg day
Hack squad 3x20-30
Leg extensions 3x10-20
Leg curls 3x10-20
Calf raises 3x15-30

Repeat

Current diet
Meal1 : 250 g egg whites 10 ounces shredded potato 1 tablespoon avocado oil

Meal2: 4 ounces 93 lean ground beef 4 ounces 99 lean turkey 3 ounces poblano pepper 2 ounces onion 6 ounces rice 1 tablespoon olive oil

Meal3: 8 ounce sirloin, steak, fat trimmed 6 ounces rice

Meal4: two cans of tuna, 6 ounces of rice

Meal 5: 8 ounces chicken breast tenderloin 6 ounces rice 1/2 tablespoon olive oil

Meal 6: 10 ounces shrimp 6 ounces rice half tablespoon olive oil

Protein bar

I switch it up a little bit, but that’s what I’ve been doing in the past three weeks.

I’m 205 pounds give or take 5 foot nine. 4 months ago I was 185 on my cut before bulking. And now 4 months into the bulk I am 205 pounds but i’ve seemed to gain mostly fat. And strength has gone up but I’m fairly certain that was from the first three weeks of cycle being on super injectables

Now that I think about it, I guess I could’ve just shortened this entire question by asking what my next cycle should be. My current thoughts are 500 mg of testosterone c, 200 mg maston, 3 to 4 iu growth hormone, 200+ milligrams superdrol and may add 100-200mg tren.

you dont need growth hormone or tren. u need to weigh your food instead of this tablespoon and ounce shit, and start training to failure. also you should be training arms and abs. cut down test to 150-200mg a week. change your rep range if u do more than 8 reps u progressively overload instead of doing 12 sets of HIIT & Yoga. and invest in a food weight scale instead of new steriods. when you start getting stronger and see progress on trt then you can think about jumping on again. until then you shouldnt ruin your health when you're training and eating like someone whos been in the gym for less than 3 months

also you didnt answer the questions above.
but i can already tell you 4000 calories for someone who is 5'4 and under 100kg you're lucky you have only packed a little fat on in 4 months. i know people who are 2 meters tall at 100-110kg that can bulk with 4000 calories

 

[CamCamthePowerMan]

I do weigh my food. lol. My scale weighs in pounds oz grams and ml. 13ml is a tablespoon of oil. Just a little easier to say tablespoon than that. same with the Grams. Used to do 8 to 12 on the rep range but my pumps have gotten a lot better doing between 15 and 20 reps 20 being max before going up in weight. Every set is failure, man, every single set. When I say 3x20 it doesn’t mean I’m getting 20 reps every set. For example, last cable decline press I hit 19reps, 15reps, 13reps all to failer with a 1 to 2 minutes in between sets.

 

[dinfar1337]

I do weigh my food. lol. My scale weighs in pounds oz grams and ml. 13ml is a tablespoon of oil. Just a little easier to say tablespoon than that. same with the Grams. Used to do 8 to 12 on the rep range but my pumps have gotten a lot better doing between 15 and 20 reps 20 being max before going up in weight. Every set is failure, man, every single set. When I say 3x20 it doesn’t mean I’m getting 20 reps every set. For example, last cable decline press I hit 19reps, 15reps, 13reps all to failer with a 1 to 2 minutes in between sets.

i really am a hater of the way you train but, what is your current steriod cycle like and what is your age.
and what is your bloodwork like

 

[CamCamthePowerMan]

So bloodwork… Man, I wish I could send pictures, but for some reason. This site won’t allow me to post pictures. Anybody could help with that that would be great. Anyways I couldn’t tell you nothing about my blood work. I don’t know enough about it. Pretty much I couldn’t tell you anything about the human anatomy besides the basics. I’ve been trying to learn, but goes in one ear out the other. But the tests I took was testosterone total estradiol standard, lipid panel, cmp,
Thryroglubin and shbg

 

[CamCamthePowerMan]

This was everything out of range that I got tested.
Hdl cholesterol was 29 low
LDL cholesterol was 110 high
Cholesterol/hdlc ratio 5.3 high
AST 44 high
Alt 53 hogh
E2 139 high
Test >3000 capped
Shbg 6 low

 

[ATPSynthases84]

This was everything out of range that I got tested.
Hdl cholesterol was 29 low
LDL cholesterol was 110 high
Cholesterol/hdlc ratio 5.3 high
AST 44 high
Alt 53 hogh
E2 139 high
Test >3000 capped
Shbg 6 low

low shbg -> insulin resistance possibly

 

[CamCamthePowerMan]

I probably am insulin resistant to some extent… what bloodwork can I take to determine my insulin resistance?

 

[Astartes]

Not a fan of your routine.

Based on what you have said, I think you need to look in to overtraining if you are doing more than 4 days and 2 hours/day significant resistance training in a 7 day period.

Your calorie count is high for your height weight. Your problem isn’t total calories. I’m at 3000 non lift days (or cardio) and 3500 lift days and I’m 6’ and 255-265 at 10-15% BF at 48 years old.

You also may have high T3 though I suspect it is more along the lines of overtraining and how you are targeting muscle groups.

Junk the cable compound replacements.

Particularly on push. You aren’t going to get the growth from them. Replace with barbell compound. Use smith if you want. Prefer flat and smith combo.

Candidly your workout sucks for significant size and growth/hypertrophy. (I also do 3 sets of 20-30 reps.) So I know the sets/reps work. Volume is fine but you are using a lot of low risk low return exercises.

Example all below:

Pull day
Cable decline press 3x20reps (poor)
Cable incline press 3x20reps (poor)
Single arm cable crossover 2x20reps (poor)
Shoulder flies 2xfailer (dropset) 35lds 25lds 15lds (poor)
Face pulls 2xfailer (poor)

Comment: All of these are great secondary exercises but not primary.

Push day
Cable pulldown wide grip 2x20reps (poor)
Single cable pulldown (slow and controlled) 3x20reps (poor)
Barbell bent over 2x10-20 (Ok if barbell or T)
Shrugs 2x30 (Ok if smith or squat rack)

Comment: I would add military behind neck on smith. Shrugs first, military second. You really need to do a segmented body part lifting schedule vs this half assed whole body cable crap.

General

This isn’t a slam on you, but you have had poor teachers or input/access to learning. You would benefit from Mike Israetel’s videos. He brings some good knowledge and information.

At least to new-moderate experience lifters. (And even some experienced) Disregard his hit or miss jokes and bro humor.

He is a solid person and well respected.

Remember: time under tension, full range of motion with 3-5 second eccentric and powerful concentric movement, high volume through sets or reps and low weight 15-30 reps is key. Don’t need to take to actual failure. 1-3 reps from failure is fine. Avoid injury. Limit regression. SLEEP. EAT.

Lastly, an outside the box thought… if you snore heavily or have APNEA. Get on CPAP asap. Huge impacts.

Bout all I can help you with brother.