Need some advice on 2nd cycle of Tren A, Mast P, Test Cyp

[Tankyouverymuch]

Hello fellas!
I wanted to get some advice here from some of you more experienced members. This is my second cycle ever. Well, third but the second one I ran was fake shit that did nothing for me. I am running the following:
500mg Test cyp/wk
400mg Tren Ace
300mg Mast Prop
12 weeks
Start PCT after 10 days from last pin:
Day 1 Clomid 250mg+Nolvadex 60mg
Day 2-10 Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Day 11-20 Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
I want to run this for 12 weeks and then take 8 weeks off and then run another cycle for 10 weeks. (Not sure what to run yet open to recommendations)
My goal is to just gain 10-12 lbs of muscle while loosing body fat and just get cut shirtless season. Last year I ran a smaller cycle of this same combination and really liked how it turned out but I wanted a little more strength and just a little more leaness. Last year I ran Test cyp 525mg/wk, Tren A 200mg/wk, Mast p 150mg/wk).
Do you think this will make a significant difference doubling the Tren and Mast?
Do you have any recommendations for the 10 week cycle after or just run the same or a little less?
Is this PCT going to be effective or do I need to change anything?
Should I mix in Tren E at all to get more longevity from it?
Has anyone run anything similar to this?

 

[TAKESHI]

Hello fellas!
I wanted to get some advice here from some of you more experienced members. This is my second cycle ever. Well, third but the second one I ran was fake shit that did nothing for me. I am running the following:
500mg Test cyp/wk
400mg Tren Ace
300mg Mast Prop
12 weeks
Start PCT after 10 days from last pin:
Day 1 Clomid 250mg+Nolvadex 60mg
Day 2-10 Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Day 11-20 Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
I want to run this for 12 weeks and then take 8 weeks off and then run another cycle for 10 weeks. (Not sure what to run yet open to recommendations)
My goal is to just gain 10-12 lbs of muscle while loosing body fat and just get cut shirtless season. Last year I ran a smaller cycle of this same combination and really liked how it turned out but I wanted a little more strength and just a little more leaness. Last year I ran Test cyp 525mg/wk, Tren A 200mg/wk, Mast p 150mg/wk).
Do you think this will make a significant difference doubling the Tren and Mast?
Do you have any recommendations for the 10 week cycle after or just run the same or a little less?
Is this PCT going to be effective or do I need to change anything?
Should I mix in Tren E at all to get more longevity from it?
Has anyone run anything similar to this?

I wouldn’t run long ester test if I had too pct, the Test cyp will take at least 3 weeks to clear. i suggest TPP instead. Also running another cycle 8 weeks after pct is truly a retarded idea. Don’t be greedy!!

 

[Tankyouverymuch]

I wouldn’t run long ester test if I had too pct, the Test cyp will take at least 3 weeks to clear. i suggest TPP instead. Also running another cycle 8 weeks after pct is truly a retarded idea. Don’t be greedy!!

Test cyp from what I read will take 12 days to clear based on it's half-life of the ester. How do you figure 3 weeks? How should I bridge the 8 week gap then? I wasn't necessarily going to do a full PCT. Maybe tone it back a bit.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Test cyp from what I read will take 12 days to clear based on it's half-life of the ester. How do you figure 3 weeks? How should I bridge the 8 week gap then? I wasn't necessarily going to do a full PCT. Maybe tone it back a bit.

Do some. ore research into Test Esters.
Cyp is around 3 weeks.
Half life is around 8 days.
So at day 8 you have 250mg Testosterone (Still supraphysiological levels)
at day 16 you have 125 (TRT level) STill to high toneffectivly PCT as your HPTA will see no reason to restart, considering you are GTG.
8 days later, you will be low enough Test to kickstart HPTA with PCT.

As for the 8 weeks.

Where is your reason for this?

Bloodwork?
If not, you've just pulled out an arbitrary number out of thin air

Once your Liver, Kidney, Blood Lipds etc. jave recovered.... then think of another cycle... if not, your just being irresponsible

Not to mention, you are running Mast AND a 19nor
Not doing a proper PCT is a great way to fuck yourself over, they are unbelievably suppressive.

Where is your Hcg protocol?
I dont see one there.
You're running a VERY suppressive cycle, fucking off Proper PCT and ZERL HCG.

You dint expect members to take this seriously do you?

 

[Physique Demon]

Hello fellas!
I wanted to get some advice here from some of you more experienced members. This is my second cycle ever. Well, third but the second one I ran was fake shit that did nothing for me. I am running the following:
500mg Test cyp/wk
400mg Tren Ace
300mg Mast Prop
12 weeks
Start PCT after 10 days from last pin:
Day 1 Clomid 250mg+Nolvadex 60mg
Day 2-10 Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Day 11-20 Clomid 50mg + Nolvadex 20mg
I want to run this for 12 weeks and then take 8 weeks off and then run another cycle for 10 weeks. (Not sure what to run yet open to recommendations)
My goal is to just gain 10-12 lbs of muscle while loosing body fat and just get cut shirtless season. Last year I ran a smaller cycle of this same combination and really liked how it turned out but I wanted a little more strength and just a little more leaness. Last year I ran Test cyp 525mg/wk, Tren A 200mg/wk, Mast p 150mg/wk).
Do you think this will make a significant difference doubling the Tren and Mast?
Do you have any recommendations for the 10 week cycle after or just run the same or a little less?
Is this PCT going to be effective or do I need to change anything?
Should I mix in Tren E at all to get more longevity from it?
Has anyone run anything similar to this?

You may find that 12 weeks on tren A is too long. Look out for heart palpitations, high blood pressure, or any sense of just feeling off. Honestly trying to gain I'd stick to compounds like Test/Deca/EQ. They're much more mild and great for making gains if you're in this for the long haul. Cycles with tren will absolutely tax your body and there's no telling how much. Masteron provides very little boost towards lean mass. You may even just collect more sides than worth it on this cycle.

*Only time Id run test/tren/mast is when I was cutting for a show. I'd go 150 test C
And maybe 350MG tren A, 400-600MG mast P.

But unless your competing to me it's just not worth it running tren, or this kind of cycle.

 

[Tankyouverymuch]

Do some. ore research into Test Esters.
Cyp is around 3 weeks.
Half life is around 8 days.
So at day 8 you have 250mg Testosterone (Still supraphysiological levels)
at day 16 you have 125 (TRT level) STill to high toneffectivly PCT as your HPTA will see no reason to restart, considering you are GTG.
8 days later, you will be low enough Test to kickstart HPTA with PCT.

As for the 8 weeks.

Where is your reason for this?

Bloodwork?
If not, you've just pulled out an arbitrary number out of thin air

Once your Liver, Kidney, Blood Lipds etc. jave recovered.... then think of another cycle... if not, your just being irresponsible

Not to mention, you are running Mast AND a 19nor
Not doing a proper PCT is a great way to fuck yourself over, they are unbelievably suppressive.

Where is your Hcg protocol?
I dont see one there.
You're running a VERY suppressive cycle, fucking off Proper PCT and ZERL HCG.

You dint expect members to take this seriously do you?

I know a lot of members here like to cut up but I am trying to learning about this shit and gain some experience. It is interesting to hear what everyone has to say. I am sure none of you were born experts either and had to learn by reading a lot. I am just trying to get some opinions/advice/recommendations.

Silentmon, have you ran a Tren cycle personally? I read that hCG is not necessary and actually counterproductive during this cycle and can actually increase the chances of getting gyno especially sense I am running Test with the Tren. Also, the fellas that I am cloning this cycle from don't take it either.
Also, what do you mean by: "Not to mention, you are running Mast AND a 19nor" ? Are you referring to the Test or the Tren?

The reason for the 8 weeks was to end up cycling again for summer. This would land me on cycling again starting in June for the summer. I have been reading a lot of threads and written articles and it seems like guys run cycles that are extremely long or never even come off. Others never run past 10-12 weeks and then stay off or 10-12 weeks and then go back on. Everything I read whether it be people talking in forums or articles written by "experts" seems to all have different opinions or advice. I can't really get a grasp on what it fact or fiction and who is an actual credible source of knowledge.

Anyone know if there is a doctor that is literally an expert in the field of anabolics that you can consult with? I tried asking my regular PCP but it seems like their knowledge is very basic and limited. Of course they also say "I really don't recommend the use of steroids"

Maybe I just do 10 weeks on and then take the 10 weeks off and that would put me at starting a cycle again on June 14th.

 

[Tankyouverymuch]

You may find that 12 weeks on tren A is too long. Look out for heart palpitations, high blood pressure, or any sense of just feeling off. Honestly trying to gain I'd stick to compounds like Test/Deca/EQ. They're much more mild and great for making gains if you're in this for the long haul. Cycles with tren will absolutely tax your body and there's no telling how much. Masteron provides very little boost towards lean mass. You may even just collect more sides than worth it on this cycle.

*Only time Id run test/tren/mast is when I was cutting for a show. I'd go 150 test C
And maybe 350MG tren A, 400-600MG mast P.

But unless your competing to me it's just not worth it running tren, or this kind of cycle.

My good friend and a trainer does this exact cycle for 12 weeks. That is where I cloned it from. I am just starting out so I figured I would just go with something that I already see works and figure ouut what works best for me as time goes on. I think the Mast is really only there to compliment the Tren which is also what I read on this site under the steroid profiles section of Trenbalone Acetate.

 

[iGone]

So bear with me, I'm still relatively new to AAS as a whole and I'm just starting my first cycle here shortly, But I've been researching for nearly 2 years before deciding to hop on.

regardless, what jumps out at me more than anything is the fact that your first cycle you jumped in with three compounds, one being a 19nor which seems incredibly irresponsible as well as shows you're incredibly ignorant to a lot of facets of cycling AAS.

The fact that you said you were thinking less of PCT and more "toning it down" says you really have no idea how a 19nor can or will affect your body both short and long term. Which also tells me that you have zero long term plans for your AAS usage.

Additionally, you literally cloned a cycle from someone who is presumably much more experienced with AAS than you, and probably without consulting him. Because if he was wise and experienced with AAS he'd tell you not to be fucking stupid with your first cycle and just stick to Test.

Not to mention, you can't come up with why your cycle consists of what it does. You're just regurgitating what your trainer does, and that the website says tren and mast can be synergistic.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I know a lot of members here like to cut up but I am trying to learning about this shit and gain some experience. It is interesting to hear what everyone has to say. I am sure none of you were born experts either and had to learn by reading a lot. I am just trying to get some opinions/advice/recommendations.

Silentmon, have you ran a Tren cycle personally? I read that hCG is not necessary and actually counterproductive during this cycle and can actually increase the chances of getting gyno especially sense I am running Test with the Tren. Also, the fellas that I am cloning this cycle from don't take it either.
Also, what do you mean by: "Not to mention, you are running Mast AND a 19nor" ? Are you referring to the Test or the Tren?

The reason for the 8 weeks was to end up cycling again for summer. This would land me on cycling again starting in June for the summer. I have been reading a lot of threads and written articles and it seems like guys run cycles that are extremely long or never even come off. Others never run past 10-12 weeks and then stay off or 10-12 weeks and then go back on. Everything I read whether it be people talking in forums or articles written by "experts" seems to all have different opinions or advice. I can't really get a grasp on what it fact or fiction and who is an actual credible source of knowledge.

Anyone know if there is a doctor that is literally an expert in the field of anabolics that you can consult with? I tried asking my regular PCP but it seems like their knowledge is very basic and limited. Of course they also say "I really don't recommend the use of steroids"

Maybe I just do 10 weeks on and then take the 10 weeks off and that would put me at starting a cycle again on June 14th.

Take the information or leave, that's fine.
No skin off my back.

The HCG is to help prevent testicular atrophy.
Not too sure what you mean by counter productive.
Estrogenic sides?
Yes it does, that's just the cost of doing business.
I also am not sure why its "Not neccessary"
You are keeping your balls producing and preventing Full shutdown, making PCT easier.


I'm referring to the Tren as a 19nor
Very suppressive
Test is just test.

The 8 weeks part.
This is where you completely lose me.
Why the fuck are you going to run Tren again if your still unhealthy.
8 weeks is an ARBITRARY number.
BLOODS/Hematology/Lipid Profile ETC... are fucking science.

Evidence?
How can you get evidence based than that?
you pull a magical number out of your ass and ask me for scientific evidence on why PROOF backed protocols are better than magical numbers that you're using because you want to "Get swole"

If we had doctors that would give us steroid stacks and give us AAS plans...
None of us would be here on Meso.
We learn from eachother.

The most well known one is Amabolic Doc
He does phone consulting as well.
Check out his YouTube channel for a way to contact him.

He will tell you the same thing members here will.
Where do you think I get this Information from.?

Oh well, I tried to help.
Just remember, If I wasnt interested in helping you, I wouldnt have responded.

Take it as you will
Get butt hurt or not, all good.

P.S
I see you ignored the Ester portion of my post.
Good luck with a short PCT while the gear is in your system, I strongly advise you rethink your practices to protect your own health and future.

 

[Tankyouverymuch]

@Silentlemon1011
I am taking the information....lol why do you think I am here and asking?
Look, we all started somewhere and I trusted my buddy when I thought about getting into using AAS. So, why reinvent the wheel right? He has been running cycles for about 8 years now. I didn't know if he breaks it down into a science or even does the "proper way" but he is extremely strong and looks good so I figured he is knowledgeable enough that I can't go wrong. So I asked him to get me started on a beginner cycle which was a weaker form of this same cycle.

Again, I ran the weaker form of this last year at : Test cyp 525mg/wk, Tren A 200mg/wk, Mast p 150mg/wk). Same PCT . This worked awesome! No side effects, everything felt great, looked great, and went smooth. So, I figured bump it up a notch this time around.

The 8 weeks comes from the timing that I wanted to be in the peak of a cycle when I go to the beach this summer (July/August) and I asked him what the minimum time would be to take off and then start again based on what I was running. It sounded a little off so that is why I threw it out there on here.
I didn't ignore the ester part. I understand it is a long lasting ester

SO what are you recommending exactly?
1. I skip the 8 week break and go longer. (obviously I was questioning this to begin with) How long do you normally stay off cycle?
2. I get bloods done. Which is an obvious solution to all matters.
3. "Evidence?" you lost me there. I am not sure what evidence I was asking for other than asking if you ever ran Tren before. Only reason I ask is that a lot of people either seem to hate it or love it and some are extremely scared of it.
4. I would love your suggestion on the PCT I should run. Obviously you are saying to not even start the PCT until days 21-24 from what you wrote. Correct? How much hCG do you recommend during this cycle?

Just give recommendations of what you suggest! Don't just tell me I should not be taken seriously and punch holes in what I posted. lol where is the love like what @Physique Demon had to say. Thank you Physique! I will certainly take your advice because looking good in the summer is like preparing for a show right?

 

[Silentlemon1011]

@Silentlemon1011
I am taking the information....lol why do you think I am here and asking?
Look, we all started somewhere and I trusted my buddy when I thought about getting into using AAS. So, why reinvent the wheel right? He has been running cycles for about 8 years now. I didn't know if he breaks it down into a science or even does the "proper way" but he is extremely strong and looks good so I figured he is knowledgeable enough that I can't go wrong. So I asked him to get me started on a beginner cycle which was a weaker form of this same cycle.

Again, I ran the weaker form of this last year at : Test cyp 525mg/wk, Tren A 200mg/wk, Mast p 150mg/wk). Same PCT . This worked awesome! No side effects, everything felt great, looked great, and went smooth. So, I figured bump it up a notch this time around.

The 8 weeks comes from the timing that I wanted to be in the peak of a cycle when I go to the beach this summer (July/August) and I asked him what the minimum time would be to take off and then start again based on what I was running. It sounded a little off so that is why I threw it out there on here.
I didn't ignore the ester part. I understand it is a long lasting ester

SO what are you recommending exactly?
1. I skip the 8 week break and go longer. (obviously I was questioning this to begin with) How long do you normally stay off cycle?
2. I get bloods done. Which is an obvious solution to all matters.
3. "Evidence?" you lost me there. I am not sure what evidence I was asking for other than asking if you ever ran Tren before. Only reason I ask is that a lot of people either seem to hate it or love it and some are extremely scared of it.
4. I would love your suggestion on the PCT I should run. Obviously you are saying to not even start the PCT until days 21-24 from what you wrote. Correct? How much hCG do you recommend during this cycle?

Just give recommendations of what you suggest! Don't just tell me I should not be taken seriously and punch holes in what I posted. lol where is the love like what @Physique Demon had to say. Thank you Physique! I will certainly take your advice because looking good in the summer is like preparing for a show right?

1.
The only answer is bloods to be honest.
For example, right now on on PCT and PERFECTLY healthy.
I'll still wait another 8 weeks and see where my natural levels are at.
@Human_backhoe had PERFECT Hematology, Lipids, Liver on week 12 of his cycle lol, could realistically blast again.(Hes not going to, he will wait as well.)
Another buddies liver is still shitty from 3 months ago.
It's all going to depend on you, I think it would be irresponsible for me to recomend a "Set time"
the typical rule is time on= Time off with Bloods to prove it.
2. Good.
Time your bloods for 4 weeks after PCT and see where you are at.
3 Evidence, In reference to people talking about different protocols that you mentioned.
Check out fertility treatment for guys on TRT, that will give you a better idea of evidence based AAS planning.

4. 500 Iu 2x a week will be great for you.
Theb blast 5000iu after last pin, this works for ME.
I'll have to ask @The Terminator to jump in for proper HCG protocols.
As for PCT and ester timing, I usually run Cyp.
I finish my last pin on week 12.
The. I switch to prop for 2 weeks
Theb I wait 9 days from last prop pin to PCT
extends my cycle, eliminates my down time between cycle and PCT.
Use science to spend more time on gear, not feelz.

As for the last portion,
I'm a pretty direct guy.
Take my advice or dont, all good.

Also, if you had great results on your last run....
Why not just stick to that protocol?

This is a marathon, not a sprinr


Fucking EDIT!
I should have been more specific about the 5000iu "Blast"
What I meant is... blast 500iu ED for 10 days.
Ensure to stop before starting PCT meds.

5000iu at once would be an awful idea