NEW CYCLE TEST E AND TREN E ADVICE

[vyktor]

Hello, 24 years old here, im planning to do my fourth cycle, been off for 7 months
my last cycle was 16 weeks 500 test and 600 bolde. running hcg all the way and finishing with triptorelin, no nolva or clomid, i felt like recover was very good.

I want to try tren for the first time and i would like to know a good start for tren, i would like to do enanthate, i dont like to pin ed or eod, and i heard that tren e is softer than ace.

You think test e 250mg and tren e 300mg is a good dosage?, i want to keep it as low as possible but effective.

i thought on
12 weeks
125mg test e x2 week
150mg tren e x2 week
(kickstart) 50mg anadrol ed 3-4 weeks
0.5 mg ai eod
500ui hcg x2 week

then test Cyp at 200-250mg with 500ui hcg x2 week until i decide to completly come off (using triptorelin), for sure before september, and then take like 7 months off in the winter like i did this year.

Regards

 

[Monstar]

If you read much about tren you'd have heard that EVERYONE recommends Tren A to a first time user.

1) If you get sides you can lower your dose and drop off completely in a matter of days. Conversely you can start low and taper up and not get a big surprise 5-6 weeks out when enanthate reaches peak blood levels and you have a holy shit tren moment.

2) EOD or even Monday, Wednesday, Friday is fine (basically 1 more pin a week than Enanthate)

3) I don't know what tren e being "softer" than tren a means. A number of people see no difference once adjusting for ester weight. A good amount of people anecdotally report more sides with tren e and not as much kick.

Assuming you haven't bought the gear I'd think on this a bit. If you have bought just cross your fingers and run 400mg of Tren E a week.

 

[Spokeonawheel]

Good advice from @Monstar.
I feel like it is always preferable, when trying a new compound, to run a shorter Ester. Tren can be a beast. Wrecks some people's appetites and sleep.
I've woken up with vomit in my mouth in the middle of the night from acid reflux on a tren cycle. Not my favorite thing. Sometimes the shit is just rough as fuck. Running A rather than E will let you bail out faster if u need to.

Extra pinning ain't so bad.

 

[Spokeonawheel]

Also I assume you are trying to cut on it?
@ 250 test and 300 tren a week?

If u r looking to cut down and let the diet do the work then I think dosing looks good for a first run with tren. May want slight increase if tren is tolerated well (another reason I would suggest Acetate it allows you some more flexibility in establishing an effective dose).

Good Luck bub.

 

[vyktor]

Well i already ordered TREN E, i was pretty sure about this, just wanted to hear some opinions from dosage etc, this video made me choose TREN E

Not cutting, im happy with my physique right now, just want to add some muscle and drop a some fat. i guess for first tren cycle, 300mg is enough, but not sure if should i increase the test.

 

[Monstar]

Haven't watched the video. It lead you down a path more than 95% of experienced users with common sense would have dissuaded you from for all the reasons stated above.

That said no big deal. Roll the dice and see. You are looking to recomp. A good number of people believe lower test minimizes tren sides (some see no difference). Why not hold the test low (right at 250 where you have it) and just use 400mg of tren e. This way you are guaranteed an effective dose but not too much and low test may help with sides. What I wouldn't want to do is spend 6 weeks determining that 300mg isn't enough and was very tolerable for you as with E you won't be able to adjust quickly without a mid cycle front load and I can't think of a worse substance than tren e to pull that trick with and have it backfire into mega sides.

Just because someone makes a YouTube video, don't give credibility with your health. No one here or any other forum would have put you on tren e without experience

 

[Havah]

Well i already ordered TREN E, i was pretty sure about this, just wanted to hear some opinions from dosage etc, this video made me choose TREN E

Not cutting, im happy with my physique right now, just want to add some muscle and drop a some fat. i guess for first tren cycle, 300mg is enough, but not sure if should i increase the test.

Are we seeing the same thing why on earth would you even click on video like this, let alone make a decision

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Tren a piss all over tren e. An effective tren e dosage ime is minimum 600mg per week. Dont listen to this guy who just want to push their homebrew products. A 100000 times better than E on sides on results everywhere. Also your cycle looks more like a cruise o maintain what you already have I guarantee you with 300mg e you won't feel shit even with 300a probably you won't feel much start with acetate 100 mg MWF and if you already have the E you can have it as a base at 300mg. For bulking you need to up the test a little. But I got great gains on just 1ml test e 3 ramping up to 7ml tren a I was able to gain 10kg of muscle and lose fat.

 

[Havah]

People used to say you need at least 600mg primo to see results
Now its 600mg tren e minimum

Gonna be an interesting place to be couple years from now

 

[TRT@40]

I agree with everyone above about using tren a for your 1st tren cycle.

There are a few differences you do need to keep in mind. Because of the heavier weight of the enanthate ester, only about 76% of what you inject is tren(correct me fellas if I am wrong on this number). This means 300mg of tren e equates to 228mg of tren a.

Other point is that tren e take a bit of time to get to peak saturation levels so you have to be disciplined to wait at least 3 weeks to see full effect before you increase your tren dose. Use steroidcalc.com to get rough ideas as to how long a compound will take to reach peak levels. It estimates peak saturation at 3 weeks and about 80% of peak saturation at the end of 2 weeks.
Like you I also did not want to inject EOD for 12+weeks, I just started tren hexa at 250mg/wk. I think if you are going with heavier esters it is smart to start on the lower dosage for a few weeks to feel the effect before considering an increase. The other benefit from enanthate or hexa ester that I am postulating is that because the compound is released a lot more slowly into the body than ace, sides might be lower on tren e or hexa than ace.
Do you have anything at hand to control prolactin? Not that it should be an issue at your lower dose of tren.

My cycle (12-20+weeks if health stays in check)
tren hexa 250mg/wk (at week 4, increase 300mg/wk)
test cyp 420/wk (at week 4, i will drop test to 350mg/wk)
deca 120mg/wk for joint relief
hgh 4iu/day

 

[TRT@40]

For bulking you need to up the test a little. But I got great gains on just 1ml test e 3 ramping up to 7ml tren a I was able to gain 10kg of muscle and lose fat.

What exactly was this bulking cycle that gave you 10kg/22lbs of muscle and lost fat? Those are big gains while losing fat!
I am interested in compound dosage and duration.
700mg/wk of tren a
1ml of test -is this 250mg/wk?
what other compound?

 

[LeoTC]

Well i already ordered TREN E, i was pretty sure about this, just wanted to hear some opinions from dosage etc, this video made me choose TREN E

Not cutting, im happy with my physique right now, just want to add some muscle and drop a some fat. i guess for first tren cycle, 300mg is enough, but not sure if should i increase the test.

Never trust a dude that says 'Guys' 30 times in two minutes.

 

[vyktor]

Tren a piss all over tren e. An effective tren e dosage ime is minimum 600mg per week.

Holy shit, i ran only test 500, getting very good results, are u telling me that tren e 300mg wont be effective?

 

[Morefyah]

Holy shit, i ran only test 500, getting very good results, are u telling me that tren e 300mg wont be effective?

Of course it will be effective! @AlwaysHungry is a gram of test gram of tren kinda guy. He thinks if he’s not seeing anything at 500mg test @500mg tren then nobody will and it’s a waste of time. Lol

 

[balco]

Well i already ordered TREN E, i was pretty sure about this, just wanted to hear some opinions from dosage etc, this video made me choose TREN E

Not cutting, im happy with my physique right now, just want to add some muscle and drop a some fat. i guess for first tren cycle, 300mg is enough, but not sure if should i increase the test.

That guy is so fucking annoying. His logic seems sound though, I've never had good luck with tren a. I bought 40mL of tren a, I used around an mL and never tried it again because the psychological sides were so bad for me.

 

[Test_Subject]

I used tren e at 400mg for my first run and I'm still employed, married and out of jail.

Unless you're a mental trainwreck to start with, low to moderately dosed tren isn't going to turn you into a murderous lunatic. I feel like the tren horror stories that you hear are from people who are fucked in the first place.

I feel very alpha on 600mg+ but anger has never been an issue. Sleep and sweatiness are another matter.

 

[Turbo charged]

The worst part of tren is going off. After a few weeks feel like you got hit with a bat. And you start shrinking every time you look in the mirror.

 

[TRT@40]

The worst part of tren is going off. After a few weeks feel like you got hit with a bat. And you start shrinking every time you look in the mirror.

Hi @Turbo charged, I wondering good percentage of gains can be maintained with cruise, after a tren cycle, consisting of TRT test dose of 250mg/wk along with say 400-600mg/wk of primo e and 4-5iu/day of hgh.
What are your thoughts on this?

 

[Turbo charged]

I dont mess with tren because of the of this. My buddy who lives on the stuff 3 times a year. When he goes off he blasts hgh 3 times per day 3iu a shot and 200 test. Its slows the loses down till he goes back on. It's a hard hit when you go off. I wouldn't use the primo I would give your body a break. I am a primo and deca guy and when I go off I take 4iu of gh one shot and 200 test and maintain very well. He loves his tren he says once you do tren nothing compares. I do see the big gains he makes but you cant live on the shit. He always has a problem with his dick when he goes off and eats viagra when he is off. But he has been on tren for 5 years on and off. You cant just keep cruising and expect to stay healthy. Trt and hgh is fine but cruising on aas is not the way to stay healthy.

 

[Savagesteve]

Hello, 24 years old here, im planning to do my fourth cycle, been off for 7 months
my last cycle was 16 weeks 500 test and 600 bolde. running hcg all the way and finishing with triptorelin, no nolva or clomid, i felt like recover was very good.

I want to try tren for the first time and i would like to know a good start for tren, i would like to do enanthate, i dont like to pin ed or eod, and i heard that tren e is softer than ace.

You think test e 250mg and tren e 300mg is a good dosage?, i want to keep it as low as possible but effective.

i thought on
12 weeks
125mg test e x2 week
150mg tren e x2 week
(kickstart) 50mg anadrol ed 3-4 weeks
0.5 mg ai eod
500ui hcg x2 week

then test Cyp at 200-250mg with 500ui hcg x2 week until i decide to completly come off (using triptorelin), for sure before september, and then take like 7 months off in the winter like i did this year.

Regards

Test and tren dosages seem fine to me. I also didn’t want to run tren ace for the first run so I ran e....I’m on week 11/12. I can see where guys say to run ace as it clears the system faster if you get unwanted severe sides. I am prescribed medicine for sleep, nightmares, among other things and without that I would’ve bailed at about week 6-7. I started week 1-2 at 125mg per week and slowly tapered up to like 375mg where I’ve been for the last 7-8 weeks. Shit also fucked with me mentally after week 8-9 and I wouldn’t run it past week 10 again. With all that being said...the gains have been fucking amazing and I lost a substantial amount of fat as well.