New Guy on TRT with cycle questions

[MNIRON]

Stats: 6' 205lb age 42
Experience Weights: Gym Rat for 10 years plus but not BB
AAS: 20 years ago DBOL young and dumb
Diet: 225 gram protein day cals 2800
Goals: Slow Build

High Level for Quick Read:
Along with my 140mg Test cyp wk I would like to run Primo 100 10ml (2) vials 100mg M,W,F so 300mg wk for for 6 weeks, then switch to Mast for 100 10ml (2) vials 50mg M,W,F so 150mg wk for 12 weeks. Keep repeating. Yes partly due to sheer expense of Primo and I am not in a hurry.


Low Level for Back Story Longer Read:
I have been on Test CYP 140mg EW for 6 months now. I get tested every 3 months by legal docs. I feel good on that dose. Bloods is Test 800+ EST 36 and holding

I have been lurking without an account and have read a lot. Research done but have not come across this one. I am not going to BB compete so this is recreational. But there is a small difference here. My post is not about wanting to put on 20+ lbs in 6 weeks blah blah. I am looking for the long haul. 2-3 years. Slow and grow. I am doing HST as I don't care to be the strong guy in the gym or care about a 400 lb bench. I do slow controlled reps with slow negatives flexing. I am very interested in hypertrophy. I know lots of guys say lift big to get big. Get that, but I have had a back surgery in my past and am mindful of my joints and want to walk in 10 years without pain or a knee replacement. Some of the younger guys maybe rolling their eyes. Believe me those mornings of stiffness and what the hell statements are coming. See why I want slow and grow?

I don't want to increase Test at this time to comply with docs. Yes I know about a blast and drop, but I feel good on this dose. But I have seen a lot of benefits with Mast and Primo. I am on TRT for life. I would like to run Primo 100 10ml (2) vials 100mg M,W,F so 300mg wk for for 6 weeks, then switch to Mast for 100 10ml (2) vials 50mg M,W,F so 150mg wk for 12 weeks. Keep repeating. Yes partly due to sheer expense of Primo. Don't want to run concurrent cause of DHT.

Again I am in no hurry and it it for the long haul. So willing for lower dosage but adding in the time. Thoughts?

 

[Dr JIM]

Stats: 6' 205lb age 42
Experience Weights: Gym Rat for 10 years plus but not BB
AAS: 20 years ago DBOL young and dumb
Diet: 225 gram protein day cals 2800
Goals: Slow Build

1)High Level for Quick Read:
Along with my 140mg Test cyp wk I would like to run Primo 100 10ml (2) vials 100mg M,W,F so 300mg wk for for 6 weeks, then switch to Mast for 100 10ml (2) vials 50mg M,W,F so 150mg wk for 12 weeks. Keep repeating. Yes partly due to sheer expense of Primo and I am not in a hurry.


2) Low Level for Back Story Longer Read:
I have been on Test CYP 140mg EW for 6 months now. I get tested every 3 months by legal docs. I feel good on that dose. Bloods is Test 800+ EST 36 and holding

3) I am looking for the long haul. 2-3 years. Slow and grow.

4) but I have had a back surgery in my past and am mindful of my joints and want to walk in 10 years without pain or a knee replacement. .

5) Believe me those mornings of stiffness and what the hell statements are coming. See why I want slow and grow?

6) I don't want to increase Test at this time to comply with docs.
7) Don't want to run concurrent cause of DHT.

1) If your intention is to STAY ON either Primo or Masteron FOR LIFE, it's not a good idea bc for whatever reason or by whatever mechanism the anabolic benefits seem to wane over the long haul, and by that I mean more than 10 to 14 weeks IME

2) Thats GTG depending upon your TT level, try to ensure the peak TT ( obtained after a last pin injection interval of 30-36 hours) remains close to physiologic as in below 2K ng/dl


3) Believe it or NOT that's the correct way to cycle for more enduring benefits. Such that an increase LBM of bt 2-4 pounds PER MONTH is considered "optimal".

Increases in TBW that occurs in a more expeditious manner, enhance the likelihood either FAT, WATER or both are responsible for said "gains".

4) SMART

5) Oh yea and almost every pro BB will mimic your experience IF they are honest with themselves ESPECIALLY when HEAVY LIFTING is a part of their daily exercise routine!

6) SMART again bc he would be foolish to prescribe TT knowing you are using other AAS!
KEEP YOUR TRT doc separate!!!

7) NOT sure what the concern or issue is here?

jim

 

[MNIRON]

@Dr JIM
First thanks for taking the time replying. I have read and learned a lot from your posts.

1. To clarify your point I should consider cycling for 10-14 weeks and put in a break? How long do you suggest before another cycle? I was thinking long term with a lower dose to build up. But if I am hearing correctly that does not produce the best anabolic effect. Looking at my dose targets should I up those since it will be for a targeted time? Or with the 140mg ewk of TRT should I keep them as stated?

7. I have read the bro science that if I stacked masterone and Primo since they were so closely aligned in their outcomes any sides like hair loss could be amplified. I also understand it may not affect me unless I was pre-determined to have those gene traits. Plus if my body reacts strangely or I have a side, with two stacked together would be harder to figure out which one was guilty. So I decided to run them in sequence to avoid that and second to see which one I feel better on and has the best outcome.

 

[MNIRON]

@Dr JIM any replies?

 

[Big_paul]

You have a lot of reading to do. Welcome to Mesorx.