New member looking for insight

[Grab Bag]

Sorry my words get jumbled sometimes, yeah I was thinking of starting at 200-250 and when I get it dialed in jump it up to do a blast and cruise instead of PCT since I'm on TRT but all that would be after a 1st cycle and I get familiar with everything. Then when comfortable introduce Anavar

Would recommend you don’t start at 200-250. That’s not a normal trt dose. Start at 150, wait to stabilize, pull bloods, and then adjust as needed. This would be your safest path from a health standpoint.

Unless you actually want to blast, in which case do what you want.

Why are you wanting to add anavar to your trt?

Again, it sounds like you need to decide if you are doing medically sound trt, or wanting to live a B+C lifestyle.

 

[bigtdawgwassupbro]

FIRST THINGS FIRST you said you felt great at first then bad which my first thought would be "it raised his estrogen with the T" get that checked..
get all hormones not just testosterone tested, hold off on taking external test until you make sure your TSH and prolactin are in good standing. If your prolactin is high go get a mri on your brain for a possible pituitary tumor and it could just take some caber and it would balance hormones out (raising T lowering E if its high) and bring sex drive back..along with t levels..most guys will probably tell you "Hell yeah! go for the T now your levels are low"..which is likely what will happen but dont jump the gun when it might just take a pill like caber or some thyroid meds..only mentioning all these other possibilities because you inferred you only had your T tested.. and last thing..if your wife is getting impatient that sucks its not your fault this is happening so i would sit down with her and have this conversation..but first things first get get a full hormone panel..and take it step by step..your not alone..and just remember when your libido does come back your wife will forget this even happened probably she'll be so satisfied..everyone loves a comeback story.

 

[Domestic Terrorz]

Loving and attraction is different but lets not split hairs. I was married and wasn't attracted to her anymore, and had sex with her 3-4x over 8 years. After the divorce, screwed over 200 women within a few years. Regular girlfriends couldn't keep up with my sex drive. Was just making sure that wasn't your issue.

Understandable

 

[RThoads]

God damn that was a long post. I think that one would have made @RThoads proud if he didn't have me blocked. LOL

I am proud of you lol

seriously, was good info and helpful details for the new guy.

I do not have you blocked bro, you're a good member here and I appreciate you (after all, we need to keep pressure on sources to ensure quality; what else can we do? not like we can file some complaint with a regulatory agencies).

You cannot see me behind the keyboard or my mood (text misses a lot of nonverbal communication) -- I have to pay my rent and put food on the table for a family (after some major health and others set-backs some years ago, my sole source of income is from consultant and PR work for some sources) -- but I am just an old guy that loved lifting and the gym life like everyone else here.
so just know that sometimes you may think I am annoyed or debating with too much info (keep in mind, sometimes, my most critical audience may be those who monitor if I am worth keeping on for work), but maybe, on a personal level, I am actually supportive and even applaud your efforts

All I can say is that I respect you and hope you please keep up the good work.

 

[MFAAS]

The excellent post by @MadBret covered everything I would say about TRT.

All I will add is to check out my thread on endocrine disruptors. It may enlighten you on why Test levels and endocrine issues are essentially the norm now: Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDCs), Pollution, Testosterone Levels, Fertility, and the Size of yo' DICK....

 

[Norse13]

A lot of brilliant posts here. As pointed out, 200-250 isn't trt and may not be healthy in the very long run. Start off a bit lower, although that's a bit hypocritical, my trt+ is 210mg/week.

No need for PCT. You do that after a cycle, or when you decide to stop trt, to help your body start producing testosterone again. More or less successful. Usually less successful when you're 40+. Forget about that.

Go and do a broad blood panel to also look for other anomalies. You could have some underlying unusual issue that nobody on the internet can detect or diagnose for you.

As for libido, in my early 40s my libido slowly crashed to the point where I was hardly ever interested in sex. And my wife is hot af, definitely not because of her. I got on the home made trt program, and I literally fuck her every day at least once, still do, except if I'm away for work etc. Worked wonders in our marriage, she's happy and so am I.

Forget about the anavar, get at least a few months on home made trt first and see how you feel. Get that stabilised and you can have a think about whether to add more steroids to build more muscle. No rush.

UGL test is dirt cheap, probably cost less than your milk and cereals.

If you do decide to start trt, this is pretty much for life, there's no turning back. If you stop, your test production is likely to be a lot less than today. If you go for a week holiday, no problem. Go for 2 weeks holiday? Not ideal but not really a big problem. 3 weeks holiday? Either bring gear with you, buy where you go, or feel shitty towards the end.

Marriage advice: get your wife onboard and accept your program, don't hide it from her.

 

[MFAAS]

Forget about the anavar, get at least a few months on home made trt first and see how you feel. Get that stabilised and you can have a think about whether to add more steroids to build more muscle. No rush.

Marriage advice: get your wife onboard and accept your program, don't hide it from her.

I must echo these things.

OP you are going to get significant gains from Trt alone. Ifnyou exercise and go on TRT, then ypu will gain many pounds of muscle and lose fat. Don't even think about adding ANY other anabolics until you've been STABLE on TRT for a year. That means if it takes 4 or 5 months for you to get your protocol dialed in, then it is 16-17 months before you consider any steroids.

If you do steroids and your strength goes up too fast you can tear a muscle tendon ligament. I have known too many guys who fucked themselves up for life because they hopped on gear when their tissues weren't used to lifting so they snapped. Torn rotator cuffs, torn ACL or other knee issues. Ton of stuff. Even if you used to lift, you are older now and totally detrained. I would recommend you get a personal trainer to teach you proper lifting form and technique.

 

[Domestic Terrorz]

A lot of brilliant posts here. As pointed out, 200-250 isn't trt and may not be healthy in the very long run. Start off a bit lower, although that's a bit hypocritical, my trt+ is 210mg/week.

No need for PCT. You do that after a cycle, or when you decide to stop trt, to help your body start producing testosterone again. More or less successful. Usually less successful when you're 40+. Forget about that.

Go and do a broad blood panel to also look for other anomalies. You could have some underlying unusual issue that nobody on the internet can detect or diagnose for you.

As for libido, in my early 40s my libido slowly crashed to the point where I was hardly ever interested in sex. And my wife is hot af, definitely not because of her. I got on the home made trt program, and I literally fuck her every day at least once, still do, except if I'm away for work etc. Worked wonders in our marriage, she's happy and so am I.

Forget about the anavar, get at least a few months on home made trt first and see how you feel. Get that stabilised and you can have a think about whether to add more steroids to build more muscle. No rush.

UGL test is dirt cheap, probably cost less than your milk and cereals.

If you do decide to start trt, this is pretty much for life, there's no turning back. If you stop, your test production is likely to be a lot less than today. If you go for a week holiday, no problem. Go for 2 weeks holiday? Not ideal but not really a big problem. 3 weeks holiday? Either bring gear with you, buy where you go, or feel shitty towards the end.

Marriage advice: get your wife onboard and accept your program, don't hide it from her.

Sound advice, thank you for your input

 

[EJ1739]

Hello everyone, as the title says I am a new member. I am hoping with a little background of myself and situation, I can get some welcoming advice.
I turned 40 not too long ago, and have been having problems for maybe 5 years.
1. Little energy lethargic
2. No libido
3. Sense of confusion at times
4. Lack of sleep
5. Hot flashes
6. Gained 40 lbs.
7 ED etc.
I went to a Dr. (family doc) to test my testosterone levels. He said my testosterone was fine it tested upper 200's. I knew something was wrong and got a second opinion. Went to a endo, he tested my levels and this time it read 392. He put me on HRT pellets. Given that it took about 8 days to feel the effects, I felt great. It's been nearing the 2nd month and I feel back to where I started. The Dr. has said that he doesn't do injections. Like being said between doing tests and 1 treatment, I have spent near $1,000 so far. My wife has lost patience with me and doesn't seem to understand that I have an issue.
I am truely desperate, so much that I almost sent $300 to some stranger on Telegram by word of mouth from someone who messaged me on reddit. (Don't worry, I didn't follow through.)
I luckily found this forum and have the hope of this community to steer me in the right direction.
My plan is to do it myself, my ultimate goal is to be back to when I was young and have sex 3 to 4 times a day and feel great again. I eventually want to bump it up lose weight and get back in shape. I have already started eating healthier and plan on working out y going to the gym. I just don't have the sources to start as me being an introvert and am all new to this. I am open to all advice.
Thank you for taking the time out to read this

I am not a Dr but from my experience I think the following would be what I would do in your situation with my own knowledge of 10+ years. I think their will be a few people who agree with this, but I am open to anyone who opposes this. This is just my logical opinion and again open to a differing opinion. (Only people who will respectfully and maturely oppose though, none of these idiots who just start gobbing off.)

I would look to get test Cypionate - the longest lasting test and jab 150-200mgs once per week. 200mgs is just slightly above the TRT dose. Also, Viagra is a god send!

Very small amounts of an anti oestrogen every other day or every 3rd day. However, if you are not getting the desired result, I would slowly lower the amount of anti oestrogen until you get the desired result. As the anti-e being too high can stop sex drive etc. So maybe half the tabs or even quarter them.

If you are worried about hair I would consider either Finasteride or if you're extra sensitive to hair loss Dutasteride. However, these can lower your libido and erection quality, but it's 99.9% of the time reversible once you stop taking it, usually the test overrides this so you should be fine. I have no issues at all. If you are bald already don't even consider these.

Basically, play about with the anti-e and hair loss products until you find the desired result. However, it can take a week or two to get libido increase if you are taking too much anti-e, it doesn't just change over night. Patience is the way foreword.

If the first test you buy doesn't work maybe try another brand as they are all under dosed apart from legit TRT from the Drs. Always get your bloods done every 6 moths if possible. I live in the UK so everything is covered under the NHS even the TRT. I can get bloods done whenever I want for free.

I would strongly consider watching 'More Plates More Dates' on YouTube, he is a Canadian genius and is probably more qualified than most Drs about everything to do with hormones and steroids.

Oh and if you're under eating this can have a neggy response to sex drive. Good quality diet is key, but I for some reason get harder erections when I eat a big meal or loads of carbs. Stress is also a massive factor.

Good luck and let me know if anything works and if anything has improved.

 

[Cherokee]

I am not a Dr but from my experience I think the following would be what I would do in your situation with my own knowledge of 10+ years. I think their will be a few people who agree with this, but I am open to anyone who opposes this. This is just my logical opinion and again open to a differing opinion. (Only people who will respectfully and maturely oppose though, none of these idiots who just start gobbing off.)

I would look to get test Cypionate - the longest lasting test and jab 150-200mgs

Test Cypionate is not the longest lasting test

once per week. 200mgs is just slightly above the TRT dose. Also, Viagra is a god send!

Very small amounts of an anti oestrogen every other day or every 3rd day. However, if you are not getting the desired result, I would slowly lower the amount of anti oestrogen until you get the desired result. As the anti-e being too high can stop sex drive etc. So maybe half the tabs or even quarter them.

If you are worried about hair I would consider either Finasteride or if you're extra sensitive to hair loss Dutasteride. However, these can lower your libido and erection quality, but it's 99.9% of the time reversible once you stop taking it, usually the test overrides this so you should be fine. I have no issues at all. If you are bald already don't even consider these.

Basically, play about with the anti-e and hair loss products until you find the desired result. However, it can take a week or two to get libido increase if you are taking too much anti-e, it doesn't just change over night. Patience is the way foreword.

If the first test you buy doesn't work maybe try another brand as they are all under dosed apart from legit TRT from the Drs. Always get your bloods done every 6 moths if possible. I live in the UK so everything is covered under the NHS even the TRT. I can get bloods done whenever I want for free.

I would strongly consider watching 'More Plates More Dates' on YouTube, he is a Canadian genius and is probably more qualified than most Drs about everything to do with hormones and steroids.

Good luck!

 

[EJ1739]

Loving and attraction is different but lets not split hairs. I was married and wasn't attracted to her anymore, and had sex with her 3-4x over 8 years. After the divorce, screwed over 200 women within a few years. Regular girlfriends couldn't keep up with my sex drive. Was just making sure that wasn't your issue.

Hahaha love it! Did Tren play apart in those 200 women? I went through about 100 women in about a 2-3 year period and tren was probably the reason for this hahaha...

 

[EJ1739]

Test Cypionate is not the longest lasting test

Might I add Cypionate being the most likely legit underground lab test that you can get, as I know a lot of the longer ones are usually guff

 

[Cherokee]

Might I add Cypionate being the most likely legit underground lab test that you can get, as I know a lot of the longer ones are usually guff

Test u is readily available.

 

[EJ1739]

Absolute last and worst case scenario which I wouldn't recommend, is if you have tried everything possible and just want to know if you can get horny... I would in your situation do 200mgs of test and 200mgs of Trenbolone for 3-4 weeks MAXIMUM! This will turn you hypersexual and will let you know if you are still working. If this doesn't work, then you know there will be another underlying issue. However, avoid Tren as this is not good long term and has a lot of side effects and will fuck you mentally

 

[hometeam]

Hahaha love it! Did Tren play apart in those 200 women? I went through about 100 women in about a 2-3 year period and tren was probably the reason for this hahaha...

I wasn't on tren. I actually wasn't on anything. But I had taken tren in the past and have read that it can make permanent changes in the brain. But also I was fresh meat on Tinder and free to screw all the sluts on there.