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Been reading, researching, and debating pushing forward with AAS and Peptides. For now, I will continue that plan - keep my mouth shut, and absorb as much as possible. I appreciate what this community offers, and look forward to the future.
 
Been reading, researching, and debating pushing forward with AAS and Peptides. For now, I will continue that plan - keep my mouth shut, and absorb as much as possible. I appreciate what this community offers, and look forward to the future.
How old are you?

What's your height, weight, bodyfat %

What does your training log look like

What's your food plan, and do you stick to it?
 
How old are you?

What's your height, weight, bodyfat %

What does your training log look like

What's your food plan, and do you stick to it?
39M
5'8'', 158lbs, 30" waist

(6 months ago - 200 lbs)

Body Fat - haven't completed anything moderately accurate

Training log is about to change, based on new goals:

Previous: 45min (cardio daily (run/row) this would typically split in two events throughout the day , Tonal - (A mix of pre loaded workout plans focused on weight loss - resistant training). Cardio Daily 95% time, Tonal 6 days a week.

New Plan: 10-15 minutes of cardio, Resistant Training focused on individual muscles group daily (Arm, Chest, Back, Shoulders, Legs, Core) whole body through 6 days + some core daily. Plan 6 days a week.

Previous Diet: Keto Diet -1800 cal, 140g Fat, 115g Protien, <25g of Carbs
(Cheat meal (Dinner) every other week, otherwise I typically ran in Ketosis most of the time)

New Diet (No Keto): 2600 cal, 160g protein, 70g fat, 330g carb
Planning on cheat meal of Dinner Once per week.

Lost Weight, looking to build muscle at this point.

On "TRT"- Test Cyp at 180mg/week.
Free Test Prior to starting: 2 readings a month apart: 212, 248
Last Free Test 4months on: 815
 
It's awesome that you came here to learn

5'8'', 158lbs, 30" waist

(6 months ago - 200 lbs)
Nice work. That has to feel good

Body Fat - haven't completed anything moderately accurate
There really isn't an accurate test... go by looks. Shoulder veins usually show up around 20%, chest veins at about 12%, ab veins at 10%.


This is where the tough love starts:

debating pushing forward with AAS

New Plan: 10-15 minutes of cardio, Resistant Training focused on individual muscles group daily

If you are just now moving from a Tonal machine to ..... (I'm guessing weightlifting) as resistance training, there is no need or benefit to considering anabolic steroids.

Get those beginner gains. Nail down your food plan and stick to it. Sleep as much as possible.

I saw someone use this analogy earlier today: Don't try to use racing fuel before you've built a race car.

To keep the car analogy going, right now we are a Honda Civic, or to be very honest.... wheelbarrow ( tonal..... ) that just got its rusted floorboards replaced (weight loss). There is a long way to go before it's a racecar that needs racing fuel.

Previous: 45min (cardio daily
New Plan: 10-15 minutes of cardio

Dropping your cardio is probably the worst thing you could do. Especially if you have the eventual goal of using anabolics in the future. Do 35 min steady state cardio at 70% of your max heart rate every day. Split it from your training if possible. I roll my ass out of bed, piss, chug water, walk directly to the treadmill and turn it on as soon as my foot hits it. Put youtube on tv for 35 min. 3.8mph with no incline does it of for me. Prioritize this.

(Arm, Chest, Back, Shoulders, Legs, Core) whole body through 6 days + some core daily. Plan 6 days a week.

Work with a coach or trainer if you can. If not, this is where you should first spend your curious energies. Binge workout content on youtube. Not everyone is correct. Actually most aren't. A lot have at least one right thing to say. Sometimes it's just as beneficial to hear the bad advice as it is to hear the good advice. Your understanding of it will mature. After a few months you will here things that fist sounded like gospel, and second guess them. This phase is a years long process. The most critical component here is building training experience and progression. Without this, anabolic steroids are absolutely pointless.

New Diet (No Keto): 2600 cal,

I would not get overzealous with a surplus. Especially as you start. Your energy demands most likely aren't going to be that far above maintenance for a good while. There is no point in eating calories simply for the sake of eating calories. If a few months into it, you feel like you lost a little big of recovery points... increase the calories a SMALL amount. Like 150. Go by both the scale and the mirror. If the scale says you are gaining 1.5 pounds a week, but your muscles only look more smoothed over.... you are overeating for what you are doing. You don't have to "bulk" to gain muscle. Especially at where you are right now. Spend your fat budget on healthy fats. Be picky with where your fats come from. Eat between 50-70 grams from sources like walnuts, hemp seeds, big butts, and include a fish oil supplement. Cholesterol is going to be very important if you keep an eventual goal of using anaobolics.

on cheat meal of Dinner Once per week.

Cheat meal is out. Think of it as calorie cycling. Plan your high calorie meal for a day when your training demands a little more for recovery.

ps. weigh your food if you don't already. Get a food scale. Use an app to track your daily intake. I like one called MyNetDiary. It will calculate your goal macros for you, and it automatically imports food nutrition data when you scan the barcode with your phone. All you have to do is tell it how many grams of each food you consumed.
 
I am pretty amazed that you took the time to get this detailed in your reply that is outstanding, and shows your passion, and makes me appreciate this community even more.

I am not new to working out/dieting/lifting etc….
Just getting back into after 4 kids and establishing my career.

I feel like I got to skinny, don’t get me wrong I appreciate my body and muscle tone is great although small, I have abs and definition but I feel skinny and honestly that is based more on the number on the scale than anything else.

I like your Cardio plan, because honestly I miss it and it made me feel better than anything else. (And honestly it is probably the best thing for me than anything else). I will amp that back up.

I hear you on reducing the calories, and will plan to
cut it back. Again, I think I am chasing a number on the scale more than anything else. Plus it has been fucking hard eating this much food in the proper macros. Honestly this for me, has been harder than losing the weight. My jaw hurts, and I am tired of eating all the damn time.


I have been weighing my food and counting macros since I started this new (recent) journey. I can try to plan it like you mentioned for the cheat day/meal. But with my family and life it will be difficult my wife has been working out with me and we treat that meal as almost our date night. I don’t gorge and/or go in abundance for this meal not a free for all- bust just eat a fatty juicy (shit for your health) meal that tastes delicious. (Granted half the time I feel like shit later on that evening or next day). For now, since I have been consistent I am going to keep with my current plan,

Thanks for reasoning and giving me some insight. At the end of the day, I look better than I have in 10-15 years. Likely a midlife crisis, but honestly probably the best to have. This initiated as my oldest 13year old boy became more physically active and bigger - and I told him at the beginning of the year - “ that my new goal is to be stronger, faster, and biggger then he is for as long as possible”. This has created a better bond between us and we are working out together. ( I probably won’t outshine him for as long as I truly desire but if he is improving and getting bigger,stronger, faster - I have done my job).

I can hold off pushing farther down the AAS route for now. I am already cheating with the “TRT” at 180mg/week. but honestly I haven’t felt this good in a long time. I think that feeling left me with the desire to feel more.

With proper reflection, I think I am chasing a high/feeling> looks/body mass.

I am not a body builder, and honestly not trying to impress any one other than my son (if I am going to be honest). I have no reason to put on weight I can slow it down.
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I agree with 95% of what you laid down, but to assume the tonal is below par for lifting and gaining muscle mass. I don’t agree with at all nor believe it is a rookie move……one can gain muscle and physique with the simplest weights and even body weight itself. (Granted I will give you it is abysmal for legs). I am not trying to become Mr. Olympia. But lifting and pushing yourself with whatever one has present - weights, body mass, random objects you have- will work; as long as proper form/technique, stress those muscle groups, breathe, rest, etc. You can still get gains.

**Not trying to be a dick but this wouldn’t be a great forum if I didn’t disagree with you somewhere

But honestly, thanks for the input and taking the time to put so much feedback into an introductory post.
 
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