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[Dial It In]

MCT in and of itself is naturally sterile as bacteria cannot grow in it. So what's the point of fancy high tech MCT? I don't get it. Food grade MCT should be totally fine as a carrier no BA/BB needed or am I missing something?

They are similar in profile but the purity is different. The higher grade doesn’t interfere with active ingredients. To what degree, not sure. But Pench is willing to give it a go and it can’t hurt to have a higher quality. I dont believe he is going to add cost either possibly. Just advancing the UG

 

[ZaddyZonar]

They are similar in profile but the purity is different. The higher grade doesn’t interfere with active ingredients. To what degree, not sure. But Pench is willing to give it a go and it can’t hurt to have a higher quality. I dont believe he is going to add cost either possibly. Just advancing the UG

Even if there’s a $1-2 increase, his prices are still competitive for the quality he is putting out.

MCT or MiG, I’m sticking around.

 

[Photon]

MCT in and of itself is naturally sterile as bacteria cannot grow in it. So what's the point of fancy high tech MCT? I don't get it. Food grade MCT should be totally fine as a carrier no BA/BB needed or am I missing something?

The purpose of MCT is not to keep it sterile. That's what b.a and filtering is for. Just an example but oil is oil, would you rather use good quality pharma grade oil or rancid oil? High quality oils are good enough for IV, food grade oil? No

 

[Methyl Mike]

The purpose of MCT is not to keep it sterile. That's what b.a is for. Just an example but oil is oil, would you rather use good quality pharma grade oil or rancid oil? High quality oils are good enough for IV, food grade oil? No

My point is that b.a. is pointless with MCT as it's totally sterile naturally. Bacteria cannot grow in MCT. So, if brewing, no need to add preservatives. At least that's my rudimentary understanding.

 

[crispybacon!]

MCT in and of itself is naturally sterile as bacteria cannot grow in it. So what's the point of fancy high tech MCT? I don't get it. Food grade MCT should be totally fine as a carrier no BA/BB needed or am I missing something?

I would google “difference between MiG 812 and regular MCT”.

Key takeaway- For compounding medications (like testosterone injections) or products needing consistent, safe, and stable carriers, Miglyol 812, is the superior choice due to its stringent pharmaceutical standards, while regular MCTs are best for general dietary energy.

 

[Dial It In]

My point is that b.a. is pointless with MCT as it's totally sterile naturally. Bacteria cannot grow in MCT. So, if brewing, no need to add preservatives. At least that's my rudimentary understanding.

Big dog no offense but if the source wants to use a higher quality oil then why should we concern ourselves with it and question the decision?

 

[Tk1000]

The purpose of MCT is not to keep it sterile. That's what b.a and filtering is for. Just an example but oil is oil, would you rather use good quality pharma grade oil or rancid oil? High quality oils are good enough for IV, food grade oil? No

If the MCT being used meets the specifications of miglyol812 is the MCT functionally equivalent? What really differentiates the final product? Compliance/certification I assume or am I missing something?

 

[AllGoodThings]

My point is that b.a. is pointless with MCT as it's totally sterile naturally. Bacteria cannot grow in MCT. So, if brewing, no need to add preservatives. At least that's my rudimentary understanding.

From my understanding, MCT itself does inhibit bacterial growth, however it is not guaranteed to suppress it entirely. If bacteria is introduced to the vial through a lack of proper aseptic technique when piercing the stopper, there is a chance, albeit a small one, that bacteria could grow. This is especially true if any residual or introduced moisture makes its way into the vial. We all know how serious infections are, and I think adding BA to further insure against bacterial growth is a no brainer. As for higher quality/purity, pharmaceutical grade oil vs food grade, again, better is better, and if this is coming at a zero to negligible price difference, why not? Let's stack everything in our favor that we have control over.

 

[crispybacon!]

My point is that b.a. is pointless with MCT as it's totally sterile naturally. Bacteria cannot grow in MCT. So, if brewing, no need to add preservatives. At least that's my rudimentary understanding.

Can you please start researching some of these claims before posting them here. MCT oil is not inherently sterile, and there are various grades.

 

[The Answ3r]

First of all, much appreciated everyone's words, I'm overwhelmed by it.

@The Answ3r Solid questions my man, let us address them. So I sifted through the Net high and low, checked out some competitors pricing if it would come close to what I had in mind.

By competitors not folks from here as most I'm friends with here

1 online competitor came close to my thoughts at $57 until you optioned domestic then bumped up to mid $80's.

With that said, my thoughts were 10MLs for $60 plus the ship, keep in mind though as always, we will test for purity and also Hplc target. I was thinking the order quantity be around 5 count but willing to hear suggestions on it as well.


EDIT: THE DOSE 50mg/ml

$60 sounds like a very solid price, and the 5-vial limit makes perfect sense too. It prevents one guy from clearing the shelf and also gives people like me a chance to try it for the first time without going all-in. Hopefully next year I’ll be able to grab some and actually run it. I keep hearing nothing but great things about Ment, even though on paper it looks absolutely savage.

 

[bigdaddyandfriends]

So far, I have a rougher time on dbol than ment- which contradicts everything I’ve read.
I’m careful with these high aromatizing compounds- I haven’t had to run an AI in years and would like to keep it that way.

I’m having a little bit of water retention on 25mg ED of ment. Not a lot, but I see it on my abs and chest. I’ve noticed no other negative sides.

When I take dbol I run it at 50mg ED. I know to take a few days off of it once my nips get a little sore. Over time I’ve learned dbol works good for me 5 days on 2 days off.

Again, it needs to be said that it’s my first run on ment. If I upped the dose from 25mg to 50mg a day, maybe then I would see sides…. I don’t know.

Wise to advance MENT doses slowly, doubling them like you say is an invitation to unwanted estrogenic effects - major water retention, high blood pressure, gyno, etc.

25mg/day MENT ~ 1gm test per week
50mg/day MENT ~ 2gm test per week

I don't think many would jump from 1gm > 2gm test per week... and those conversion values are very conservative, in the major pellet study just 1.6mg/day - which was the max studied dose - had more lean body mass gain compared with those on 200mg/wk test C, a fairly high TRT (if not bodybuilding) dose.

MENT is a strong progestin too, more so than tren, in bioassays it activates the PR about as much as progesterone itself. So anticipate issues from that as doses escalate.

I have slowly increased MENT up to 7.5mg/day and need a good bit of aromasin with that, even with low TRT test @ 12mg/day. And that's with some masteron which helps control ER⍺ activity at the receptor level. I will probably try to titrate to 10mg/day but cap it there, as more would probably surpass the ability of aromasin to control the estrogen even at 25mg/day. I raise it slowly, no more than 1-1.5mg/day for a week at a time.

Haven't had much luck with primo or EQ working in me as AI... I'm currently front loading boldenone cypionate this week - effect won't be any different than EQ, but the experiment will be far quicker at least. If I can find a dose that controls estrogen well, I'll tap into my EQ stash from OEP and run that during my winter lean bulk.

 

[Dial It In]

Wise to advance MENT doses slowly, doubling them like you say is an invitation to unwanted estrogenic effects - major water retention, high blood pressure, gyno, etc.

25mg/day MENT ~ 1gm test per week
50mg/day MENT ~ 2gm test per week

I don't think many would jump from 1gm > 2gm test per week... and those conversion values are very conservative, in the major pellet study just 1.6mg/day - which was the max studied dose - had more lean body mass gain compared with those on 200mg/wk test C, a fairly high TRT (if not bodybuilding) dose.

MENT is a strong progestin too, more so than tren, in bioassays it activates the PR about as much as progesterone itself. So anticipate issues from that as doses escalate.

I have slowly increased MENT up to 7.5mg/day and need a good bit of aromasin with that, even with low TRT test @ 12mg/day. And that's with some masteron which helps control ER⍺ activity at the receptor level. I will probably try to titrate to 10mg/day but cap it there, as more would probably surpass the ability of aromasin to control the estrogen even at 25mg/day. I raise it slowly, no more than 1-1.5mg/day for a week at a time.

Haven't had much luck with primo or EQ working in me as AI... I'm currently front loading boldenone cypionate this week - effect won't be any different than EQ, but the experiment will be far quicker at least. If I can find a dose that controls estrogen well, I'll tap into my EQ stash from OEP and run that during my winter lean bulk.

I’m going to try ment myself. I’m usually 400mg test cyp a week on a blast so I was thinking 10mg a day.

 

[OEP LABS]

Wise to advance MENT doses slowly, doubling them like you say is an invitation to unwanted estrogenic effects - major water retention, high blood pressure, gyno, etc.

25mg/day MENT ~ 1gm test per week
50mg/day MENT ~ 2gm test per week

I don't think many would jump from 1gm > 2gm test per week... and those conversion values are very conservative, in the major pellet study just 1.6mg/day - which was the max studied dose - had more lean body mass gain compared with those on 200mg/wk test C, a fairly high TRT (if not bodybuilding) dose.

MENT is a strong progestin too, more so than tren, in bioassays it activates the PR about as much as progesterone itself. So anticipate issues from that as doses escalate.

I have slowly increased MENT up to 7.5mg/day and need a good bit of aromasin with that, even with low TRT test @ 12mg/day. And that's with some masteron which helps control ER⍺ activity at the receptor level. I will probably try to titrate to 10mg/day but cap it there, as more would probably surpass the ability of aromasin to control the estrogen even at 25mg/day. I raise it slowly, no more than 1-1.5mg/day for a week at a time.

Haven't had much luck with primo or EQ working in me as AI... I'm currently front loading boldenone cypionate this week - effect won't be any different than EQ, but the experiment will be far quicker at least. If I can find a dose that controls estrogen well, I'll tap into my EQ stash from OEP and run that during my winter lean bulk.

There’s quite a few folks that are very knowledgeable on Ment this man here is definitely one of them.

During the time I used Ment I couldn’t compare to anything like an oral compound. However, we are different in how we react to these majical little molecular structures.

From my experience, what I remember the most, was the fullness but not bloat, the muscle bellies being full always. My friend was running it as well. his shoulders on it had this 3D effect. Needless to say when we ran out we were both a little sad days coming. Lol.

Definitely keep an AI near or a tamoxifen or ralox near deck wouldn’t hurt. Better to have than to not. I’m not 100% up To speed on combatting gyno right now, but back in my time that is what we used. Correct my advice if it is wrong no harm or foul. We are all here to help one another.

 

[Volmp9]

There’s quite a few folks that are very knowledgeable on Ment this man here is definitely one of them.

During the time I used Ment I couldn’t compare to anything like an oral compound. However, we are different in how we react to these majical little molecular structures.

From my experience, what I remember the most, was the fullness but not bloat, the muscle bellies being full always. My friend was running it as well. his shoulders on it had this 3D effect. Needless to say when we ran out we were both a little sad days coming. Lol.

Definitely keep an AI near or a tamoxifen or ralox near deck wouldn’t hurt. Better to have than to not. I’m not 100% up To speed on combatting gyno right now, but back in my time that is what we used. Correct my advice if it is wrong no harm or foul. We are all here to help one another.

Ralox is my preferred if I start feeling Gyno, used tamoxifen in the past as well but feel like ralox is more effective at reversing it

 

[Oldhand]

Wise to advance MENT doses slowly, doubling them like you say is an invitation to unwanted estrogenic effects - major water retention, high blood pressure, gyno, etc.

25mg/day MENT ~ 1gm test per week
50mg/day MENT ~ 2gm test per week.

Thank you for that scaling. Comparing ment to test like that makes it very easy to understand the potency.

I’m happy pinning ment at 25mg ED. I’ve been on this dose since 11/2 and it will be ran like this until 1/20. It’s given me a nice look at this dose with no sides. Have not needed an AI or caber.

I will keep your advice in mind if I ever decide to increase the dose- it will be minor increases. Again thank you.