new to anabolics

[Turbo1]

WHOA!!!!

I"m I really reading this??

 

[MACHI]

je61

A large exogenous test spike will cause your growth plates to harden prematurely. Your growth will be stunted and you'll be one small ass hockey player. You'll never go ANYWHERE in the future (regarding athletics) if you juice NOW. Like the other bros on here have said your body just isn't ready yet, plain and simple. Dont be fukin careless and stupid. just wait a few years

 

[je61]

mm thanx

can some1 please ansqwer my topic qustion tho, i wont juice till i am 18, i just want to get to no the shit really well, and ps. i think i am done growing .

 

[MaxRep]

First of all, everyone should realize this thread and the posts by je61 are a complete joke. I doubt je16 is really 16. Much more likely, it's just some ahole trying to push everyone's buttons and cause a big ruckus, and it looks like he's succeeded. His style reminds me of HUlk18. Remember the kid who claimed 20" arms at 175 pounds? I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same person. It's best to just ignore people like this.

Second, and the real reason for my post, there seems to be a misunderstanding as to why a person's growth is stunted by the use of steroids.

I see it's been said by some here that taking steroids will stunt a kids growth. That the sudden administration of exogenously administered test will cause a kids "growth plates to harden prematurely". I believe the epiphysial plate is being referred to here.

That's not actually what happens. It's actually estrogen, which causes a person's growth to stop. Of course, until a boy's body starts producing large enough amounts of Test, there's not much estrogen. But after a few years of large amounts of Test, from roughly 13 to 18, the continued resulting high amounts of estrogen are what actually cause the epiphysial plate to harden and prevent further longitudinal bone growth.

So, if a kid were to use things like nolvadex and/or letro or arimidex, minimizing estrogen, he could continue to grow. Put a 15 year old on steroids with anti-e's and watch him grow and grow.

Of course I'm not advocating this, just saying it could be done and it's the high amounts of estrogen resulting from steroids that has everybody mistakenly thinking steroids stunt a person's growth.

MaxRep

 

[MACHI]

Assumptions

First of all, everyone should realize this thread and the posts by je61 are a complete joke. I doubt je16 is really 16. Much more likely, it's just some ahole trying to push everyone's buttons and cause a big ruckus, and it looks like he's succeeded. His style reminds me of HUlk18. Remember the kid who claimed 20" arms at 175 pounds? I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same person. It's best to just ignore people like this.

Second, and the real reason for my post, there seems to be a misunderstanding as to why a person's growth is stunted by the use of steroids....."

MAX - For the reason stated in your first paragraph, I did not take the time to cite a study like....

"""""Published online before print May 29, 2001, 10.1073/pnas.121180498
Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2001 June 5; 98 (12): 68716876
DOI: 10.1073/pnas.121180498
Medical Sciences


Effects of estrogen on growth plate senescence and epiphyseal fusion
Martina Weise,* Stacy De-Levi, Kevin M. Barnes, Rachel I. Gafni, Veronica Abad, and Jeffrey Baron


In some mammals, including humans, the growth plate is resorbed at the time of sexual maturation. This process, epiphyseal fusion, terminates longitudinal bone growth. Estrogen is pivotal for epiphyseal fusion in both young men and women (10). This key role for estrogen was confirmed only recently with the recognition of two genetic disorders, estrogen deficiency due to mutations in the aromatase gene (11) and estrogen resistance due to mutations in the estrogen receptor-? gene (12). In both conditions, the growth plate fails to fuse and growth persists into adulthood. Conversely, premature estrogen exposure, e.g., precocious puberty, leads to premature epiphyseal fusion (13).

The mechanism by which estrogen promotes epiphyseal fusion is not known. Previous reports suggest that estrogen accelerates growth plate ossification by stimulating vascular and bone cell invasion of the growth plate cartilage, causing ossification to advance beyond the hypertrophic zone into the proliferative and resting zones (1416). This proposed mechanism of estrogen action would be expected to induce epiphyseal fusion promptly, a prediction that does not match clinical experience. Prompt fusion occurs only in estrogen-deficient adults treated with estrogen (10, 17, 18). In children, epiphyseal fusion occurs only after years of estrogen exposure. The accelerated ossification hypothesis does not readily explain this delayed action."""""




******* For the same reason people associate steroid use or (excess, obviously exogenous ,testosterone) with gyno, I thought it more convienent to associate with high test levels with stunted bone growth. *******

 

[MaxRep]

No problem Machi. I know you understand but many people think it is the steroid itself which stunts growth. The information you posted along with many recent studies show growth stops due to estrogen.

MaxRep

 

[finafreak]

No problem Machi. I know you understand but many people think it is the steroid itself which stunts growth. The information you posted along with many recent studies show growth stops due to estrogen.

MaxRep

Wow,.estrogen stunts the growth to kids now>?

fina

 

[MaxRep]

Wow,.estrogen stunts the growth to kids now>?

fina

Normal amounts of estrogen don't stunt growth. With normal, natural amounts of test and estrogen, people will usually grow to their full, natural height by about 18 years old.

But the process by which longitudinal bone growth stops, is the result of estrogen.

So, if someone doesn't have enough estrogen in their body for some reason, growth continues. OR, if higher than normal levels of test are in the body, causing higher than normal levels of estrogen, growth can stop prematurely. The extra estrogen converted from steroids is the real culprit behind the thinking that steroids stunt a person's growth.

MaxRep

 

[KOMT]

You'll shoot your eye out, officer.

 

[tHe_ShOcKeR]

You'll shoot your eye out, officer.

wtf?